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hansberrym Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:34 AM
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21. Is it really a surprise that in a gov power vs. individual liberty contest, liberty loses?
The larger problem (from the POV of someone not ill and not needing or wanting to use pot) is that we are losing the war against the growing police state. The sphere of Government power continues to expand while the sphere of individual freedom is contracted.
Here is a link to the WIKI short version, it gives the main points and how the individual justices ruled.

This case demonstrates that tyranny is an equal opportunity thing. The lust for power knows no bounds, it is not limited to any particular sex, age, race, or religion.

The most "liberal" members were by far the most disappointing.

Scalia tried to cover his ass in siding with power hungry.

O'Connor and Rehnquist come off looking like humble servants of the people compared to the power mad majority, and Thomas's dissent was what one might hope for from a truly "liberal" justice.
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  -Reuters: Pot Kills Cancer But Dont Even Think About Using It! defendandprotect  Aug-23-09 12:59 AM   #0 
  - Profits over freedom and life. How despicable some of our laws are.  Xicano   Aug-23-09 01:19 AM   #1 
  - Cannabis is such an amazing plant..  Webster Green   Aug-23-09 04:40 AM   #2 
  - Mostly, rich, white, heterosexual, christian-but-banging- a-chick-on-the-side  RadiationTherapy   Aug-23-09 06:36 AM   #3 
     - Mostly uneducated, misinformed, unintelligent  mwb970   Aug-23-09 06:55 AM   #4 
     - Have you read Conzales v. Raich? You might be surprised.  hansberrym   Aug-23-09 09:13 AM   #18 
        - Ugh. Thanks for the info.  RadiationTherapy   Aug-23-09 10:02 AM   #25 
  - posts like this are hilarious. if y'all want to get high then do that.  1   Aug-23-09 07:02 AM   #5 
  - Bzzzzzzt! Booorrrrriiinng.  RadiationTherapy   Aug-23-09 07:23 AM   #6 
  - smoke yourself into a stupor, friend. enjoy yourself...  1   Aug-23-09 07:37 AM   #7 
     - For the flatulent flat-earthers who foul our forum, this one's for YOU. (Tashkin study -- 2006)  Fly by night   Aug-23-09 07:59 AM   #8 
     - what the fuck does that have to do with the original article or what we were talking about?  1   Aug-23-09 08:07 AM   #9 
        - You criticized the OP for methodological problems. I posted a large-scale case-control study ...  Fly by night   Aug-23-09 08:16 AM   #10 
           - Your post is about pot NOT causing cancer. It has no relevance to this discussion  KittyWampus   Aug-23-09 08:22 AM   #12 
           - Trix are for kids. The "ignore" button is for ignoramuses.  Fly by night   Aug-23-09 08:32 AM   #14 
           - dude... you are high...  1   Aug-23-09 08:33 AM   #15 
           - Trace chemicals?? How about THC? Is that a "trace chemical" of marijuana?  Ghost in the Machine   Aug-23-09 10:01 AM   #24 
           - apples and bowling balls...  1   Aug-23-09 08:30 AM   #13 
              - 'i love dopers. y'all make no sense...'  Seldona   Aug-23-09 11:39 AM   #28 
              - "your lungs are up here... and your prostate is down there"  SOS   Aug-23-09 02:19 PM   #32 
              - You sound like a brainwashed fucking idiot.  Webster Green   Aug-23-09 05:00 PM   #35 
              - If you're an example of straight people no wonder so many smoke.  Forkboy   Aug-23-09 05:48 PM   #40 
     - Hmm.  moriah   Aug-23-09 09:04 AM   #17 
     - well, if you actually read the article in the op...  1   Aug-23-09 09:15 AM   #19 
     - ... exactly. Those are not neccessarily the safest ways to achieve the effects, if they exist.  moriah   Aug-23-09 09:29 AM   #20 
     - What you say is the obvious -- and I agree . . . so obvious . . . profit!  defendandprotect   Aug-23-09 09:31 PM   #44 
     - Nooooo! Not hiiiigh!  RadiationTherapy   Aug-23-09 09:51 AM   #23 
     - In response to your edit...  moriah   Aug-23-09 10:07 AM   #26 
     - Re: your humble observation ...  Fly by night   Aug-23-09 07:42 PM   #41 
        - I don't know if it's the BEST treatment for some of the disorders....  moriah   Aug-23-09 08:45 PM   #43 
     - And the vast majority of Valium users use it to manage anxiety  SOS   Aug-23-09 02:28 PM   #34 
     - God knows, nobody should ever enjoy  ohheckyeah   Aug-23-09 05:23 PM   #38 
        - It's the Puritanical view . . . life cannot be about pleasure . . . yet it is . . .!!!  defendandprotect   Aug-23-09 09:40 PM   #45 
     - Good, well-reasoned points. You raise a question I've thought about for a while.  Fly by night   Aug-23-09 01:51 PM   #29 
        - I have to agree with that point  buzzycrumbhunger   Aug-23-09 02:18 PM   #31 
        - Well, again, remember the example of belladonna, and I'll add foxglove to that list.  moriah   Aug-23-09 08:18 PM   #42 
     - I ain't your 'friend', palooka.  RadiationTherapy   Aug-23-09 09:46 AM   #22 
     - smoke your brains out, pal.  sweetpotato   Aug-23-09 10:52 AM   #27 
     - a rude little a-hole polluting the board  ima_sinnic   Aug-23-09 02:03 PM   #30 
     - When you notice that we still control even hemp . . . you might appreciate what it's all about . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-23-09 09:46 PM   #46 
  - Anyone who still denies the medicinal benefits of pot is hopelessly delusional..  Webster Green   Aug-23-09 05:06 PM   #36 
  - Are you ever not a little shithead?  Forkboy   Aug-23-09 05:47 PM   #39 
  - Proper title: chemicals from cannabis kill a prostate cancer cell line in vitro in tissue culture  stray cat   Aug-23-09 08:17 AM   #11 
  - Don't hold your breath.  Shellor1   Aug-23-09 09:02 AM   #16 
  - Is it really a surprise that in a gov power vs. individual liberty contest, liberty loses?  hansberrym   Aug-23-09 09:34 AM   #21 
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