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119. ... only a few "bad apples," like with the Abu Graib farce.
The real "bad apples" are at the top of the tree.

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  -Is Obama on the verge of committing impeachable offenses by not prosecuting the tyranny of Bushco? Union Yes  Aug-23-09 12:10 PM   #0 
  - I voted No. First of all, I was never deluded into thinking  JeanGrey   Aug-23-09 12:14 PM   #1 
  - Not investigating torture is a crime. The only question really  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 12:23 PM   #6 
  - Good luck prosecuting Obama for this "crime".  JeanGrey   Aug-23-09 12:25 PM   #8 
     - The torture convention has a mandate and a time sensitive one.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 12:38 PM   #23 
        - Look, Obama is still doing what Bush did. There are still  JeanGrey   Aug-23-09 09:29 PM   #104 
           - Right. And that's different than dismissing out of hand  EFerrari   Aug-24-09 03:35 AM   #112 
  - Purposely failing to prosecute high crimes is a violation of Presidential Oath of Office.  Union Yes   Aug-23-09 12:24 PM   #7 
  - Well then are you prepared to launch a movement to  JeanGrey   Aug-23-09 12:26 PM   #10 
  - "failing to prosecute high crimes" Here is the only mention of "high crimes" in the Constitution:  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-23-09 02:07 PM   #50 
  - I agree with you. It was never going to happen, not with any of our Dems, even DK.  Maru Kitteh   Aug-23-09 04:05 PM   #63 
  - Exactly. I was quite frankly, surprised at those that  JeanGrey   Aug-23-09 09:30 PM   #105 
  - Why do we have laws, then?  sabrina 1   Aug-24-09 02:02 PM   #133 
  - You forgot one: No one actually in authority gives a crap.  Ladyhawk   Aug-23-09 12:14 PM   #2 
  - No, but he better be mindful of war crimes charges for the Pakistan incursion and bombings.  timeforpeace   Aug-23-09 04:01 PM   #62 
  - Who would do this?  DrZeeLit   Aug-23-09 12:20 PM   #3 
  - Very, very well put. My sentiments, exactly.  JeanGrey   Aug-23-09 12:26 PM   #11 
  - As much as we'd all love to see Bush in jail, it's never ever going to happen.  Curtland1015   Aug-23-09 12:22 PM   #4 
  - Do you want him impeached? Then why start this poll?  NoSheep   Aug-23-09 12:23 PM   #5 
  - At some point if he doesn't prosecute, YES.  Union Yes   Aug-23-09 12:26 PM   #9 
     - It isn't going to happen.  JeanGrey   Aug-23-09 12:28 PM   #13 
     - Presidents don't prosecute.  NoSheep   Aug-23-09 12:30 PM   #16 
     - Don't you know? Everything bad that happens in this country is Obama's fault.  Curtland1015   Aug-23-09 12:32 PM   #17 
     - Best of luck to us, huh?  NoSheep   Aug-23-09 12:32 PM   #19 
     - He is obligated to investigate torture, yes.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 12:49 PM   #26 
     - Then prepare to be banned from this site.  geek tragedy   Aug-23-09 04:27 PM   #70 
     - And here is the key difference between Republicans and Democrats folks...  SidneyCarton   Aug-24-09 01:40 PM   #131 
  - Other  Ohio Joe   Aug-23-09 12:26 PM   #12 
  - Oath of Office.  Union Yes   Aug-23-09 12:29 PM   #14 
  - None of that says perform prosecutions  Ohio Joe   Aug-23-09 12:38 PM   #21 
  - Yes, under the Geneva torture convention. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 12:40 PM   #24 
     - Where?  Ohio Joe   Aug-23-09 12:45 PM   #25 
        - Not impeachment but the convention is written so as to criminalize  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 12:56 PM   #29 
           - And I agree completely with that...  Ohio Joe   Aug-23-09 01:23 PM   #38 
           - Impeachment aside, I believe that under Geneva, the president  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 01:34 PM   #41 
              - Perhaps...  Ohio Joe   Aug-23-09 02:07 PM   #51 
              - Oh, I agree that the right wing would have a field day.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 04:57 PM   #78 
              - The War Crimes Act of 1996  G_j   Aug-23-09 10:35 PM   #110 
           - Nadler is a good Congressman, but he's just legally wrong  HamdenRice   Aug-23-09 02:06 PM   #49 
              - The mandate is to investigate and no, I"m not misunderstanding anything. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 03:29 PM   #58 
  - and what if the next Prez doesnt prosecute Obama for not prosecuting Bush?  NightWatcher   Aug-23-09 12:29 PM   #15 
  - Then she wil be in violation of her Oath of Office as well.  Union Yes   Aug-23-09 12:36 PM   #20 
  - God do we have to sit through MORE ignorance about impeachment?  Richardo   Aug-23-09 12:32 PM   #18 
  - Explain your accusation of ignorance, I'm quite well informed.  Union Yes   Aug-23-09 12:38 PM   #22 
  - You can start with what the impeachable crime is... and the evidence for that crime  Richardo   Aug-23-09 01:06 PM   #35 
     - The rule of law, a little leftist fantasy.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 01:14 PM   #36 
        - "The Rule of Law" The last vestige of those with no real criminal evidence  Richardo   Aug-23-09 01:28 PM   #39 
        - More than one person has already pointed out that Obama is in violation.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 01:37 PM   #43 
           - You don't seem to know what the law is. That's the problem.  HamdenRice   Aug-23-09 02:15 PM   #53 
              - I think I side with Turley, Nadler and Nowak and not you. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 03:35 PM   #59 
        - Cute.  SidneyCarton   Aug-24-09 01:43 PM   #132 
  - The impeachnuts are out for blood and they don't care shose  geek tragedy   Aug-23-09 04:21 PM   #66 
  - Move on (eom).  Brooklyns_Finest   Aug-23-09 12:54 PM   #27 
  - Are you serious?  Political Heretic   Aug-23-09 08:11 PM   #98 
  - When do you?  thisisenuff   Aug-23-09 12:54 PM   #28 
  - I have  Libertas1776   Aug-23-09 12:57 PM   #30 
  - Disappointing? Yes. Impeachable? Why take down a Dem President.  Jennicut   Aug-23-09 12:59 PM   #31 
  - It's the law. Forgetting impeachment, it's not only disappointing  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 01:02 PM   #32 
     - It is NOT the law, contrary to what impeachnuts say.  geek tragedy   Aug-23-09 04:24 PM   #69 
        - Read the thread. It's one thing to oppose impeachment.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 04:47 PM   #75 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-23-09 01:02 PM   #33 
  - With the time and the resources, we can either clean up the Bush mess or prosecute.  Kerrytravelers   Aug-23-09 01:02 PM   #34 
  - It is an impeachable offense, but one I doubt the GOPers would use  MasonJar   Aug-23-09 01:16 PM   #37 
  - Other. I agree with Rep. Nadler on this issue  IndianaGreen   Aug-23-09 01:30 PM   #40 
  - Aw Jeez, not this ignorant rubbish again  HamdenRice   Aug-23-09 01:36 PM   #42 
  - The president is obligated to order the Attorney General to investigate.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 01:40 PM   #44 
  - No he isn't. You are just plain wrong on the law. Period.  HamdenRice   Aug-23-09 01:43 PM   #46 
     - Investigate, not prosecute, and the UN Special Rapporteur disagrees with you.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 01:50 PM   #48 
        - Wrong. Please name the provision of the UN Convention against Torture that requires investigation  HamdenRice   Aug-23-09 02:12 PM   #52 
           - Third Geneva Convention deals with torture, and presumably, these articles:  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 03:20 PM   #55 
              - Cut the Gordian Knot. The AG does not deal with impeachments. nt.  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 05:01 PM   #81 
              - I wasn't addressing impeachment but the mandate to investigate.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 05:04 PM   #83 
                 - I thought the point was taking Obama to task? The OP asked about impeachment, not  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 05:08 PM   #84 
                    - The underlying question is, is Obama mandated to investigate.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 05:20 PM   #87 
                       - Oh I see. I thought you meant the AG was required to investigate.  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 05:22 PM   #88 
                       - Or for not being able to bowl a 100.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 05:26 PM   #90 
                          - Zactly. nt.  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 05:27 PM   #91 
                       - Bullshit. See multiple posts proving you wrong. nt  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 07:38 AM   #127 
              - I notice HR hasn't be back after you dumped actual facts on him.  Political Heretic   Aug-23-09 08:14 PM   #99 
              - Maybe he's walking his pony.  EFerrari   Aug-24-09 03:31 AM   #111 
              - Actually, you misread it so badly, it's hard to know where to begin  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 05:40 AM   #113 
                 - LOL  EFerrari   Aug-24-09 05:53 AM   #117 
                    - Can't answer?  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 06:19 AM   #120 
  - A voice of reason.  SeattleGirl   Aug-23-09 01:40 PM   #45 
  - Obama must pursue known torturers  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 03:46 PM   #61 
     - What utter bullshit. Please provide an example of a prosecution for failure to prosecute  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 05:47 AM   #114 
        - The letter was written by a prosecutor of war crimes in Rwanda.  EFerrari   Aug-24-09 05:52 AM   #116 
           - Did you even read the letter you are citing? Can you understand it? Let's look at the text:  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 06:25 AM   #121 
              - LOL  EFerrari   Aug-24-09 07:32 AM   #125 
                 - LOL is your "answer" when you are proved absolutely wrong. DemocracyNow reports issue is moot  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 07:37 AM   #126 
  - Impeached or prosecuted?  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 05:00 PM   #80 
  - 3 arms of the government???  CitizenPatriot   Aug-23-09 01:46 PM   #47 
  - I'm waiting for someone to post the specific passage from whatever law, convention, or treaty under  cherokeeprogressive   Aug-23-09 02:26 PM   #54 
  - See #55. The thing is, there is more than one way to get to the same place.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 03:22 PM   #56 
  - A "high crime" or "misdemeanor" is whatever the House says it is.  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 04:07 PM   #64 
  - That's because it doesn't exist. nt  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 06:33 AM   #123 
  - That's the "Catch 22"!  DailyGrind51   Aug-23-09 03:25 PM   #57 
  - KATRINA should be on that list n/t  lies and propaganda   Aug-23-09 03:38 PM   #60 
  - Not an impeachable offense, not a crime.  geek tragedy   Aug-23-09 04:19 PM   #65 
  - Not an impeachable offense? Calling others ignorant of the law in that context  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 04:22 PM   #67 
  - 100% true. Lots of nutjobs who preach about the  geek tragedy   Aug-23-09 04:29 PM   #71 
     - I was referring to your comment as unwise. What is a "high crime" or "misdemeanor"  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 04:33 PM   #72 
     - By your definition, Bush committed no impeachable offenses. nt  geek tragedy   Aug-23-09 04:42 PM   #74 
        - No. Just as any criminal still committed the crime beyond the statute of limitations.  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 04:57 PM   #77 
     - Right. Nutjobs like John Dean.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 05:02 PM   #82 
        - Dean's main qualification when discussing criminal law is the fact  geek tragedy   Aug-23-09 08:04 PM   #96 
           - You must be kidding. He's the reason Nixon was forced to resign.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 09:42 PM   #106 
  - Here you go:  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 04:23 PM   #68 
     - 0.  geek tragedy   Aug-23-09 04:40 PM   #73 
        - I think I'll still go with international experts like this prosecutor,  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 04:51 PM   #76 
           - You need to go no further than Article 2, Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution. nt.  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 04:58 PM   #79 
              - This is Scot Horton on why Holder may appoint a special prosecutor:  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 05:17 PM   #85 
                 - I think the United Nations Convention against Torture would run up against the Constitution and  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 05:18 PM   #86 
                 - There is also the War Crimes Act to consider.  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 05:25 PM   #89 
                    - He's probably obligated to investigate under international law but, psh, what is that?  Hosnon   Aug-23-09 05:29 PM   #92 
                 - You are misreading the UN Convention completely  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 06:00 AM   #118 
  - Some things to think about... WHO are the torturers in all of these legal scenarios?  Curtland1015   Aug-23-09 05:40 PM   #93 
  - There's all kinds of evidence from video tape to memos to witnesses  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 05:44 PM   #94 
  - The President doesn't issue indictments. The Justice Department does that  Freddie Stubbs   Aug-23-09 06:03 PM   #95 
  - It doesn't matter, the moment you use the word "impeachment" - dialog here shuts down.  Political Heretic   Aug-23-09 08:10 PM   #97 
  - No.  H2O Man   Aug-23-09 08:15 PM   #100 
  - No. And who would do this impeaching of Obama for  subcomhd   Aug-23-09 08:29 PM   #101 
  - We're going to impeach Obama over Bush/Cheney's crimes?  Stephanie   Aug-23-09 08:32 PM   #102 
  - I really don't think the OP meant to attack Obama  EFerrari   Aug-23-09 09:53 PM   #108 
  - In a perfect world, the obvious answer is yes. But this isn't a perfect world.  armyowalgreens   Aug-23-09 08:33 PM   #103 
  - Forget the Constitution, everybody else has.  mmonk   Aug-23-09 09:45 PM   #107 
  - wow, the poll results certainly aren't consistent with the rec-unrec status on the OP  flakban   Aug-23-09 09:54 PM   #109 
  - The OPer split the No vote 3 ways. More people voted No than Yes  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 06:31 AM   #122 
     - Here's how I see it...  flakban   Aug-24-09 01:35 PM   #128 
  - Errr... Huffington Post is reporting that the Justice department *WILL* probably pursue  Liberal_Stalwart71   Aug-24-09 05:49 AM   #115 
  - ... only a few "bad apples," like with the Abu Graib farce.  Senator   Aug-24-09 06:08 AM   #119 
  - Nice splitting of the no votes  WeDidIt   Aug-24-09 06:42 AM   #124 
  - Other.  SidneyCarton   Aug-24-09 01:36 PM   #129 
  - So we are going to impeach Obama for not investigating  walldude   Aug-24-09 01:40 PM   #130 
  - ROFLMAO!! OK So what's the Official Obama-haters, PUMA, Trotskyite Mob, Day 1 Impeachers excuse now?  HamdenRice   Aug-24-09 02:12 PM   #134 

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