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| 21. This is only news if you've never been poor. |
| -"Is it a crime now to be poor?" by Barbara Ehrenreich |
hfojvt |
Aug-23-09 04:43 PM |
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kick to the top |
spinbaby |
Aug-23-09 05:46 PM |
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This whole attitude towards the poor makes me sick! |
ananda |
Aug-23-09 05:49 PM |
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It's always been that way. Nothing new. Maybe you are just becoming more sensitive to it. |
bobbolink |
Aug-23-09 09:26 PM |
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Do you think it's getting worse? |
Cetacea |
Aug-24-09 08:05 AM |
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In the end, does it matter? It was ALWAYS a spirit-killer.... isn't that enough? |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 10:56 AM |
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However, there was a time (Back in fifties and sixties) when homelessness |
truedelphi |
Aug-24-09 02:40 PM |
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Your post about the 50 cent hotels is correct. The government |
JDPriestly |
Aug-24-09 06:21 PM |
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May as well make it official. |
kenny blankenship |
Aug-23-09 05:50 PM |
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They are the ones who are making.. |
butterfly77 |
Aug-24-09 01:54 PM |
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This part truly pissed me off. Hell Yeah, Lets make the poor feel like worthless Shit! |
BlueJazz |
Aug-23-09 05:52 PM |
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about the "job readiness classes" |
hfojvt |
Aug-23-09 06:52 PM |
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So much for the benefits of years and years and years of compulsory education. n/t |
Trillo |
Aug-23-09 07:38 PM |
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What many high schools don't do is to teach students how to actually get a job. |
Jkid |
Aug-24-09 12:11 AM |
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i subbed in some of those "job readiness courses". there may be some things of benefit |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-24-09 02:32 AM |
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PUNITIVE BULLSHIT |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:00 AM |
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Thanks for sharing this, Hannah. People need to wake up to this. |
JeffR |
Aug-24-09 12:19 PM |
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Please. Like you don't have to endure bullshit classes when you work for govt or Corporation? |
imdjh |
Aug-24-09 02:49 PM |
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Are you serious? |
imdjh |
Aug-24-09 02:44 PM |
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The "liberal" dems in DC are imposing Gingrich welfare package THIS YEAR. "Empathy Courses" needed? |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 02:55 PM |
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In short, why don't they just eliminate US, and be done with it. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 03:37 PM |
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Finally someone remembers where this bullshit came from in the first |
jwirr |
Aug-24-09 05:59 PM |
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I didn't know about this. Thank you for the heads up. n/t |
truedelphi |
Aug-25-09 09:52 AM |
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"Job readiness" courses are great as long as they're VOLUNTARY. |
Gormy Cuss |
Aug-24-09 03:26 PM |
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resume writing, that does sound like a waste of time |
hfojvt |
Aug-24-09 04:35 PM |
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I will double your f**k and raise you 100mil. ..if I had that kind of money. nt |
wroberts189 |
Aug-23-09 10:48 PM |
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K&R |
foxfeet |
Aug-23-09 06:08 PM |
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very good articles, and there's no easy answer |
FirstLight |
Aug-23-09 06:10 PM |
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empathy = useless too. jobs or guaranteed income would be more helpful. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-24-09 02:52 AM |
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"THE STIGMA OF POVERTY/FAIILURE IS DELIBERATE, SOCIALLY DESIGNED" |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:04 AM |
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There are LOTS of answers, and some of them, yes, are EASY. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:02 AM |
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knr |
wroberts189 |
Aug-23-09 06:13 PM |
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Excellent article |
malaise |
Aug-23-09 06:18 PM |
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Ehrenreich is one of the most important journalists of our time |
Time for change |
Aug-23-09 06:19 PM |
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The criminalization of poverty |
drmeow |
Aug-23-09 06:47 PM |
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The criminalization of poverty was one of the founding principles of our nation |
Chulanowa |
Aug-23-09 07:01 PM |
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I don't think that's true about the voting |
hfojvt |
Aug-23-09 07:15 PM |
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OK, I revise my post |
drmeow |
Aug-23-09 08:09 PM |
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Absolutely! The minorities in this country were the |
MadMaddie |
Aug-23-09 11:20 PM |
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I was kinda under the impression that it was ALWAYS illegal to be poor. |
Edweird |
Aug-23-09 06:52 PM |
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Yes, as opposed to the enlightened treatment of the poor in the rest of the Western world... |
Cessna Invesco Palin |
Aug-23-09 07:40 PM |
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You have it right. Read about the Ludlow Massacre, and other frivolities. |
bobbolink |
Aug-23-09 09:38 PM |
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"Debtors prison" used to be symbolic of everything wrong with 18th/19th century civilization |
Romulox |
Aug-24-09 11:03 AM |
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Well yes except there is no "now" involved |
tularetom |
Aug-23-09 06:55 PM |
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it is a crime to help the poor |
Usrename |
Aug-23-09 08:35 PM |
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Sickening. I've been hearing about this but the Denver quote is new. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 02:13 PM |
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This is only news if you've never been poor. |
LeftyMom |
Aug-23-09 09:27 PM |
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I've heard all of the RW talking points |
Third Doctor |
Aug-23-09 09:57 PM |
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"Why can't they work?" Why can't "progressives" even deal with this one? |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:12 AM |
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I've heard all of the "middle class progressive" talking points on poverty and they are sadly echoes |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 03:18 PM |
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goddess, i'm grateful there are some like you who are understanding this Superiority shit of |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 03:41 PM |
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That is really true. |
truedelphi |
Aug-26-09 01:02 PM |
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I think I will give this another kick. Lets start a war on poverty ! |
wroberts189 |
Aug-23-09 10:43 PM |
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Good luck on that "war on poverty" thing... there is NO INTEREST. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:15 AM |
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Shhh ..there is but big media is not telling us about the poor. |
wroberts189 |
Aug-24-09 12:02 PM |
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Fuck big media! Do you see these articles in The Nation? On Air America? |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 12:47 PM |
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once we are all fighting for the last of whats on the market shelves. |
wroberts189 |
Aug-24-09 02:47 PM |
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actually you do, although I am not sure how often |
hfojvt |
Aug-24-09 03:18 PM |
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thx..nt |
wroberts189 |
Aug-24-09 03:41 PM |
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Are you aware who instigated and coordinated that series of articles in January? |
bobbolink |
Aug-26-09 03:51 PM |
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k & r nt |
LWolf |
Aug-23-09 10:43 PM |
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We need a war on POVERTY, NOT the POOR. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-23-09 11:11 PM |
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Quite right. So, what is the first step? |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:16 AM |
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Good ol' Uhmerica. If you want success, you'd better have GOBS of cash. |
HughBeaumont |
Aug-23-09 11:55 PM |
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The entire series is worth the read |
Nikki Stone1 |
Aug-24-09 12:03 AM |
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K&R, yes. |
Greyhound |
Aug-24-09 02:26 AM |
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yes, it's a crime to be poor. |
Hannah Bell |
Aug-24-09 02:29 AM |
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All these so-called Christian conservatives out there ranting and raving against health reform ... |
gauguin57 |
Aug-24-09 02:41 AM |
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Of course, it's all the fault of your favorite whipping boys. We poor folk are soooo very glad |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:18 AM |
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Bobbo, don't worry I think most of the people on this thread, at least, agree. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 02:18 PM |
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Not to mention the utter lack of support for renovating (not tearing down) public housing. |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 02:26 PM |
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Much of the older public housing should be torn down. It's more economical than renovating it. |
Gormy Cuss |
Aug-24-09 03:50 PM |
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Yes, tear it all down and leave people homeless, then tell us it's our own fault we're homeless. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 04:51 PM |
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bobbolink, please read my post again. |
Gormy Cuss |
Aug-24-09 06:22 PM |
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And please read again what *I* said. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 06:39 PM |
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Sigh. |
Gormy Cuss |
Aug-24-09 07:08 PM |
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Your ideas are fine. What I'm saying is that it ain't happening. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 08:35 PM |
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Thanks for this! |
maryf |
Aug-24-09 07:07 AM |
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K&R |
dajoki |
Aug-24-09 07:17 AM |
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Another kick for the "under the bridge and tent city" people. nt. |
wroberts189 |
Aug-24-09 08:01 AM |
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"This one goes out to the bridge and tunnel crowd" |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 03:20 PM |
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Kick! |
smokey nj |
Aug-24-09 08:45 AM |
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I have always said that we should open the empty forcosed homes up.. |
Xenotime |
Aug-24-09 08:48 AM |
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Yes, Yes and Yes.... |
midnight |
Aug-24-09 12:27 PM |
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K & R! |
lonestarnot |
Aug-24-09 08:50 AM |
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Rec 49 |
Echo In Light |
Aug-24-09 10:57 AM |
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K/R. This healthcare bill is about criminalizing poverty, mandating participation "in the market". |
Romulox |
Aug-24-09 11:01 AM |
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Yep. Exactly. Ironically, they don't understand basic economic theory |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 03:01 PM |
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Kick |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Aug-24-09 11:02 AM |
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No, the prez isn't "engaged" and neither are our representatives, and neither is the "progressive |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:20 AM |
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+1 |
SammyWinstonJack |
Aug-24-09 11:25 AM |
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It's been a crime for the last 200 years n/t |
AlphaCentauri |
Aug-24-09 11:05 AM |
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Right on. So WHEN are you going to take it seriously, and TAKE ACTION? |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 11:21 AM |
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Doing it everyday, just don't tell me that if I care about the poor I have to give up |
AlphaCentauri |
Aug-24-09 08:16 PM |
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"Now"? As opposed to when? |
redqueen |
Aug-24-09 11:13 AM |
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Often a capital crime. n/t |
Orsino |
Aug-24-09 11:17 AM |
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Too many people in denial that it could happen to them |
treestar |
Aug-24-09 11:22 AM |
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Anyone who has ever been in the cycle knows the hell - been there - done that |
debbierlus |
Aug-24-09 11:35 AM |
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It was indeed criminalized during the Reagan era, quite purposely. |
DesertDiamond |
Aug-24-09 11:37 AM |
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Its ALWAYS been! Nothing New! |
elleng |
Aug-24-09 12:04 PM |
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It's all about protecting private property |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Aug-24-09 12:19 PM |
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Now more than ever, perhaps, but it's hardly new. |
JeffR |
Aug-24-09 12:23 PM |
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Poverty is an industry |
mntleo2 |
Aug-24-09 12:23 PM |
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Thanks for this post. |
redqueen |
Aug-24-09 12:26 PM |
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You see, THESE are the facts that need to be published, spoken of on Air America, etc. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 03:50 PM |
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I know why they don't write about "welfare pimps" |
mntleo2 |
Aug-24-09 05:38 PM |
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Would you be willing/able to write an article about this? |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 06:31 PM |
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lol our "advocates" would freak but |
mntleo2 |
Aug-26-09 01:53 PM |
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Yes, it is INDEED time to RUMBLE! The "progressive" media won't hear us, Air America shuts us off |
bobbolink |
Aug-26-09 03:32 PM |
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Poverty is institutionalized, many don't get that |
mntleo2 |
Aug-24-09 06:17 PM |
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That was EXACTLY what was said to me just this morning! |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 06:35 PM |
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Thank you for your post. |
truedelphi |
Aug-26-09 01:11 PM |
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Two words: Debtor's Prison |
theaocp |
Aug-24-09 01:19 PM |
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You people aren't thinking right. |
Jackpine Radical |
Aug-24-09 02:10 PM |
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It certainly works for mandatory health insurance coverage and irresponsible phone conversations |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 02:45 PM |
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Yeah, I'm getting on your page. |
truedelphi |
Aug-26-09 01:05 PM |
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+1. n/t |
truedelphi |
Aug-24-09 02:46 PM |
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No crime is greater than poverty |
greengestalt |
Aug-24-09 02:12 PM |
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My story- |
asdjrocky |
Aug-24-09 02:18 PM |
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It's always been a "crime" to be poor. |
SoCalDem |
Aug-24-09 02:21 PM |
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Bobbo sent me the following article excerpt. Read it and weep: |
Leopolds Ghost |
Aug-24-09 02:36 PM |
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That is truly disturbing. n/t |
truedelphi |
Aug-24-09 02:45 PM |
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This deserves its own OP (nt) |
Krakowiak |
Aug-25-09 02:57 PM |
#125 |
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When was it not a crime to be poor? |
Gormy Cuss |
Aug-24-09 02:48 PM |
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Imagine if we weren't a Christian nation! |
WinkyDink |
Aug-24-09 02:54 PM |
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Yes indeed, since churches are the ONLY source of charity. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 03:45 PM |
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Examples abound of the B.S. that honest, law abiding citizens have to |
change_notfinetuning |
Aug-24-09 03:42 PM |
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I want to scream when I see the police tearing down tent cities.... |
winyanstaz |
Aug-24-09 05:45 PM |
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Why don't you? Silence is acquiescence. |
bobbolink |
Aug-24-09 06:49 PM |
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I am sorry you somehow read that I want the old and sick to have to work.... |
winyanstaz |
Aug-25-09 02:05 AM |
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You apparently missed what I said FIRST. You might want to go back and check on that. |
bobbolink |
Aug-25-09 02:22 PM |
#124 |
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It's always been a crime to be poor. |
Cleita |
Aug-24-09 06:22 PM |
#114 |
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