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Tue Aug-18-09 10:28 AM
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| 106. Oh yes it did change the world..do you have a draft? No. Do the young adults gather anywhere to |
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sit around en masse and smoke dope? No. Think all the new law and order stuff of Nixon's was soley due to civil rights? Hardly.
The so called "woodstock" generation did change the world. Some for the better, some for the worse. Just because you didn't hear that on the nightly news, read it online or read it on twitter does not mean your contention is true. We lived it and we all knew about it and its repercussions without email, facebook or a hundred other ways in which to communicate today that we did not have then.
How do I know this? Well it surely has not been because of the textbooks in school. We listened to our siblings, we watched our brother and sisters fight with our parents, the news broadcast those bodies coming home and we saw them all. The napalm in Nam', the vets on the streets and the Newsmen in VietNam brought it all to us.
The music was great. Good. The sex was probably pretty good too. But what really mattered is that the Woodstock event drew a line in the sand among anyone under the age of 25. So did the the 4 kids who were shot at a college for nothing, absolutely nothing. Whether you fought in VietNam or protested on the streets about the draft or sat in the mud, the nation's leaders had declared war on us. We were the enemy, not the gooks in Nam.
For the youth or young men and women of today...you are the new enemy and I hazard a guess that most of you don't even recognize it. A generation didn't do that to you, your nation's leaders have and are doing it to you.
Forget about how we changed the world...how are you going to change the world? Where's your starting line children? Better find one, you're going to need it. We need you and you need us. Nothing else matters.
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| -Okay, let me get this straight...we're fighting about WOODSTOCK on DU? |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 09:32 PM |
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yeah, enough of Woodstock already nt |
crazy_vanilla |
Aug-17-09 09:34 PM |
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I think we're all stressed out. |
madmax |
Aug-17-09 09:35 PM |
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if you lived thru the 60's you get woodstock...there's really no way to convey it |
spanone |
Aug-17-09 09:35 PM |
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That's right. |
Blue_In_AK |
Aug-17-09 09:37 PM |
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It's all context - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-17-09 09:41 PM |
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True. |
Joanne98 |
Aug-18-09 07:52 AM |
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And so--the stupidity continues in yet another thread. I'm Switzerland here. |
blondeatlast |
Aug-17-09 09:37 PM |
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Switzerland wouldn't have interjected. |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 09:38 PM |
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That's today's DU for you (n/t) |
Catch22Dem |
Aug-17-09 09:38 PM |
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These "Woodstock was the best thing ever" threads are fucking priceless. |
Avalux |
Aug-17-09 09:38 PM |
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I didn't say Woodstock was "the best thing ever." |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 09:39 PM |
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LOL! |
Avalux |
Aug-17-09 09:41 PM |
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Atman? Yo, Atman? |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-17-09 09:40 PM |
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Absolutely, literally, laughing out loud. |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 09:41 PM |
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Figured you'd get it - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-17-09 09:43 PM |
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What TL Said, Baby !!! |
WillyT |
Aug-17-09 09:42 PM |
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Bravo. (Seconded.) |
TahitiNut |
Aug-17-09 09:50 PM |
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Really? You seriously support and respect how Atman communicated |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 06:35 AM |
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My "message to youth?" I'm not the Pope, I made a freaking message board post! |
Atman |
Aug-18-09 07:11 AM |
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"Hey old dudes, Woodstock sucked ass!" |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 07:29 AM |
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Gee, that's a tough question - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-18-09 10:47 AM |
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Thanks, Atman....K and R |
femrap |
Aug-17-09 09:45 PM |
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You seriously support and respect how Atman communicated and his message to youth? |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 06:44 AM |
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Atman spoke the Truth.... |
femrap |
Aug-18-09 10:25 AM |
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The kids are home from school and they're bored |
Lorien |
Aug-17-09 09:48 PM |
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Even -- or especially -- for those too young to be there |
omega minimo |
Aug-17-09 09:48 PM |
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i never attended outdoor concerts during those years |
madrchsod |
Aug-17-09 09:50 PM |
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so what? |
HughMoran |
Aug-17-09 09:55 PM |
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The seeming inability of those who weren't alive to at least let those who were reminisce |
HughMoran |
Aug-17-09 09:54 PM |
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recommend ... because this fire needs more gasoline! |
TexasObserver |
Aug-17-09 09:57 PM |
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We didn't start the fire...it was always burnin' since...oh shoot me NOW! |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 09:59 PM |
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Yeah, and, of course, was a rip off of what song? |
TexasObserver |
Aug-17-09 10:05 PM |
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The guy who owns The Olive Garden taught his Israeli pitbull to smoke at Woodstock. n/t |
Ian David |
Aug-17-09 10:01 PM |
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bah hahhah. you title alone, makes me giggle. didnt read your post cause.... |
seabeyond |
Aug-17-09 10:02 PM |
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That's the problem...so many of you think it "was a concert." |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 10:07 PM |
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Those things exist precicely BECAUSE of Woodstock. |
ContinentalOp |
Aug-17-09 10:12 PM |
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Which brings us back to... |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 10:14 PM |
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The kids depend on them, though and expect them to be there. And don't notice the omnipresent logos |
omega minimo |
Aug-18-09 12:21 AM |
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"the kids" "depend" "don't notice...anything odd" |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 06:43 AM |
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"paranoid" "mistaken" "narcissistic" "illiterate" "paranoid" "misinterpreting" |
omega minimo |
Aug-18-09 11:42 AM |
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It's fine; it's completely hypocritical of you, naturally, but it is fine. |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 12:03 PM |
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Before you get yourself in trouble |
omega minimo |
Aug-18-09 12:11 PM |
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As succinct as ever, OM. |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 12:20 PM |
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LOL |
omega minimo |
Aug-18-09 12:31 PM |
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Well, if you hadn't tried to contextualize my thread to fit your needs, your disappointment |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 12:39 PM |
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I asked you questions based on the perspective you shared |
omega minimo |
Aug-18-09 01:16 PM |
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And what happened afterward? |
Pab Sungenis |
Aug-17-09 10:14 PM |
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Get off my lawn. |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 10:19 PM |
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I have none. |
Pab Sungenis |
Aug-17-09 10:37 PM |
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It changed people, |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-17-09 10:55 PM |
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Let's put it a different way...OUR PRESIDENTS AND LEADERS WERE BEING SHOT |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 11:25 PM |
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So were our young men - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-17-09 11:29 PM |
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And you can prove this..how? n/t |
Cetacea |
Aug-18-09 04:06 AM |
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Well, |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-18-09 10:45 AM |
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In part just because of what the generations since have taken for granted. |
truedelphi |
Aug-18-09 07:15 PM |
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Woodstock changed Snoopy |
robdogbucky |
Aug-18-09 11:03 AM |
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Oh yes it did change the world..do you have a draft? No. Do the young adults gather anywhere to |
MichiganVote |
Aug-18-09 10:28 AM |
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Well said. The battle never ends, we just came closer to winning between 1969-1980. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-18-09 10:57 AM |
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As they say...freedom tain't free. They want more? Go get it. They won't give it em'. Thanks! |
MichiganVote |
Aug-18-09 06:02 PM |
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"Takin' it to the streets" has become "txt ur bff abot it" |
TexasObserver |
Aug-18-09 11:56 PM |
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Oh God you ain't kiddin' :) |
MichiganVote |
Aug-19-09 10:49 AM |
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One of my sons teaches English at a nearby University. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-19-09 01:26 PM |
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You bet. Plus in my experience in working in the schools, writing is just not taught well anymore |
MichiganVote |
Aug-19-09 07:56 PM |
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We ended the draft |
DoBotherMe |
Aug-18-09 03:13 PM |
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well... i was a teen in 70's in calif. so not like i had all that shit you are talking about. |
seabeyond |
Aug-17-09 10:55 PM |
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Here Here! Viva Le Geezeritude! |
Stinky The Clown |
Aug-17-09 10:10 PM |
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You got it, man! |
Atman |
Aug-17-09 10:11 PM |
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I was a little kid during Woodstock and even I get it |
carlyhippy |
Aug-17-09 10:12 PM |
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I love it when that happens |
WolverineDG |
Aug-18-09 07:27 AM |
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## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
DU GrovelBot |
Aug-17-09 10:12 PM |
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FUCK YOU YOU WERENT THERE MAN!! YOU..... oh wait. |
Political Heretic |
Aug-18-09 03:59 AM |
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LOL! |
Atman |
Aug-18-09 06:59 AM |
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...... |
trusty elf |
Aug-18-09 07:56 AM |
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BEST POST OF THE YEAR! |
Atman |
Aug-18-09 07:58 AM |
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Bzzz...klik...peace 'n love |
mogster |
Aug-18-09 08:07 AM |
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Love it! |
MichiganVote |
Aug-18-09 10:03 AM |
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I understand, Atman |
MorningGlow |
Aug-17-09 10:16 PM |
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I was 12 at the time... |
jimlup |
Aug-18-09 07:29 AM |
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They're still doing it, too |
MorningGlow |
Aug-18-09 10:17 AM |
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Yes, I think the corporate media holds sway in ways we don't realize |
jimlup |
Aug-18-09 10:41 AM |
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Here's The Take From Somebody At 420 Magazine... |
WillyT |
Aug-17-09 10:39 PM |
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Great piece. Thanks for posting it. n/t |
Cetacea |
Aug-18-09 04:09 AM |
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What a nice article |
Chemisse |
Aug-18-09 06:23 PM |
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I was 12, but old enough to remember the times |
Skittles |
Aug-17-09 11:19 PM |
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It's weird how you can't defend Woodstock without taking shots at the whippersnappers |
fishwax |
Aug-17-09 11:29 PM |
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We're not defending it - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-17-09 11:30 PM |
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It's weird how difficult it seems to be to do so without bashing the whippersnappers |
fishwax |
Aug-17-09 11:34 PM |
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Really? |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-17-09 11:39 PM |
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plenty of bashing going on |
fishwax |
Aug-17-09 11:48 PM |
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I wish you could show me some examples, |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-17-09 11:58 PM |
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like the OP, for instance |
fishwax |
Aug-18-09 12:08 AM |
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Did you see the OP as "bashing"? |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-18-09 12:21 AM |
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Here's the "bashy" parts clipped out for ya: |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 06:50 AM |
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Thank You |
NashVegas |
Aug-18-09 07:51 AM |
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Beautiful - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-18-09 10:44 AM |
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Now, can you please show me |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-18-09 10:40 AM |
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The debate is, and always has been, the relevance and legacy of woodstock. |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 11:08 AM |
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I disagree - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Aug-18-09 11:12 AM |
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In the context of your perceptions, I can add nothing. |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 11:19 AM |
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I was ten at the time and I understand it, |
kster |
Aug-17-09 11:37 PM |
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I am switzerland. |
Political Heretic |
Aug-17-09 11:53 PM |
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LOL !!! |
WillyT |
Aug-18-09 12:20 AM |
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What could there be to argue? Woodstock is the greatest event in the history of Rock |
TheKentuckian |
Aug-18-09 12:23 AM |
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Hahahaha! Happy to kick and rec your post. |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 06:33 AM |
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It's what I lived this long for! |
Atman |
Aug-18-09 07:05 AM |
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Hey, man, if you're diggin it, i'm diggin it. |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 07:27 AM |
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Okay, so you DO get Woodstock! |
Atman |
Aug-18-09 07:48 AM |
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I'll stay off the lawn, but don't mind if you share the grass. |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 08:20 AM |
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I sent the phrase into translation party |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 11:10 AM |
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Ahem |
AllentownJake |
Aug-18-09 07:09 AM |
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I don't deny that. |
Atman |
Aug-18-09 07:13 AM |
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We voted in a pretty good block for Obama |
AllentownJake |
Aug-18-09 07:23 AM |
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Yes, you got that right! |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-18-09 07:37 AM |
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Every Generation sells out |
AllentownJake |
Aug-18-09 07:39 AM |
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That doesn't mean that we should shirk OUR responsibility. It's time to work together ... |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-18-09 07:49 AM |
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Yes they did |
DoBotherMe |
Aug-18-09 06:28 PM |
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Righteous rant! |
City of Mills |
Aug-18-09 07:30 AM |
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IMO, quoting Clint Eastwood's character on the flick "Gran Torino" is bordering on LAME.. |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-18-09 07:32 AM |
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Uh, I've never seen "Gran Torino" so I have no idea what you're talking about. |
Atman |
Aug-18-09 07:36 AM |
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It's good to "keep up" even though we are getting older. We sold out and Woodstock is |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-18-09 07:45 AM |
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"It started with the "Reagan Democrats."" |
redqueen |
Aug-18-09 10:12 AM |
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I think some people are trying to work out some parental issues. |
Ganja Ninja |
Aug-18-09 07:34 AM |
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Possibly |
AllentownJake |
Aug-18-09 07:36 AM |
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I have a fine relationship with my parents |
RadiationTherapy |
Aug-18-09 11:02 AM |
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People whose sole pleasure in life is hating will leap at the chance to hate anything at all. |
QC |
Aug-18-09 07:41 AM |
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Congrats, you completely figured us out. |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-18-09 07:47 AM |
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Well, I have managed to figure some of you out. |
QC |
Aug-18-09 07:52 AM |
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Yes, because we know anyone who disagrees with such LOGIC is often deemed crazy or un-american. |
ShortnFiery |
Aug-18-09 07:59 AM |
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Yes, Stella, that's it. Now run along, Stanley's looking for you. n/t |
QC |
Aug-18-09 08:13 AM |
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You did sell out, actually |
Prism |
Aug-18-09 07:48 AM |
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If something magical happened at Woodstock, what about Altamont? |
AngryAmish |
Aug-18-09 07:48 AM |
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Ouch, that might leave a mark. nt |
Bonobo |
Aug-18-09 08:06 AM |
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A few things. |
ozone_man |
Aug-18-09 01:11 PM |
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My take on how we boomers "sold out" to corporate whores. When I was |
madmom |
Aug-18-09 09:35 AM |
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Also |
Mixopterus |
Aug-18-09 10:02 AM |
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Yeah Yeah Yeah what ever. More antagonistic to younger generations huh.. |
madmom |
Aug-18-09 10:29 AM |
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Right |
Mixopterus |
Aug-18-09 12:19 PM |
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So in other words what you are saying is the boomers should shut up and die so the poor little |
madmom |
Aug-18-09 01:23 PM |
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This is good stuff |
Mixopterus |
Aug-19-09 01:35 AM |
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Yeah like I said, you just want us to move out of the way so you can take over our |
madmom |
Aug-20-09 10:44 AM |
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What planet of ignorance did you bloom on? |
Peacetrain |
Aug-18-09 10:56 AM |
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Ok... |
Mixopterus |
Aug-18-09 12:27 PM |
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The generational arrogance was you.. |
Peacetrain |
Aug-18-09 12:37 PM |
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Disinformation, much? |
omega minimo |
Aug-18-09 08:10 PM |
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Generations fighting is all BS. Divide and conquer all of us, make us all fight. |
Jennicut |
Aug-18-09 12:06 PM |
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You are right |
Mixopterus |
Aug-18-09 12:21 PM |
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Some created it, some did not. I wait to criticize because who knows what Gen X will do. |
Jennicut |
Aug-18-09 12:28 PM |
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If Woodstock doesn't shape up, I won't vote for it in the 2012 primaries. |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Aug-18-09 12:40 PM |
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"Never trust anybody under 30." |
edbermac |
Aug-18-09 01:24 PM |
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my dad was in the military during woodstock |
citizen snips |
Aug-18-09 01:25 PM |
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So do you even know how many men and women were in the military at that time? |
MichiganVote |
Aug-18-09 06:09 PM |
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If people QUIT joining the military we'd all be a lot better off |
Generic Other |
Aug-18-09 06:50 PM |
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I don't think the shelf life on this one is very good. |
MichiganVote |
Aug-18-09 08:01 PM |
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now that was a low blow |
citizen snips |
Aug-19-09 11:56 AM |
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Apparently the kids need a distraction from all the health care angst. |
MissMarple |
Aug-18-09 02:02 PM |
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Truer words were never spoken! |
Fire1 |
Aug-18-09 04:57 PM |
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Monterey Pop was way better. So was any Teen Fair or Battle of the Bands in the San Jose circa 1966. |
Dr Fate |
Aug-18-09 06:29 PM |
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Fuckin' A! |
the blues |
Aug-18-09 08:28 PM |
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We're fighting over anything we can sink our teeth into. |
cherokeeprogressive |
Aug-19-09 12:11 AM |
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The only woodstock I think made a lasting impression, is the kent state woodstocks. |
Gman2 |
Aug-19-09 11:09 AM |
#156 |
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Hey man, is that FREEDOM ROCK? Yeah, man! Well turn it up, man! |
rd_kent |
Aug-19-09 01:41 PM |
#159 |