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Romulox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-20-09 04:21 PM
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2. The last fifty years have witnessed the rapid decline of the American worker.
Your "technological golden age" was really string after string of war abroad and the ascendance of the monied class at home.
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  -Bye-Bye Brain Drain, Bye-Bye technological leadership. AzNick  Aug-20-09 04:07 PM   #0 
  - Like you, I live in Arizona  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 04:19 PM   #1 
  - Thanks. So they rely on foreign engineers...  AzNick   Aug-20-09 04:34 PM   #6 
  - Let me get this straight  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 04:38 PM   #9 
  - No I do not.  AzNick   Aug-20-09 04:39 PM   #11 
     - That, and a lot of them want to have workers they can pay less and abuse  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 04:44 PM   #15 
  - Dude I live in Tucson, and the level of idiocy is shocking  Indenturedebtor   Aug-21-09 02:00 AM   #55 
     - So lets give more tax breaks to corporations!  Hello_Kitty   Aug-21-09 02:05 AM   #57 
        - Yep - our local solution to our failing economy is... TAX BREAKS  Indenturedebtor   Aug-22-09 11:55 AM   #63 
  - I don't think that  PSzymeczek   Aug-21-09 01:26 AM   #53 
     - Bill Gates has gotten a shitload of tax breaks.  Hello_Kitty   Aug-21-09 02:03 AM   #56 
  - The last fifty years have witnessed the rapid decline of the American worker.  Romulox   Aug-20-09 04:21 PM   #2 
  - There never really wa an American "technological golden age"  FarCenter   Aug-20-09 05:19 PM   #25 
     - The success of America has depended on Americans making enough to buy stuff.  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 05:30 PM   #26 
        - The reason that wages were high in the US was that labor was scarce relative to natural resources  FarCenter   Aug-20-09 05:52 PM   #27 
  - We celebrate the stoopid.  lapfog_1   Aug-20-09 04:26 PM   #3 
  - I don't believe that Americans are dumber  AzNick   Aug-20-09 04:51 PM   #18 
     - In other words, there's profits for multinationals to exploit pay differentials.  Romulox   Aug-20-09 04:56 PM   #20 
        - What statistics are you citing?  Cessna Invesco Palin   Aug-20-09 10:20 PM   #36 
  - What country is the best for STEM graduates to go to?  FarCenter   Aug-20-09 04:27 PM   #4 
  - Less and less the US, that is my point  AzNick   Aug-20-09 04:41 PM   #14 
     - Actually, I should have also framed the question in terms of metro areas.  FarCenter   Aug-20-09 04:58 PM   #21 
  - Unfortunately, it's no longer just the Republicans who say "Good, less immigrants!"  pampango   Aug-20-09 04:31 PM   #5 
  - But it's totally okay to insult American engineers like the OP did, right?  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 04:35 PM   #7 
  - When did I do that, seriously?  AzNick   Aug-20-09 04:38 PM   #10 
  - Jesus Christ. You not only did it in the OP, you did it in your other response to me.  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 04:40 PM   #12 
  - Yes but even... there would still be a need for foreign engineers  AzNick   Aug-20-09 04:50 PM   #17 
     - Domestic. And yes I realize it has parts made in other countries.  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 05:03 PM   #23 
  - "It's just that this country does not train enough engineers (or should I say GOOD engineers..."  Romulox   Aug-20-09 04:40 PM   #13 
     - I stand by this statement  AzNick   Aug-20-09 04:48 PM   #16 
        - There's little incentive to train new engineers, or for students to choose such a path  Romulox   Aug-20-09 04:51 PM   #19 
           - One thing we got going for us is that the cheap labor lobby has some suck-tastic talking points  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 05:07 PM   #24 
           - You don't seem to understand...  Deja Q   Aug-20-09 10:26 PM   #40 
           - Quite. I've read this ENTIRE thread with interest and I have but one conclusion:  Deja Q   Aug-20-09 10:09 PM   #31 
  - Sad to say, it's not an insult, but the truh in a lot of cases  dropkickpa   Aug-21-09 02:22 AM   #58 
  - LOL. I noticed you bailed on the last immigration thread.  Romulox   Aug-20-09 04:37 PM   #8 
  - Our immigration system is so broken  treestar   Aug-20-09 05:00 PM   #22 
  - "It's just that this country does not train enough engineers (or should I say GOOD engineers "  OhioChick   Aug-20-09 06:10 PM   #28 
  - Get over it!!! Maybe I criticized the education system?!?  AzNick   Aug-20-09 10:02 PM   #30 
  - WTF are you talking about with this "3 times here" shit?  OhioChick   Aug-20-09 10:45 PM   #46 
     - ROFLMAO  ChromeFoundry   Aug-20-09 10:48 PM   #48 
        - Yes, I wish we trained more people to come here with our enthusiast.  Cessna Invesco Palin   Aug-21-09 12:19 AM   #52 
  - It's really sad how many people haven't figured that out yet...  Deja Q   Aug-20-09 10:11 PM   #32 
  - Sometimes,  OhioChick   Aug-20-09 10:48 PM   #47 
  - Recent college grads are cheap, too.  Cessna Invesco Palin   Aug-20-09 10:13 PM   #35 
     - Companies hiring want x years of experience. For new grads, x=0 and therefore unemployable.  Deja Q   Aug-20-09 10:22 PM   #37 
        - I've never worked at a tech company that was unwilling to hire recent grads...  Cessna Invesco Palin   Aug-20-09 10:24 PM   #39 
           - How many companies might that be? Care to list names? Ever read job ads too?  Deja Q   Aug-20-09 10:30 PM   #42 
              - No I will not be your monkey.  Cessna Invesco Palin   Aug-20-09 10:51 PM   #49 
  - Is that you, Harris Miller? - nt  mule_train   Aug-20-09 07:49 PM   #29 
  - ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ##  DU GrovelBot   Aug-20-09 10:11 PM   #33 
  - Until you started insulting people, I was prepared to take you at face value.  Deja Q   Aug-20-09 10:12 PM   #34 
  - A non-American on the moon would have still been an accomplishment for humanity  RB TexLa   Aug-20-09 10:23 PM   #38 
  - Listen buddy, it works both ways. People should work on that too.  Deja Q   Aug-20-09 10:27 PM   #41 
     - Thank you.  Hello_Kitty   Aug-20-09 10:40 PM   #43 
  - I don't think you know what "Brain Drain" means.  VenusRising   Aug-20-09 10:41 PM   #44 
  - The only reason we had the technological lead in the 50's and 60's in the first place...  tjwash   Aug-20-09 10:44 PM   #45 
  - that's true, but for WWII, the telephone (Bell), Electricity (Edison) auto industry (Ford) avaiation  mule_train   Aug-21-09 11:31 AM   #62 
  - what is your healthcare coverage like in the u.s....?  dysfunctional press   Aug-20-09 11:03 PM   #50 
  - One could read your post as blaming the Dems for pointing out how bad our healthcare is  HughMoran   Aug-20-09 11:32 PM   #51 
  - Who is Herbert Von Braun? Is he related to Wernher?  Morning Dew   Aug-21-09 01:46 AM   #54 
  - The fallacies and insinuations in your post are nearly the perfect example of why we are so screwed.  Greyhound   Aug-21-09 02:40 AM   #59 
  - The entire 'Education' issue is a red herring  mule_train   Aug-21-09 10:42 AM   #60 
  - A glimpse at the brilliance rampant in Arizona ... The Daily Show visits Arizona State  Arugula Latte   Aug-21-09 10:50 AM   #61 

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