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ldf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-16-09 11:40 AM
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29. apparently the dem way is to
propose lots of meaningful solutions, hold up hope that things will get better.....

and then rewrite it all so the rich get richer, while we are left holding the bill.

there will be no change until we have a party that will carry through change.

and more and more that does NOT sound like the democratic party.

you know, we whiners can only whine and threaten to take our ball and go home, for only so long. at some point, it actually happens.
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  -So it's looking increasingly likely we're going to get screwed, again MadHound  Aug-16-09 10:48 AM   #0 
  - How very, very hopeful and changealicious! n/t  QC   Aug-16-09 10:49 AM   #1 
  - You know, in my deep, deep cynicism over Democratic politics, I wasn't expecting much  MadHound   Aug-16-09 10:53 AM   #3 
     - I wish I could still be shocked at Democratic cowardice and cynicism,  QC   Aug-16-09 11:02 AM   #5 
     - That was my prediction at the beginning of this "debate"  MadHound   Aug-16-09 11:06 AM   #9 
     - Political kabuki.  QC   Aug-16-09 11:08 AM   #10 
     - yep, it will wind up being a big windfall for Big Insurance  ixion   Aug-16-09 11:08 AM   #11 
        - Well, Health Inc. gave Obama $18,000,000.  QC   Aug-16-09 11:15 AM   #18 
           - Linkage???  cliffordu   Aug-16-09 12:52 PM   #56 
              - Sorry--I was wrong about that number.  QC   Aug-16-09 01:00 PM   #57 
     - GOP ad campaign?  LeftCoastOceanBreeze   Aug-16-09 11:04 AM   #7 
  - Blech  eleny   Aug-16-09 10:51 AM   #2 
  - Another snip...  slipslidingaway   Aug-16-09 11:02 AM   #4 
  - "The essential element" of course  GreenArrow   Aug-16-09 11:09 AM   #13 
     - Of course :( n/t  slipslidingaway   Aug-16-09 12:42 PM   #53 
  - Secretly, I think that's what you and a number of other DU'ers want. Then you can keep whining about  KittyWampus   Aug-16-09 11:04 AM   #6 
  - Actually, you know what,  MadHound   Aug-16-09 11:09 AM   #12 
  - We need "a real party" - one that stands up for working people,  kath   Aug-16-09 11:27 AM   #22 
  - Ah, so you're sticking around here just long enough to demoralize those of us who want to fight now  KittyWampus   Aug-16-09 11:46 AM   #33 
     - Nothing's stopping you from fighting.  pecwae   Aug-16-09 12:17 PM   #45 
  - Throw out anything good because its not perfect! Yes that sounds like the dem way.  stray cat   Aug-16-09 11:24 AM   #20 
  - apparently the dem way is to  ldf   Aug-16-09 11:40 AM   #29 
  - And don't bother fighting for it, either. Throw in the towel and demoralize the rest of us.  KittyWampus   Aug-16-09 11:46 AM   #32 
  - No, we should embrace and celebrate really shitty things because  QC   Aug-16-09 12:05 PM   #41 
  - A public option is not "perfect" (only acceptable)...Pseudo-reform w/o a public option is not "good"  Faryn Balyncd   Aug-16-09 12:39 PM   #52 
  - Not me.  progressoid   Aug-16-09 09:33 PM   #60 
  - So, instead of throwing one segment of the population at a time........  frebrd   Aug-16-09 11:05 AM   #8 
  - A "nonprofit insurance cooperative" is NOT a public option.  TahitiNut   Aug-16-09 11:11 AM   #14 
  - But, but, but it will be "change"  MadHound   Aug-16-09 11:14 AM   #17 
  - Why we should support HCR even if it doesn't include a public option  cravermi   Aug-16-09 11:13 AM   #15 
  - I know you worked hard on this post,  enlightenment   Aug-16-09 11:39 AM   #28 
  - +1  DKRC   Aug-16-09 11:51 AM   #37 
  - No public option? I will ACTIVELY WORK TO DEFEAT IT! n/t  WeDidIt   Aug-16-09 11:48 AM   #35 
  - Gee, you posted that exact long wank on another thread  Bluenorthwest   Aug-16-09 11:50 AM   #36 
  - Of course you do..That what's negativity breeds..  Cha   Aug-16-09 11:13 AM   #16 
  - So you will OK with not having the public option?  MadHound   Aug-16-09 11:17 AM   #19 
  - President Obama has said time and time again  Cha   Aug-16-09 11:28 AM   #24 
  - reminds me of the saying that goes somewhat like...  ldf   Aug-16-09 11:32 AM   #26 
     - Nothing wrong with more patience when we  Cha   Aug-16-09 12:01 PM   #39 
  - Looks like  Coyote_Bandit   Aug-16-09 11:25 AM   #21 
  - HIT PIECE ALERT!!!  rocktivity   Aug-16-09 11:28 AM   #23 
  - Sebelius Did suggest this  Progressive dog   Aug-16-09 12:09 PM   #43 
  - Sebelius said it  WeDidIt   Aug-16-09 12:26 PM   #47 
  - The President said there might not be a public option as well  madville   Aug-16-09 11:28 AM   #25 
  - Obama has been on the corporations' side from the start.  leftofthedial   Aug-16-09 11:32 AM   #27 
  - It has been obvious from the begining,  QC   Aug-16-09 12:09 PM   #44 
     - Absolutely  Individualist   Aug-16-09 12:31 PM   #51 
  - I hate that I was, apparently, right!  green917   Aug-16-09 11:44 AM   #30 
  - I now oppose "HEalth Care REform"  WeDidIt   Aug-16-09 11:45 AM   #31 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-16-09 12:04 PM   #40 
     - Not without a public option  WeDidIt   Aug-16-09 12:30 PM   #50 
  - I hate to say I told you so.  JeanGrey   Aug-16-09 11:47 AM   #34 
  - This will simply destroy the Democratic Party  CanonRay   Aug-16-09 11:58 AM   #38 
  - We are fucked - I already sent my e-mail to the President and  southernyankeebelle   Aug-16-09 12:07 PM   #42 
  - Hey folks - don't forget Obama is playing 20 dimensional CHESS and the  Peregrine Took   Aug-16-09 12:22 PM   #46 
  - Hell, not even tic tac toe--we're just playing with ourselves! n/t  QC   Aug-16-09 12:27 PM   #48 
  - Chess is a game, healthcare is life or death  divideandconquer   Aug-16-09 12:51 PM   #55 
  - Was there ever any doubt?  Blue_In_AK   Aug-16-09 12:29 PM   #49 
  - Anybody think we'll ever do anything about it?  Wiley50   Aug-16-09 12:46 PM   #54 
  - If you've read up on the Depression, you know that FDR pushed through  Lydia Leftcoast   Aug-16-09 03:33 PM   #58 
  - man, that was not a good interview  crazy_vanilla   Aug-16-09 03:40 PM   #59 

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