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Fedja Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-17-09 02:48 AM
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62. The tax topic is abused by the right.
Edited on Mon Aug-17-09 03:11 AM by Fedja
I live in Slovenia where our total tax burden is some 51%. Hell, even when I type that number, I scare myself. Now... let's see what that covers:
- free healthcare for my family
- the above includes dental, eye care, all medicines, hospital stays, preexisting conditions....
- if someone in my family has no regular income, he's listed as my "dependent". I get a tax break and he's covered by my health insurance
- free college education for my kids (yes, free.)
- pension insurance (US stock-based pension funds are as shocking to us as private healthcare)
- unemployment benefits (for a period of 1-2 years after losing a regular job)
- 1 year maternity leave
- 3 week paternity leave
- paid sick leave
- 23-30 paid holiday (5 weeks) per year

Surely there's thousands of other benefits I can't think of right now, but that's the basic idea. Sure, taxation can be higher, and we end up with less money in the pocket, but we're snug and secure. We know for sure that we'll never be denied healthcare, all our kids can go to college even if we're low on money, we won't be hungry in a month even if our company collapses, and nobody can rob us of our pension. It's a sense of security I gladly pay taxes for.

Edit: I went to look at some of the other benefits, and it's a fairly stunning list. In the interest of brevity, I'll only list the ones that apply to parenthood:
- 1 full year paid maternity (salary matched to salary held before birth, capped at 2.5x average salary)
- 3 weeks paternity leave in the first 6 months
- shorter working hours for 1 parent until the child is 3 years old (employing company compensated by the national budget)
- 4-child families - national budget permanently pays a parent an average salary if he chooses to stay home to care for kids full time
- parenthood assistance - a lump sum payment at birth of a child to cover purchases of baby care necessities (some 500 usd)
- child care assistance - if the family income is below the national average (even by 1%), one parent receives a monthly payout by the govt (I think it's around $200) per underage child
- large family assistance - annual payment for families with 3+ kids under 18 (or under 26 if attending school)- $600
- special needs child assistance - $150 to $300 monthly for children with special care needs, depending on severity
- special needs salary compensation - salary comp for a parent who has to care full-time for a special needs child.

The above is just related to kids, there's lists like that for retirement, unemployment, education, and god knows what else. :)
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  -Employee of the NHS here (Scotland) Zix  Aug-16-09 06:55 PM   #0 
  - The right in this country doesn't follow logic  Warpy   Aug-16-09 06:59 PM   #1 
  - They are only directed by fear.  harun   Aug-17-09 12:34 PM   #88 
  - Thank you!  Brigid   Aug-16-09 07:00 PM   #2 
  - k&r  LeftishBrit   Aug-16-09 07:01 PM   #3 
  - Beautifully said, and I could not agree more, although despair is very tempting.  Laelth   Aug-16-09 07:02 PM   #4 
  - Oh, Canada is very tempting.  morillon   Aug-16-09 08:40 PM   #29 
  - Please take me with you....  Joe the Liberal   Aug-16-09 09:21 PM   #35 
     - take me with you and I don't think I am kidding!  DollyM   Aug-17-09 12:55 AM   #52 
     - If I win the lottery, I'm setting up an upscale refugee camp...  morillon   Aug-17-09 02:07 AM   #59 
     - AMEN!!!  druidqueen   Aug-17-09 09:24 AM   #77 
  - And so is Australia and New Zealand - but you don't see it on CSPAN  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-16-09 10:27 PM   #41 
  - I want to move to Scotland.  Catshrink   Aug-16-09 07:04 PM   #5 
  - I don't drive, so it's all good for me. :^D  GreenPartyVoter   Aug-16-09 07:05 PM   #8 
  - my husband is British by birth also . . .  DollyM   Aug-17-09 12:58 AM   #53 
  - I'll go with you!  proReality   Aug-17-09 07:48 AM   #72 
  - Thanks for your post. Nothing is perfect but the NHS is far better than the crap here.  JanMichael   Aug-16-09 07:04 PM   #6 
  - This hasn't been "my" country for many years.  mwb970   Aug-17-09 07:58 AM   #74 
  - K&R  earthboundmisfit   Aug-16-09 07:04 PM   #7 
  - Thanks for your post  brentspeak   Aug-16-09 07:05 PM   #9 
  - Thank you for posting that. I will pass it on to my family and friends. :^)  GreenPartyVoter   Aug-16-09 07:06 PM   #10 
  - Thank you  TokenQueer   Aug-16-09 07:06 PM   #11 
  - thank you for posting.  barbtries   Aug-16-09 07:09 PM   #12 
  - It's all about profits and money. Only seen from that angle does it make sense...  Captain Hilts   Aug-16-09 07:09 PM   #13 
  - By all means, please feel free to express your opinions here anytime!  eShirl   Aug-16-09 07:10 PM   #14 
  - Thank you. I just want people to know that it's possible to win.  Zix   Aug-16-09 07:21 PM   #17 
     - i wish the left in america were numerous but i fear its not the case.  Mr Generic Other   Aug-21-09 11:20 PM   #116 
  - Thank you.  silverweb   Aug-16-09 07:14 PM   #15 
  - keep speaking up (and thanks for doing so)  corpseratemedia   Aug-16-09 07:15 PM   #16 
  - I may be angrier with them than you. I know it sounds weird, but I think I might be.  Zix   Aug-16-09 07:23 PM   #19 
  - K&R  Solly Mack   Aug-16-09 07:22 PM   #18 
  - can you help me with this?  KT2000   Aug-16-09 07:39 PM   #20 
  - Yes, taxes are VERY high in Scoland and Ireland - if you earn over about 35,000  Zix   Aug-16-09 08:00 PM   #21 
     - Thank you  KT2000   Aug-16-09 08:08 PM   #22 
     - I hope they don't end up destroying the NHS.  Zix   Aug-16-09 08:11 PM   #23 
     - Believe you me, Nix....  CANDO   Aug-16-09 08:30 PM   #26 
     - Hm. well the NHS nearly DID die under the Tories.  Zix   Aug-16-09 08:44 PM   #30 
     - Was that under Maggie Thatcher?  CANDO   Aug-16-09 08:48 PM   #31 
        - Yes, and her immediate successor Joh Major.  Zix   Aug-16-09 09:11 PM   #32 
     - Well if they did..  Fedja   Aug-17-09 02:34 AM   #61 
     - Best keep your eye on the CIA, then.  Jack Sprat   Aug-17-09 12:12 AM   #49 
     - But what percentage of US wages  Sheepshank   Aug-16-09 08:35 PM   #28 
     - Yes  flying rabbit   Aug-16-09 09:31 PM   #36 
     - Of course  KT2000   Aug-16-09 09:46 PM   #37 
     - The tax topic is abused by the right.  Fedja   Aug-17-09 02:48 AM   #62 
     - That's what I thought...  Veruca Salt   Aug-17-09 10:14 AM   #81 
     - Thanks for the impressive summary!  BlueMTexpat   Aug-17-09 10:15 AM   #82 
     - Yeah but factor in health care in this country  SteelPenguin   Aug-17-09 10:33 AM   #85 
     - If you add both, your federal AND state income tax  liberation   Aug-17-09 12:34 PM   #87 
     - But you don't have to pay Insurance Premiums.  sabrina 1   Aug-17-09 03:42 AM   #64 
     - yep sabrina, its the money.  Mr Generic Other   Aug-21-09 11:38 PM   #117 
     - 20%/40% is VERY HIGH?  Doctor_J   Aug-17-09 12:37 PM   #91 
  - Thanks for your support and  alsame   Aug-16-09 08:17 PM   #24 
  - welcome to DU, Zix  CatWoman   Aug-16-09 08:20 PM   #25 
  - If I could rec this post X 100, I would.  morillon   Aug-16-09 08:35 PM   #27 
  - Well said Zix.....  Joe the Liberal   Aug-16-09 09:13 PM   #33 
  - Good post. Thanks.  donco6   Aug-16-09 09:15 PM   #34 
  - the american economy is based on the plantation model  Mr Generic Other   Aug-16-09 09:54 PM   #38 
  - I quizzed my Uncle in Wales about the NHS:  patsimae   Aug-16-09 10:10 PM   #39 
  - If anyone wants figures for NHS waiting times, they're here  muriel_volestrangler   Aug-19-09 06:33 AM   #114 
  - we live in a very IGNORANT country. (recommending thread)  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-16-09 10:26 PM   #40 
  - The right is being LIED TO by corporate interests  Stephanie   Aug-16-09 10:39 PM   #42 
  - I talk to alot of people on the right. They know. I tell them.  rucky   Aug-16-09 11:48 PM   #44 
     - Even if they're poor themselves  Stephanie   Aug-17-09 12:02 AM   #46 
     - The the rub isn't it  Libertas1776   Aug-17-09 12:06 AM   #48 
  - Thanks for you input Zix and welcome  zeemike   Aug-16-09 10:58 PM   #43 
  - welcome to the site!  Blue_Tires   Aug-16-09 11:57 PM   #45 
  - Try as they might,  Libertas1776   Aug-17-09 12:02 AM   #47 
  - You paint a scary scenario...  Zix   Aug-17-09 05:32 PM   #110 
     - guess our ad campaigns worked.  Mr Generic Other   Aug-21-09 11:48 PM   #118 
  - Good points all around. When I was younger I couldn't believe we didn't have a system like NHS.  litlady   Aug-17-09 12:20 AM   #50 
  - Welcome to DU Zix  Oldtimeralso   Aug-17-09 12:40 AM   #51 
  - The answer to all your questions about Americans and health care is....  cadaverdog   Aug-17-09 01:05 AM   #54 
  - Thank you! K and R  ClayZ   Aug-17-09 01:20 AM   #55 
  - Please ask your colleagues to join us  WillYourVoteBCounted   Aug-17-09 01:26 AM   #56 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-17-09 01:37 AM   #57 
  - Thank you for speaking out. Your perspective is important and appreciated. n/t  Triana   Aug-17-09 01:48 AM   #58 
  - Thank you!  Kitty Herder   Aug-17-09 02:20 AM   #60 
  - plain and simple: MONEY AND CORPORATE/GOVERNMENT COLLUSION. n/t  pepperbear   Aug-17-09 03:06 AM   #63 
  - Good points.And a health service isn't SUPPOSED to make a profit.  mr blur   Aug-17-09 03:47 AM   #65 
  - this is why i keep asking conservative friends why we can't discuss how other countries do it  CreekDog   Aug-17-09 03:56 AM   #66 
  - Thank you so much for sharing.  krister   Aug-17-09 04:02 AM   #67 
  - Thank you for sharing.  Delphinus   Aug-17-09 06:00 AM   #68 
  - Fantastic post!  indimuse   Aug-17-09 06:23 AM   #69 
  - Thank you, and not only that, but ...  planetc   Aug-17-09 07:36 AM   #70 
  - Great post.  lildreamer316   Aug-17-09 07:45 AM   #71 
  - Thanks for the encouraging post! n/t  proReality   Aug-17-09 07:50 AM   #73 
  - Answer to your question  Shagbark Hickory   Aug-17-09 08:08 AM   #75 
  - One or two things:  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-17-09 08:17 AM   #76 
  - what you fail to understand  druidity33   Aug-17-09 09:45 AM   #78 
  - another kick and THANK YOU for the insights  Blue_Tires   Aug-17-09 09:54 AM   #79 
  - The political right wing in the USA  fifthoffive   Aug-17-09 10:02 AM   #80 
  - OK, here's a complicated answer: Believe it or not, it's mostly about RACE & history  HamdenRice   Aug-17-09 10:26 AM   #83 
  - Yep, they hate equality of any kind.  harun   Aug-17-09 12:36 PM   #90 
  - Thank you.  glinda   Aug-17-09 10:29 AM   #84 
  - Great post. As economist Paul Krugman says, the only thing stopping  valerief   Aug-17-09 11:34 AM   #86 
  - The right wing's attitude is to keep people scared, hungry, and ignorant  Doctor_J   Aug-17-09 12:36 PM   #89 
  - your question  SemperEadem   Aug-17-09 12:38 PM   #92 
  - Oooh... but they DO think the UK is a socialist country. Silly, but true. Thanks for your post!  DrZeeLit   Aug-17-09 12:56 PM   #93 
  - Can we borrow some Claymores and Highlanders?  YOY   Aug-17-09 01:25 PM   #94 
  - kr  Norrin Radd   Aug-17-09 01:41 PM   #95 
  - Thank you. And I think you nailed the problem:  pnwmom   Aug-17-09 01:42 PM   #96 
  - Rec # 135  mzmolly   Aug-17-09 02:00 PM   #97 
  - You left out a salient issue...American bribery  oxymoronic   Aug-17-09 02:12 PM   #98 
  - Thanks - I needed a pep talk today.  Vinca   Aug-17-09 02:15 PM   #99 
  - Thanks, Zix. I imagine a lot of people in other nations are head-scratching and going 'WTF?' now...  TygrBright   Aug-17-09 02:30 PM   #100 
  - One of the best posts on DU in a long time...thanks.  Bread and Circus   Aug-17-09 02:38 PM   #101 
  - There can be no "giving up" . . . if you do, things only get WORSE . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-17-09 02:41 PM   #102 
  - We have "profiteer" involvement in health care in US because we have "profiteer" involvement . . .  defendandprotect   Aug-17-09 02:44 PM   #103 
  - Well, here's the deal.  Enthusiast   Aug-17-09 03:33 PM   #104 
  - Great post...thanks n/t  slipslidingaway   Aug-17-09 03:38 PM   #105 
  - BEAUTIFULLY put! Insurance should be for aberrations  nolabear   Aug-17-09 04:12 PM   #106 
  - I have just one thing to say...  muffin1   Aug-17-09 04:15 PM   #107 
  - Not patronised at all and I thoroughly agree with you on all points  GCP   Aug-17-09 04:22 PM   #108 
  - That was one of the best posts I've seen here  Juche   Aug-17-09 04:42 PM   #109 
  - THANK YOU EVERYONE for your warm welcome and responses  Zix   Aug-17-09 06:32 PM   #111 
  - Well thank you for posting that!  B3Nut   Aug-17-09 07:19 PM   #112 
  - Thank you!  texasleo   Aug-19-09 03:05 AM   #113 
  - When human life is taken out of it then the sense comes through  nightgaunt   Aug-21-09 02:19 PM   #115 
  - Very enlightening. Could you persuade your government to drop leaflets  Phoebe Loosinhouse   Aug-22-09 12:01 AM   #119 

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