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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:40 PM
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17. Yes, as opposed to the enlightened treatment of the poor in the rest of the Western world...
...at that time. :eyes:
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  -"Is it a crime now to be poor?" by Barbara Ehrenreich hfojvt  Aug-23-09 04:43 PM   #0 
  - kick to the top  spinbaby   Aug-23-09 05:46 PM   #1 
  - This whole attitude towards the poor makes me sick!  ananda   Aug-23-09 05:49 PM   #2 
  - It's always been that way. Nothing new. Maybe you are just becoming more sensitive to it.  bobbolink   Aug-23-09 09:26 PM   #20 
     - Do you think it's getting worse?  Cetacea   Aug-24-09 08:05 AM   #40 
        - In the end, does it matter? It was ALWAYS a spirit-killer.... isn't that enough?  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 10:56 AM   #44 
           - However, there was a time (Back in fifties and sixties) when homelessness  truedelphi   Aug-24-09 02:40 PM   #84 
              - Your post about the 50 cent hotels is correct. The government  JDPriestly   Aug-24-09 06:21 PM   #112 
  - May as well make it official.  kenny blankenship   Aug-23-09 05:50 PM   #3 
  - They are the ones who are making..  butterfly77   Aug-24-09 01:54 PM   #75 
  - This part truly pissed me off. Hell Yeah, Lets make the poor feel like worthless Shit!  BlueJazz   Aug-23-09 05:52 PM   #4 
  - about the "job readiness classes"  hfojvt   Aug-23-09 06:52 PM   #11 
  - So much for the benefits of years and years and years of compulsory education. n/t  Trillo   Aug-23-09 07:38 PM   #16 
  - What many high schools don't do is to teach students how to actually get a job.  Jkid   Aug-24-09 12:11 AM   #31 
  - i subbed in some of those "job readiness courses". there may be some things of benefit  Hannah Bell   Aug-24-09 02:32 AM   #34 
     - PUNITIVE BULLSHIT  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:00 AM   #46 
     - Thanks for sharing this, Hannah. People need to wake up to this.  JeffR   Aug-24-09 12:19 PM   #67 
     - Please. Like you don't have to endure bullshit classes when you work for govt or Corporation?  imdjh   Aug-24-09 02:49 PM   #91 
     - Are you serious?  imdjh   Aug-24-09 02:44 PM   #85 
     - The "liberal" dems in DC are imposing Gingrich welfare package THIS YEAR. "Empathy Courses" needed?  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 02:55 PM   #93 
     - In short, why don't they just eliminate US, and be done with it.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 03:37 PM   #99 
     - Finally someone remembers where this bullshit came from in the first  jwirr   Aug-24-09 05:59 PM   #110 
     - I didn't know about this. Thank you for the heads up. n/t  truedelphi   Aug-25-09 09:52 AM   #123 
     - "Job readiness" courses are great as long as they're VOLUNTARY.  Gormy Cuss   Aug-24-09 03:26 PM   #98 
     - resume writing, that does sound like a waste of time  hfojvt   Aug-24-09 04:35 PM   #106 
  - I will double your f**k and raise you 100mil. ..if I had that kind of money. nt  wroberts189   Aug-23-09 10:48 PM   #26 
  - K&R  foxfeet   Aug-23-09 06:08 PM   #5 
  - very good articles, and there's no easy answer  FirstLight   Aug-23-09 06:10 PM   #6 
  - empathy = useless too. jobs or guaranteed income would be more helpful.  Hannah Bell   Aug-24-09 02:52 AM   #36 
  - "THE STIGMA OF POVERTY/FAIILURE IS DELIBERATE, SOCIALLY DESIGNED"  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:04 AM   #51 
  - There are LOTS of answers, and some of them, yes, are EASY.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:02 AM   #48 
  - knr  wroberts189   Aug-23-09 06:13 PM   #7 
  - Excellent article  malaise   Aug-23-09 06:18 PM   #8 
  - Ehrenreich is one of the most important journalists of our time  Time for change   Aug-23-09 06:19 PM   #9 
  - The criminalization of poverty  drmeow   Aug-23-09 06:47 PM   #10 
  - The criminalization of poverty was one of the founding principles of our nation  Chulanowa   Aug-23-09 07:01 PM   #14 
  - I don't think that's true about the voting  hfojvt   Aug-23-09 07:15 PM   #15 
  - OK, I revise my post  drmeow   Aug-23-09 08:09 PM   #18 
  - Absolutely! The minorities in this country were the  MadMaddie   Aug-23-09 11:20 PM   #28 
  - I was kinda under the impression that it was ALWAYS illegal to be poor.  Edweird   Aug-23-09 06:52 PM   #12 
  - Yes, as opposed to the enlightened treatment of the poor in the rest of the Western world...  Cessna Invesco Palin   Aug-23-09 07:40 PM   #17 
  - You have it right. Read about the Ludlow Massacre, and other frivolities.  bobbolink   Aug-23-09 09:38 PM   #22 
  - "Debtors prison" used to be symbolic of everything wrong with 18th/19th century civilization  Romulox   Aug-24-09 11:03 AM   #50 
  - Well yes except there is no "now" involved  tularetom   Aug-23-09 06:55 PM   #13 
  - it is a crime to help the poor  Usrename   Aug-23-09 08:35 PM   #19 
  - Sickening. I've been hearing about this but the Denver quote is new.  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 02:13 PM   #78 
  - This is only news if you've never been poor.  LeftyMom   Aug-23-09 09:27 PM   #21 
  - I've heard all of the RW talking points  Third Doctor   Aug-23-09 09:57 PM   #23 
  - "Why can't they work?" Why can't "progressives" even deal with this one?  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:12 AM   #53 
  - I've heard all of the "middle class progressive" talking points on poverty and they are sadly echoes  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 03:18 PM   #95 
     - goddess, i'm grateful there are some like you who are understanding this Superiority shit of  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 03:41 PM   #101 
        - That is really true.  truedelphi   Aug-26-09 01:02 PM   #126 
  - I think I will give this another kick. Lets start a war on poverty !  wroberts189   Aug-23-09 10:43 PM   #24 
  - Good luck on that "war on poverty" thing... there is NO INTEREST.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:15 AM   #55 
     - Shhh ..there is but big media is not telling us about the poor.  wroberts189   Aug-24-09 12:02 PM   #65 
        - Fuck big media! Do you see these articles in The Nation? On Air America?  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 12:47 PM   #73 
           - once we are all fighting for the last of whats on the market shelves.  wroberts189   Aug-24-09 02:47 PM   #89 
           - actually you do, although I am not sure how often  hfojvt   Aug-24-09 03:18 PM   #96 
              - thx..nt  wroberts189   Aug-24-09 03:41 PM   #100 
              - Are you aware who instigated and coordinated that series of articles in January?  bobbolink   Aug-26-09 03:51 PM   #131 
  - k & r nt  LWolf   Aug-23-09 10:43 PM   #25 
  - We need a war on POVERTY, NOT the POOR.  Odin2005   Aug-23-09 11:11 PM   #27 
  - Quite right. So, what is the first step?  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:16 AM   #56 
  - Good ol' Uhmerica. If you want success, you'd better have GOBS of cash.  HughBeaumont   Aug-23-09 11:55 PM   #29 
  - The entire series is worth the read  Nikki Stone1   Aug-24-09 12:03 AM   #30 
  - K&R, yes.  Greyhound   Aug-24-09 02:26 AM   #32 
  - yes, it's a crime to be poor.  Hannah Bell   Aug-24-09 02:29 AM   #33 
  - All these so-called Christian conservatives out there ranting and raving against health reform ...  gauguin57   Aug-24-09 02:41 AM   #35 
  - Of course, it's all the fault of your favorite whipping boys. We poor folk are soooo very glad  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:18 AM   #58 
     - Bobbo, don't worry I think most of the people on this thread, at least, agree.  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 02:18 PM   #80 
        - Not to mention the utter lack of support for renovating (not tearing down) public housing.  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 02:26 PM   #82 
           - Much of the older public housing should be torn down. It's more economical than renovating it.  Gormy Cuss   Aug-24-09 03:50 PM   #104 
              - Yes, tear it all down and leave people homeless, then tell us it's our own fault we're homeless.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 04:51 PM   #107 
                 - bobbolink, please read my post again.  Gormy Cuss   Aug-24-09 06:22 PM   #113 
                    - And please read again what *I* said.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 06:39 PM   #117 
                       - Sigh.  Gormy Cuss   Aug-24-09 07:08 PM   #119 
                          - Your ideas are fine. What I'm saying is that it ain't happening.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 08:35 PM   #121 
  - Thanks for this!  maryf   Aug-24-09 07:07 AM   #37 
  - K&R  dajoki   Aug-24-09 07:17 AM   #38 
  - Another kick for the "under the bridge and tent city" people. nt.  wroberts189   Aug-24-09 08:01 AM   #39 
  - "This one goes out to the bridge and tunnel crowd"  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 03:20 PM   #97 
  - Kick!  smokey nj   Aug-24-09 08:45 AM   #41 
  - I have always said that we should open the empty forcosed homes up..  Xenotime   Aug-24-09 08:48 AM   #42 
  - Yes, Yes and Yes....  midnight   Aug-24-09 12:27 PM   #72 
  - K & R!  lonestarnot   Aug-24-09 08:50 AM   #43 
  - Rec 49  Echo In Light   Aug-24-09 10:57 AM   #45 
  - K/R. This healthcare bill is about criminalizing poverty, mandating participation "in the market".  Romulox   Aug-24-09 11:01 AM   #47 
  - Yep. Exactly. Ironically, they don't understand basic economic theory  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 03:01 PM   #94 
  - Kick  Orwellian_Ghost   Aug-24-09 11:02 AM   #49 
  - No, the prez isn't "engaged" and neither are our representatives, and neither is the "progressive  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:20 AM   #59 
  - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Aug-24-09 11:25 AM   #62 
  - It's been a crime for the last 200 years n/t  AlphaCentauri   Aug-24-09 11:05 AM   #52 
  - Right on. So WHEN are you going to take it seriously, and TAKE ACTION?  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 11:21 AM   #60 
     - Doing it everyday, just don't tell me that if I care about the poor I have to give up  AlphaCentauri   Aug-24-09 08:16 PM   #120 
  - "Now"? As opposed to when?  redqueen   Aug-24-09 11:13 AM   #54 
  - Often a capital crime. n/t  Orsino   Aug-24-09 11:17 AM   #57 
  - Too many people in denial that it could happen to them  treestar   Aug-24-09 11:22 AM   #61 
  - Anyone who has ever been in the cycle knows the hell - been there - done that  debbierlus   Aug-24-09 11:35 AM   #63 
  - It was indeed criminalized during the Reagan era, quite purposely.  DesertDiamond   Aug-24-09 11:37 AM   #64 
  - Its ALWAYS been! Nothing New!  elleng   Aug-24-09 12:04 PM   #66 
  - It's all about protecting private property  Orwellian_Ghost   Aug-24-09 12:19 PM   #68 
  - Now more than ever, perhaps, but it's hardly new.  JeffR   Aug-24-09 12:23 PM   #69 
  - Poverty is an industry  mntleo2   Aug-24-09 12:23 PM   #70 
  - Thanks for this post.  redqueen   Aug-24-09 12:26 PM   #71 
  - You see, THESE are the facts that need to be published, spoken of on Air America, etc.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 03:50 PM   #105 
     - I know why they don't write about "welfare pimps"  mntleo2   Aug-24-09 05:38 PM   #108 
     - Would you be willing/able to write an article about this?  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 06:31 PM   #115 
        - lol our "advocates" would freak but  mntleo2   Aug-26-09 01:53 PM   #129 
           - Yes, it is INDEED time to RUMBLE! The "progressive" media won't hear us, Air America shuts us off  bobbolink   Aug-26-09 03:32 PM   #130 
     - Poverty is institutionalized, many don't get that  mntleo2   Aug-24-09 06:17 PM   #111 
        - That was EXACTLY what was said to me just this morning!  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 06:35 PM   #116 
        - Thank you for your post.  truedelphi   Aug-26-09 01:11 PM   #128 
  - Two words: Debtor's Prison  theaocp   Aug-24-09 01:19 PM   #74 
  - You people aren't thinking right.  Jackpine Radical   Aug-24-09 02:10 PM   #76 
  - It certainly works for mandatory health insurance coverage and irresponsible phone conversations  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 02:45 PM   #86 
  - Yeah, I'm getting on your page.  truedelphi   Aug-26-09 01:05 PM   #127 
  - +1. n/t  truedelphi   Aug-24-09 02:46 PM   #88 
  - No crime is greater than poverty  greengestalt   Aug-24-09 02:12 PM   #77 
  - My story-  asdjrocky   Aug-24-09 02:18 PM   #79 
  - It's always been a "crime" to be poor.  SoCalDem   Aug-24-09 02:21 PM   #81 
  - Bobbo sent me the following article excerpt. Read it and weep:  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-24-09 02:36 PM   #83 
  - That is truly disturbing. n/t  truedelphi   Aug-24-09 02:45 PM   #87 
  - This deserves its own OP (nt)  Krakowiak   Aug-25-09 02:57 PM   #125 
  - When was it not a crime to be poor?  Gormy Cuss   Aug-24-09 02:48 PM   #90 
  - Imagine if we weren't a Christian nation!  WinkyDink   Aug-24-09 02:54 PM   #92 
  - Yes indeed, since churches are the ONLY source of charity.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 03:45 PM   #103 
  - Examples abound of the B.S. that honest, law abiding citizens have to  change_notfinetuning   Aug-24-09 03:42 PM   #102 
  - I want to scream when I see the police tearing down tent cities....  winyanstaz   Aug-24-09 05:45 PM   #109 
  - Why don't you? Silence is acquiescence.  bobbolink   Aug-24-09 06:49 PM   #118 
     - I am sorry you somehow read that I want the old and sick to have to work....  winyanstaz   Aug-25-09 02:05 AM   #122 
        - You apparently missed what I said FIRST. You might want to go back and check on that.  bobbolink   Aug-25-09 02:22 PM   #124 
  - It's always been a crime to be poor.  Cleita   Aug-24-09 06:22 PM   #114 
 

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