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Thu Aug-20-09 11:43 AM
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| 48. Its not always bad to make an inference based on a statistical correlation. |
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Such correlations are often the basis of hypotheses that are investigated more thoroughly to useful ends. The issue is that without additional lines of evidence and really diligent exclusion of variables such conclusions are highly questionable.
Double blind study design is also not uniformly essential, but for certain questions (Drug toxicity and efficacy etc.) it is considered indispensable and standard practice. Generally though, you will find it more in health sciences than anywhere else.
The real problem here, as you allude to, is the way the media tends to handle the business of scientific reporting. They tend to over hype studies that will produce interest regardless of the strength and acceptance level of the study (see "cellphones cause brain tumors", "cannabis causes schizophrenia" etc.) while misrepresenting levels of controversy surrounding well established ideas (see "evolution", "global warming"). Other times they allow voices weigh in on scientific topics who have no business discussing anything more complicated than basic addition and subtraction (see "Jenny McCarthy"). Personally I blame the never ending quest for ratings. Science is in the category of things many people consider dry, so the impulse is to "sex it up" with various bits of controversy, celebrities, and other things that Americans like, which in the end tend to undermine the quality of the information presented.
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McCamy Taylor |
Aug-20-09 02:01 AM |
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Don't get too wound up... |
stuball111 |
Aug-20-09 02:04 AM |
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You'll need to repost this about every 3 days... |
kristopher |
Aug-20-09 02:09 AM |
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Here at DU though, anthing that supports pot use is instantly applauded and approved |
elocs |
Aug-20-09 02:14 AM |
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Pot public enemy number one |
obliviously |
Aug-20-09 02:19 AM |
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Off Topic Much? Just had to get your digs in, eh? Still have your "War on Drugs" decoder ring? |
DCKit |
Aug-20-09 02:23 AM |
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they had decoder rings? (k&r btw) n/t |
orleans |
Aug-20-09 02:32 AM |
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Who knew Nancy Reagan was a DUer? |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-20-09 07:16 AM |
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Right, who knew that my 17 year old daughter has schizophrenia triggered by pot use? |
elocs |
Aug-20-09 12:07 PM |
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"Widely recognized"? Links to these many studies? |
Forkboy |
Aug-20-09 12:20 PM |
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Yes, I can provide links, but they will each and every one be dismissed here. |
elocs |
Aug-20-09 12:45 PM |
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these are just anecdotes and links to anti-drug studies nt |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-20-09 04:14 PM |
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Sorry to burst your little world, but there have been actual studies for years |
elocs |
Aug-20-09 05:12 PM |
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BULLSHIT |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-21-09 11:15 AM |
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So we should ban all substances that pose any risk to less than 1% of the population? n/t |
Greyhound |
Aug-20-09 01:04 PM |
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Please point out to me where I ever said "ban"? You can't, can you? n/t |
elocs |
Aug-20-09 01:07 PM |
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In that case what is your point? |
Greyhound |
Aug-20-09 01:49 PM |
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2.4 million American adults have schizophrenia. Is that an infinitesimal portion of the population? |
elocs |
Aug-20-09 02:56 PM |
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elocs, do you support prohibition |
FarrenH |
Aug-20-09 02:58 PM |
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Please point out to me in any of my posts where I say anything about a ban |
elocs |
Aug-20-09 05:10 PM |
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I asked a question, and it wasn't rhetorical |
FarrenH |
Aug-20-09 06:25 PM |
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Yes, .08% of the population is an is insignificant percentage. That does not mean that those 2.4 |
Greyhound |
Aug-21-09 02:05 AM |
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you are simply wrong |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-20-09 04:12 PM |
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Sorry, I'm not wrong simply because you say I am. |
elocs |
Aug-20-09 05:14 PM |
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Yep. |
H2O Man |
Aug-21-09 04:15 AM |
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care to show in your "research" |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-21-09 10:48 AM |
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That's bullshit and you know it. I am very much pro-pot and................. |
pattmarty |
Aug-20-09 08:38 AM |
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It's not just Pot... |
hughee99 |
Aug-20-09 09:22 AM |
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pretty much |
Johonny |
Aug-20-09 10:24 AM |
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Here at DU, anything that supports the LEGAL CHOICE TO USE POT is instantly |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 11:01 AM |
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I would bet peanuts have killed more people than pot., but you don't |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-20-09 12:20 PM |
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There has never been a single case of pot killing someone, ever! |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 01:38 PM |
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That's what I thought, but peanuts have killed people. n/t |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-20-09 01:43 PM |
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I was agreeing with you. |
rd_kent |
Aug-20-09 02:33 PM |
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Nice post, Bill Bennett. |
Forkboy |
Aug-20-09 12:18 PM |
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K&R |
csziggy |
Aug-20-09 02:35 AM |
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One must remember that we've been innundated with such 'scientific' nonsense for decades |
Mythsaje |
Aug-20-09 02:38 AM |
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How about the "scientific research" in the 70's about it causing "man tits"?? |
pattmarty |
Aug-20-09 08:43 AM |
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same with studies on second hand smoke |
The Straight Story |
Aug-20-09 02:38 AM |
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Thank you for posting this. |
ThomCat |
Aug-20-09 02:39 AM |
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Here's the way to disprove the causation. |
ImOnlySleeping |
Aug-20-09 03:41 PM |
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Good. Only that pot DOES trigger schizophrenia. |
daedalus_dude |
Aug-20-09 02:49 AM |
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You've seen it happen a few times? |
Kitty Herder |
Aug-20-09 05:08 AM |
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Let's just say I know quite many pot-heads. |
daedalus_dude |
Aug-20-09 06:43 AM |
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"...lead to hallucinations and schizophrenia". It's called getting super stoned. |
tekisui |
Aug-20-09 06:51 AM |
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I really suggest you read the OP again. |
EOTE |
Aug-20-09 06:55 AM |
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Let's assume a person smokes pot. |
daedalus_dude |
Aug-20-09 07:06 AM |
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Until you can link to large scale scientific studies, I'll go by my own anecdotal evidence. |
EOTE |
Aug-20-09 09:09 AM |
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Well, let's assume the probability of a heavy pot smoker to go schizo lies at 10 percent. |
daedalus_dude |
Aug-20-09 09:36 AM |
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When I said dozens, I literally means DOZENS. |
EOTE |
Aug-20-09 10:13 AM |
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Hey "dude", why don't you and your "assuming" go back to worldnut daily. |
pattmarty |
Aug-20-09 11:10 AM |
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The only link |
FarrenH |
Aug-21-09 12:00 PM |
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considering most evidence suggests |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-20-09 10:47 AM |
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You'll get no arguments from me. NT |
EOTE |
Aug-20-09 12:54 PM |
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thanks |
druidity33 |
Aug-20-09 03:42 PM |
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So... |
Rebubula |
Aug-20-09 08:42 AM |
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Yeah, okay, "dude". Ha, ha, ha, ha............................ |
pattmarty |
Aug-20-09 08:46 AM |
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BUT, did you REALLY, REALLY see it happen, or maybe just thought you did???? |
pattmarty |
Aug-20-09 10:48 AM |
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LOL...I bet you have. |
Forkboy |
Aug-20-09 12:21 PM |
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Oh well then, that clears it all up. The dude says it is so. |
Greyhound |
Aug-20-09 01:01 PM |
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Seen it happen a few times? I call bullshit. |
walldude |
Aug-20-09 02:41 PM |
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sure you have |
fascisthunter |
Aug-20-09 06:55 PM |
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Mercy Mercy..its in the BIBLE even...POT is Cool with GOD.... |
opihimoimoi |
Aug-20-09 02:51 AM |
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By your reasoning, the hypothesis can not be ethically tested by the only "good" means |
andym |
Aug-20-09 03:32 AM |
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Everyone should read this post. |
Robb |
Aug-20-09 09:40 AM |
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Seconded. |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-20-09 12:23 PM |
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Thanks for a sane reply n/t |
Celebration |
Aug-20-09 01:37 PM |
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I recommend this post. |
MilesColtrane |
Aug-20-09 04:04 PM |
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Problems arise when "science" is used for a sales tool. I remember |
old mark |
Aug-20-09 04:37 AM |
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you don't want to get between nicotine addicts and THEIR smokes ... |
zbdent |
Aug-20-09 05:25 AM |
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Remember.... there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. n/t |
moriah |
Aug-20-09 05:32 AM |
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100% of people with cancer... |
SkyDaddy7 |
Aug-20-09 05:47 AM |
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As a scientist can I say alot of people here lack objectivity |
TZ |
Aug-20-09 07:28 AM |
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its even worse on Alternet and Huffpo |
GillesDeleuze |
Aug-20-09 10:50 AM |
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Great post. People seem to like science only when they agree with it. |
Dreamer Tatum |
Aug-20-09 12:20 PM |
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Would rec this reply if I could |
dropkickpa |
Aug-21-09 02:08 AM |
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As I replied in an earlier post about this, This shit is what happens when folks don't know |
LuckyLib |
Aug-20-09 09:15 AM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-20-09 09:22 AM |
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Excellent - K&R |
slackmaster |
Aug-20-09 09:43 AM |
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So many great pieces by you |
Torn_Scorned_Ignored |
Aug-20-09 10:14 AM |
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You get it. Well done. |
Piewhacket |
Aug-20-09 10:26 AM |
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Post hoc ergo proptor hoc |
Analyticalist |
Aug-20-09 10:49 AM |
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I got so loaded one time I swore I was two people....nt |
LeftHander |
Aug-20-09 10:49 AM |
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Assoication is the best that can be done sometimes -beats ignorant opinions |
stray cat |
Aug-20-09 11:28 AM |
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Its not always bad to make an inference based on a statistical correlation. |
D23MIURG23 |
Aug-20-09 11:43 AM |
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And yet, do not discount the placebo effect |
question everything |
Aug-20-09 12:07 PM |
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Kicked and recommended. |
Uncle Joe |
Aug-20-09 12:12 PM |
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A little pit nick |
Wednesdays |
Aug-20-09 12:42 PM |
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Good article |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-20-09 12:58 PM |
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Look, I love science |
ismnotwasm |
Aug-20-09 12:59 PM |
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good post and an opportunity to flame |
wolfgangmo |
Aug-20-09 01:01 PM |
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If your goal is to reduce the cases of schizophrenia (as oppossed to trashing pot) |
McCamy Taylor |
Aug-20-09 01:42 PM |
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Actually there might be a link... that said, before you get your knickers in a bunch |
nadinbrzezinski |
Aug-20-09 02:40 PM |
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don't tell that to my current ahole congressman, and the most likely candidate to replace |
Gabi Hayes |
Aug-20-09 06:41 PM |
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Um, what study? |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Aug-20-09 04:20 PM |
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There are anti-science morons on both the Left and the Right. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-20-09 05:44 PM |
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Not to mention detonated buildings, chemtrails, etc. More Woo than |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-20-09 07:01 PM |
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The ignorance is astounding. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-20-09 07:04 PM |
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It's a pretty sure bet none of them have ever been a blacksmith. |
Matt 6_5 |
Aug-20-09 07:11 PM |
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Science reporting is generally terrible. |
alarimer |
Aug-20-09 06:51 PM |
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HuffPo has Deepak Chopra as a columnist. THAT should tell you something. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-20-09 07:05 PM |
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That was not a science article, that was a Canadian commenting on the science. |
caseymoz |
Aug-20-09 07:47 PM |
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This is a great read on use of statistics. Makes information gathering |
gtar100 |
Aug-21-09 07:52 AM |
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"My friends, Today we are all schizophrenics"......n/t |
RagAss |
Aug-21-09 11:17 AM |
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Spurious association-connector is age |
mentalslavery |
Aug-21-09 12:48 PM |
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