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181. IMO...
The time for a "Woodstock" type happening during the present era came and past with morons* reign of terror.

The one crucial element absent from the stew of insanity was the draft.

If there was a draft during morons* reign of terror, there would have been a modern version of Woodstock like event.

No draft; No outrage. No outrage; No movement.

Don't get me wrong there was still plenty of really pissed off people, myself included, but as long as "someone" else's kid was getting blown to bits, the personal toll on the general public was small.

During the woodstock era, I had a cousin and two close neighbors serving over in Viet Nam. The effect on our family was personal as it was for others in our neighborhood who also had family members serving.

The population of the US in 1969 was roughly 200 million people. The troop levels in Viet Nam was almost 500,000 soldiers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1970_United_States_Census

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/U.S._Troop_levels_in_Vietnam_...

Today, our population is 305 million and the troops in Iraq and afghanistan are roughly: 100,000 Iraq and 32,000 in Afghanistan. 132,000 soldiers.

There is no draft today, there was a draft then.

.25 percent of the pop served in Viet Nam with the over hanging threat of being drafted.

Today, .04 percent of the population is serving in the middle east with no threat of a draft.

Now, don't get me wrong, I want us out of both countries and have stated many times in the past via my posts, however, given the stats above, people wonder why there is no massive protests on the scale that was seen during the Viet Nam era?

Simple, this war is a war fought through media and propaganda. Hear me out, the same was tried during Viet Nam, but there wasn't 24 hour news filled with corporate shills that "crafted" the news to fit the story. There weren't corporate controlled newspapers that were more concerned with getting ad revenue then putting out a story. Back then, the reported stories are what made people read and buy the papers.

Today, people can tune in or jump on the net to get very bias news to fit their mentality. Back then, all the news was reported whether the white house or the general public liked it or not.

To me, Woodstock, although a concert was a protest. A protest against the prevailing winds of nationalism. Yes, there were drugs, sex and whatever else, but given the fact that these same attendees could also be looking down the business end of a rifle because of the draft, the sense of release, living for the moment, an "carefree" attitude was evident and needed.

Many similarities can be made between today's wars and Viet Nam, but in the end, the stats prove the fact that: less people are directly effected and there is no draft.

There were demonstrations a few years ago, during morons* rule, but were are those protests now? We still have troops in both nations, people are still being blown to bits and the level of soldiers are increasing in Afghanistan. So, were are the protests? Is the difference now is that there was a high functioning moron* as president then, and now we have a president that is intelligent and someone we wanted and wasn't appointed?

That's for a longer post.

To me, Woodstock was necessary. If Woodstock didn't happen, it just would have happened someplace else.
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  Yes, Woodstock was cooler than anything you whipper snappers will ever do! edhopper  Aug-15-09 07:27 PM   #0 
   So the pendulum swings all the way to the other side.  liberalmuse   Aug-15-09 07:28 PM   #1 
   I never spent a single moment wishing I was at Woodstock  TayTay   Aug-15-09 11:18 PM   #82 
   Just a concert....  Taverner   Aug-15-09 07:29 PM   #2 
   Yeah, it was just a party -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 07:33 PM   #4 
   my 8th birthday was better  Teaser   Aug-15-09 07:46 PM   #9 
   That's good, hon -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 07:49 PM   #10 
   Nah, cause then I discovered Pansy Division  Teaser   Aug-15-09 07:50 PM   #12 
   Oh, you poor little thing. Did Yanni perform?  aquart   Aug-15-09 08:08 PM   #22 
      No. Black Flag.  Teaser   Aug-15-09 11:23 PM   #86 
         Woooo!LA Punk '79 beats Woodstock Hippie mush '69 any day of the week for me.  RandomKoolzip   Aug-16-09 12:24 PM   #152 
            Absolutely! (n/t)  mitchum   Aug-16-09 12:28 PM   #153 
               My "woodstock" was The Clash at Shay Stadium. :) nt  Javaman   Aug-17-09 10:13 AM   #178 
                  Fuck yes  PVnRT   Aug-17-09 10:18 AM   #179 
                  Mine was "X" at the Club 88  DBoon   Aug-17-09 01:06 PM   #193 
   successive generations will never have that  CountAllVotes   Aug-15-09 08:01 PM   #18 
   That's right -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 08:31 PM   #26 
   even with the Vietnam War, etc.  CountAllVotes   Aug-15-09 08:46 PM   #30 
   Every time I see the White House  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 09:25 PM   #38 
   yes I remember it all only too well  CountAllVotes   Aug-15-09 09:40 PM   #43 
      Yeah and how did we get to this sad state exactly?  Indenturedebtor   Aug-16-09 05:52 AM   #144 
         if I had an answer to your question  CountAllVotes   Aug-16-09 01:32 PM   #157 
            I haven't written thousands yet, but work along the same lines  Indenturedebtor   Aug-16-09 06:46 PM   #160 
   It was a special - almost magical - time  Chemisse   Aug-15-09 10:03 PM   #59 
   People are talking about it 40 years later because all you hippies keep jabbering on  petronius   Aug-15-09 09:14 PM   #36 
      Ha.............  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 09:26 PM   #39 
      Um I raise you a Radiohead and a Stone Temple Pilots...  Taverner   Aug-15-09 09:48 PM   #51 
      Yeah -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 10:02 PM   #58 
         Wow, there is that Boomer narcissism, again.  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 12:44 AM   #110 
            Our music is still being played -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:46 AM   #111 
            I think everyone agrees most of the music since the LATE 90s blows chunks.  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-17-09 02:31 AM   #167 
            Point being, early 90s music certainly blows away anything in the 70s.  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-17-09 04:07 AM   #173 
            It's still being played because playing it helps to sell you people shit you don't need.  LeftyMom   Aug-17-09 02:47 AM   #168 
            No kidding. They fuck up the country and talk shit about the adults who'll have to clean up after  Indenturedebtor   Aug-16-09 05:39 AM   #142 
            +1  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 12:19 PM   #151 
            Good for you, man! There are kids on youtube who don't even know who Kurt Cobain is.  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-17-09 02:23 AM   #165 
      That's a shame. I'm Gen X, and I think our music is great and our  Liquorice   Aug-16-09 12:01 AM   #94 
      As I said elsewhere,  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:04 AM   #96 
         I think the problem is, many Gen Xers criticised the hippies which has caused bad blood.  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-17-09 02:50 AM   #169 
      Green Day? Nirvana? Bad?  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 12:42 AM   #108 
         Nirvana?  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:44 AM   #109 
         They are every much as good as Joplin and Hendrix.  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 12:48 AM   #113 
            Good - -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:52 AM   #116 
         Anyone who doesn't know the genius of Nirvana and Green Day has no aesthetic judgment. nt  Liquorice   Aug-16-09 02:01 AM   #127 
            WORD!!!  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 02:17 AM   # 
               And anyhow, Green Day, like Tom Petty, did their best work ten years later  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-17-09 03:04 AM   #171 
      You're just jealous....  femrap   Aug-15-09 09:39 PM   #42 
         It's time to mellow out and help your neighbors  CountAllVotes   Aug-15-09 09:42 PM   #46 
         I don't know....  femrap   Aug-17-09 12:44 PM   #191 
         Who says we DON'T help our neighbors?  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 12:49 AM   #114 
         I didn't say  femrap   Aug-17-09 12:42 PM   #190 
         Don't assume that you know anything about growing up in the 80's and 90's  Indenturedebtor   Aug-16-09 05:51 AM   #143 
         Guess growing up under  femrap   Aug-17-09 12:39 PM   #189 
         Yep, you guys personally invented all those things. No other young people ever had sex or did drugs.  LeftyMom   Aug-17-09 02:51 AM   #170 
            I think it's more because . . .  HughBeaumont   Aug-17-09 09:38 AM   #177 
            No, you didn't  femrap   Aug-17-09 12:31 PM   #187 
               Thank you for the further illustration of what everybody has been saying.  LeftyMom   Aug-17-09 02:56 PM   #194 
                  Hey.....are you out there  femrap   Aug-17-09 03:25 PM   #195 
                     Yep, I'm a Heritage Foundation plant. I drive an SUV. I have never eaten organic food.  LeftyMom   Aug-17-09 04:16 PM   #196 
                        Lefty...I lived those same years.  femrap   Aug-17-09 06:58 PM   #201 
   Huh????  Taverner   Aug-15-09 09:47 PM   #50 
      The Dead -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 10:03 PM   #60 
      Wait, you're touting the music at Woodstock but slamming the Dead? AND you tried playing  KittyWampus   Aug-15-09 10:24 PM   #66 
      Sure, they were -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 10:47 PM   #68 
         Wait, You don't think guy on street knows Truckin' but will know a Joe Cocker tune?  KittyWampus   Aug-15-09 11:02 PM   #77 
            Actually, I'm a big fan of Bob Weir,  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 11:56 PM   #92 
      You are slamming the GRATEFUL DEAD!?!  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 12:55 AM   #117 
      Tell you what............  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 01:20 AM   #123 
      Changed the world?  Telly Savalas   Aug-16-09 10:06 AM   #148 
         Sorry, but your ignorance is on full display -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:58 PM   #155 
         "You guys"? Nixon beat Humphrey by 0.7% in 1968  SOS   Aug-16-09 01:08 PM   #156 
      No shit. I went to several generations of Dead concerts AND various punk rock venues  KittyWampus   Aug-15-09 10:22 PM   #65 
   actually, I attended MULTIPLE parties pretty much just like it- but with toilets. Grateful Dead  KittyWampus   Aug-15-09 10:19 PM   #63 
   Really?  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 10:52 PM   #72 
      So Woodstock was all about how many people attended? Funny, I thought it was the Ethos.  KittyWampus   Aug-15-09 10:59 PM   #75 
         Honey,  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 11:57 PM   #93 
   Right on.  ohheckyeah   Aug-16-09 01:57 AM   #126 
   Then you miss the signficance....  DCBob   Aug-15-09 09:07 PM   #35 
   I toured with the Dead and Phish for a while  Taverner   Aug-15-09 09:46 PM   #49 
   Grant Park In 1968 was the place to be,  Oldtimeralso   Aug-17-09 02:12 AM   #164 
   alright grandpa  dana_b   Aug-15-09 07:31 PM   #3 
   You got to see Sha Na Na, you lucky bastard.  billyoc   Aug-15-09 07:34 PM   #5 
   Their sequence in the film is fantastically presented and edited. nt  Captain Hilts   Aug-15-09 07:36 PM   #6 
   Sha-Na-Na stole my hubcap!!  MindPilot   Aug-15-09 07:43 PM   #7 
   Back in MY day, we had real MUSIC!!....  hwmnbn   Aug-15-09 07:46 PM   #8 
   Back in my day we had FUGAZI.  Teaser   Aug-15-09 07:49 PM   #11 
   Oh, honey -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 08:32 PM   #28 
   You're a condescending blowhard, you know that?  RandomKoolzip   Aug-17-09 02:04 AM   #163 
   Revolution Summer 85 - Fort Reno 1999! "OUR BAND COULD BE YOUR LIFE"  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-17-09 03:15 AM   #172 
   Revolution Summer 85 - Fort Reno 1999! "OUR BAND COULD BE YOUR LIFE"  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-17-09 04:23 AM   #174 
   Hey Gramps, I'm on your lawn!  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 12:57 AM   #119 
   LOL  polichick   Aug-15-09 07:50 PM   #13 
   I dunno... what about the Jonas Brothers?  Curtland1015   Aug-15-09 07:52 PM   #14 
   Thanks for the laugh...  femrap   Aug-15-09 09:41 PM   #44 
      I don't know but they certainly pay homage to the great innovaters of the 60s  Telly Savalas   Aug-16-09 10:14 AM   #149 
   Clean Acid and easily curable venereal disease, it was too easy back in the olden days.  Umbral   Aug-15-09 07:54 PM   #15 
   I think Woodstock was a conspiracy.. Filmed in a studio.  tridim   Aug-15-09 07:55 PM   #16 
   DAMN ! I knew someone would finally catch on  abq e streeter   Aug-15-09 07:59 PM   #17 
   Yes, but to be fair, the government had no choice. They had to beat Russia...  Curtland1015   Aug-15-09 08:04 PM   #21 
      The Germans tried to crack the code, with little success. Finally, a team of scientists...  Leopolds Ghost   Aug-17-09 06:32 AM   #175 
   Just like  femrap   Aug-15-09 09:42 PM   #47 
   I was at Woodstock in 1970  Canuckistanian   Aug-15-09 08:02 PM   #19 
   A year really makes a difference, doesn't it?  aquart   Aug-15-09 08:09 PM   #24 
      MUCH better parking,  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 02:24 AM   #132 
   I remember my father mocking Woodstock.  rug   Aug-15-09 08:03 PM   #20 
   and saving the world from Hitler was cooler than anything  AllentownJake   Aug-15-09 08:09 PM   #23 
   Read the OP again -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 08:32 PM   #27 
      No my grandparents did  AllentownJake   Aug-15-09 11:02 PM   #76 
         Dear, the point of the OP was about  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 11:42 PM   #89 
            I know  AllentownJake   Aug-16-09 06:50 PM   #161 
               You failed -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 11:24 PM   #162 
                  Every generation thinks they'll do something more awesome than their parents  AllentownJake   Aug-18-09 08:07 AM   #202 
   Not interested  Taitertots   Aug-15-09 08:12 PM   #25 
   with a social movement I don't support....?  Tuesday Afternoon   Aug-15-09 09:16 PM   #37 
   That figures.....after all you  femrap   Aug-15-09 09:44 PM   #48 
      I play golf?  Taitertots   Aug-15-09 11:14 PM   #81 
         But have the shared experience you can use to tell yourself your better than everybody else.  Telly Savalas   Aug-16-09 10:16 AM   #150 
         On your hobbies,  femrap   Aug-17-09 12:33 PM   #188 
   Yeah, nothing says accomplishment like consumption  mitchum   Aug-15-09 08:34 PM   #29 
   I heard that Michael Lang, one of the organizers of the festival,  SCRUBDASHRUB   Aug-15-09 08:52 PM   #32 
      interestig  dana_b   Aug-15-09 09:56 PM   #53 
         really? then why was the face value on my CSN ticket from last Friday only $45  onenote   Aug-17-09 11:29 AM   #182 
   We used to say I don't care if i never grow old;  John Q. Citizen   Aug-15-09 08:52 PM   #31 
   OK get this - My hubby was in Vietnam & heard from a guy that used to be a NYC disk jokey -  1776Forever   Aug-15-09 08:55 PM   #33 
   Those tapes have to be very interesting -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 09:28 PM   #40 
   Made my night, edhopper!  jhain   Aug-15-09 08:59 PM   #34 
   Didn't the younguns  femrap   Aug-15-09 09:35 PM   #41 
   my kid and I watched the VH1 show and  dana_b   Aug-15-09 10:00 PM   #56 
   Isn't that something?  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 10:06 PM   #61 
      yeah, it would be nice  dana_b   Aug-15-09 10:14 PM   #62 
      Somewhere,  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-15-09 10:50 PM   #70 
         the Dead  dana_b   Aug-15-09 11:03 PM   #78 
         So, was the Grateful Dead  Spirochete   Aug-17-09 04:54 PM   #198 
      I have some very, very fond memories  ohheckyeah   Aug-16-09 02:03 AM   #128 
         You know what?  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 02:13 AM   #129 
            I'm with you in spirit my friend.  ohheckyeah   Aug-16-09 02:17 AM   #130 
               I'm trying to think of who is as good -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 02:22 AM   #131 
                  Moody Blues! n/t  billh58   Aug-16-09 02:27 AM   #133 
                  Oh, YES, YES, YES!!!!  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 02:35 AM   #134 
                     Thanks  billh58   Aug-16-09 02:41 AM   #136 
                        I was thinking that the other day -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 02:47 AM   #138 
                           Yep.  billh58   Aug-16-09 03:19 AM   #140 
                              That's the secret!  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 03:33 AM   #141 
                  I wish I were too  ohheckyeah   Aug-16-09 02:40 AM   #135 
                     I remember being alone in a beachfront hotel  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 02:45 AM   #137 
                        What a great story.  ohheckyeah   Aug-16-09 03:02 AM   #139 
   That would be the third Woodstock, organized by the original organizers  PVnRT   Aug-17-09 10:22 AM   #180 
      So there was one in '94 and  femrap   Aug-17-09 12:26 PM   #186 
   I missed Woodstock, but  GliderGuider   Aug-15-09 09:41 PM   #45 
   May '68? Psh, did Sha-Na-Na play?  ContinentalOp   Aug-15-09 11:19 PM   #83 
   I was 10  liberal N proud   Aug-15-09 09:49 PM   #52 
   Damn straight edhopper. I was 20. What a summer that was.  Greybnk48   Aug-15-09 09:58 PM   #54 
   Whippersnappers is one word.  Brigid   Aug-15-09 10:00 PM   #55 
   Whippersnappers is one word.  Brigid   Aug-15-09 10:00 PM   #57 
   I'm not sure how many people there are in this country  DefenseLawyer   Aug-15-09 10:21 PM   # 
   it seems that way, doesn't it??  dana_b   Aug-15-09 10:49 PM   #69 
   and the same number voted for Kennedy over Nixon.  KittyWampus   Aug-15-09 11:08 PM   #79 
      slim margin n/t  dana_b   Aug-15-09 11:20 PM   #85 
      Actually,  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:06 AM   #98 
   We weren't -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:05 AM   #97 
   It was supposed to be held in Woodstock  The Wizard   Aug-15-09 10:21 PM   #64 
   Yawn. I time-traveled to 1969, they confiscated my iphone (buggers!), and  Deja Q   Aug-15-09 10:26 PM   #67 
   We voted Obama!  mdmc   Aug-15-09 10:52 PM   #71 
   Were you ever at the Mab in the mid 70's?  asdjrocky   Aug-15-09 10:54 PM   #73 
   yeah the free love was all well and good  Froward69   Aug-15-09 10:57 PM   #74 
   you make me feel so young !!! nt  crazy_vanilla   Aug-15-09 11:10 PM   #80 
   HEY MAN...  -..__...   Aug-15-09 11:19 PM   #84 
   thanks for more angry hate from your generation  Johonny   Aug-15-09 11:23 PM   #87 
   The youth of today elected Barack Obama... The Woodstock generation couldn't even beat fucking Nixon  scheming daemons   Aug-15-09 11:38 PM   #88 
   Be serious, scheming.  Condem   Aug-15-09 11:45 PM   #90 
   Actually, we're  billh58   Aug-15-09 11:56 PM   #91 
   If you elected JFK, that meant you had to have been at least 21 in 1960...  mitchum   Aug-16-09 12:13 AM   #99 
   And your point?  billh58   Aug-16-09 12:21 AM   #101 
      I was just doing the math...  mitchum   Aug-16-09 12:24 AM   #103 
         Sorry about the flame  billh58   Aug-16-09 12:27 AM   #104 
            No need to apologize...  mitchum   Aug-16-09 12:29 AM   #105 
   For every Bluto Blutarski  Homer Wells   Aug-17-09 08:51 AM   #176 
   Your ignorance is showing, dear heart -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:01 AM   #95 
      Shame on you for letting our school system go to shit  Indenturedebtor   Aug-16-09 06:02 AM   #145 
         That's good -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:56 PM   #154 
            Hyperbole :D n/t  Indenturedebtor   Aug-16-09 06:41 PM   #159 
   I was only 9 years old so my mom wouldn't let me go  donheld   Aug-16-09 12:17 AM   #100 
   Oh the fighting generations....we all did good things and bad things. I was born in '75.  Jennicut   Aug-16-09 12:23 AM   #102 
   Ahh  billh58   Aug-16-09 12:30 AM   #106 
   True. No one generation was perfect or completely awful.  Jennicut   Aug-16-09 12:50 AM   #115 
   Where did your mother go to college?  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 12:48 AM   #112 
      Chamberlain Junior College in Boston  Jennicut   Aug-16-09 12:57 AM   #118 
         Whew -  Tangerine LaBamba   Aug-16-09 01:19 AM   #122 
   The Boomers' "we are better than everyone else and the crown of creation" crap is BS.  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 12:36 AM   #107 
   Count yourself lucky, though...  mitchum   Aug-16-09 01:08 AM   #121 
   LOL! Thanks!  Odin2005   Aug-16-09 01:31 AM   #124 
   A couple of decades to scramble around and try to save a few animals and people  Indenturedebtor   Aug-16-09 06:05 AM   #146 
   It's bad enough to have repuke trolls infesting DU. Now we have the anti boomer trolls here.  L0oniX   Aug-17-09 11:59 AM   #185 
   oh, I doubt that  fishwax   Aug-16-09 01:02 AM   #120 
   I'm an Xer who loves 60's and 70's music.  FatDave   Aug-16-09 01:52 AM   #125 
   Really? What defines fun?  glowing   Aug-16-09 07:51 AM   #147 
   "There can only be one truly great festival a lifetime and it's the US Festival!" - Homer Simpson  bbernardini   Aug-16-09 01:33 PM   #158 
   People will argue about anything  ohheckyeah   Aug-17-09 02:24 AM   #166 
   IMO...  Javaman   Aug-17-09 10:51 AM   #181 
   what made Woodstock cooler than anything since is the diversity of the music  onenote   Aug-17-09 11:33 AM   #183 
   I graduated from HS in 1969. I was working on a golf course to make money for college.  yellowcanine   Aug-17-09 11:54 AM   #184 
   Great thread  robdogbucky   Aug-17-09 12:55 PM   #192 
   It was cooler!  sonofspy777   Aug-17-09 04:44 PM   #197 
   It's too bad people's aversion to religious proselytizing  kentauros   Aug-17-09 05:15 PM   #199 
   Speaking of which....new woodstock footage never seen before...  Evoman   Aug-17-09 06:19 PM   #200 
   It draws the same IMO, distasteful "click" mentality that the death of Michael Jackson  ShortnFiery   Aug-18-09 08:14 AM   #203 
   I don't know...I've had some pretty cool experiences...  brendan120678   Aug-18-09 08:16 AM   #204 
 

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