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141. Well, if you come to Florida and many other states...
you will find many people who legally carry concealed weapons and statistics show that they present very little danger.

I agree that "one guy with a gun is plenty dangerous". But I would also say that one criminal with a gun who is free to prey on unarmed individuals is even more dangerous.

There are plenty of newspaper reports that show that armed individuals with carry permits do stop criminal attacks. Even more newspaper reports show that armed homeowners often successfully stop home invasions.

Obviously the man you mentioned had severe mental problems. He did kill a number of women because he couldn't find one dumb enough to associate with him.

Is the solution to ban all firearms?

I would disagree. My daughter used a large caliber revolver to stop an intruder breaking into our home. He was prying a sliding glass door open and was halfway in when she confronted him. He said that he planned to rape her. She pointed the revolver at him. He left.

I have two wonderful grandchildren to enjoy today that may never have been born had my daughter died that night.
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  -If one guy with a gun has put you into this much of a panic, you scare too easily. SidneyCarton  Aug-12-09 01:19 PM   #0 
  - Well put. Pleased to be the first to Recommend this post.  ThomWV   Aug-12-09 01:20 PM   #1 
  - Excellent post.  Codeine   Aug-12-09 01:22 PM   #2 
  - Very well said and reasoned. K&R  Mira   Aug-12-09 01:25 PM   #3 
  - Yay- great post, I agree  zippy890   Aug-12-09 01:30 PM   #4 
  - No one is going to take away your gun. OK. But don't tell us to not fear for Pres Obama's life.  rhett o rick   Aug-12-09 01:30 PM   #5 
  - First off, I don't own a gun.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 01:35 PM   #9 
     - I appologize for the shot about the gun. I disagree with your post because many of us are scared  rhett o rick   Aug-13-09 09:34 AM   #128 
  - That states it as well as anyone could  tularetom   Aug-12-09 01:33 PM   #6 
  - The Secret Service is overburdened enough. They shouldn't have to be watching  pnwmom   Aug-12-09 01:35 PM   #7 
  - Agreed. n/t  SusanaMontana41   Aug-12-09 05:50 PM   #95 
  - Fear him? His picture should be everywhere.  napoleon_in_rags   Aug-12-09 01:35 PM   #8 
  - Tell that to George Sodini's victims  ecstatic   Aug-12-09 01:37 PM   #10 
  - George Sodini concealed his weapons in a gym bag....  Statistical   Aug-12-09 01:39 PM   #13 
  - At this moment the safest people in our nation sit in Super Max Federal Prisons.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 01:41 PM   #15 
  - +1 when was the last time someone open carried a weapon in clear view for a good couple hours...  Statistical   Aug-12-09 01:38 PM   #11 
  - You Totally Ignore The Real Motivation Of That Guy In NH.  Paladin   Aug-12-09 01:51 PM   #27 
     - Or his real motivation was to make the Democrats go insane about guns.  Statistical   Aug-12-09 01:55 PM   #33 
     - "Sunk in 2010"?  Codeine   Aug-12-09 02:10 PM   #54 
     - A reasonable point, but...  anigbrowl   Aug-12-09 02:42 PM   #73 
        - I totally agree with you. nt  Codeine   Aug-12-09 02:44 PM   #74 
     - +1  anigbrowl   Aug-12-09 02:27 PM   #63 
     - Bingo. +1. NT  Recursion   Aug-12-09 02:41 PM   #72 
     - No, what republicans want is the president gone...and if you don't believe  AuntPatsy   Aug-13-09 09:39 PM   #147 
     - So, one chooses to be intimidated or not.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:00 PM   #40 
     - Hell has frozen over  Missy Vixen   Aug-12-09 03:04 PM   #78 
     - Does Capitalizing Every Word In Your Subject Make You Cool? n/t  X_Digger   Aug-12-09 05:19 PM   #91 
     - Bull. He was exercising his 1st & 2nd Amendment rights.  madeline_con   Aug-12-09 09:37 PM   #103 
  - I would say that yours is faulty thinking.  Joe Fields   Aug-12-09 01:39 PM   #12 
  - How near to the President was Mr. Kostric, really?  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 01:43 PM   #18 
  - You are taking this issue literally, and there are more subtle  Joe Fields   Aug-12-09 01:50 PM   #25 
     - Yes, there are serious undercurrents here.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 01:55 PM   #34 
        - "the need to turn everything into a crisis of Munich-style proportions"  Codeine   Aug-12-09 02:12 PM   #56 
        - I strongly agree. Hyperbole is poisonous to political discourse  anigbrowl   Aug-12-09 02:33 PM   #67 
           - we're not talking hyperbole, and we're not talking political discourse, when  Joe Fields   Aug-14-09 12:13 AM   #158 
  - Well it really wouldn't.  Statistical   Aug-12-09 01:45 PM   #21 
  - I agree - let's not take the bait of these morans  HughMoran   Aug-12-09 01:40 PM   #14 
  - k/r  emilyg   Aug-12-09 01:42 PM   #16 
  - Reposting my marginal post :)...  SidDithers   Aug-12-09 01:43 PM   #17 
  - I wouldn't have had a problem with that.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 01:44 PM   #20 
  - Four years ago, the media woulda been interviewing survivors, not the guy himself.  Heidi   Aug-12-09 01:44 PM   #19 
  - No, because four years ago, this guy wouldn't have done anything too.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 01:52 PM   #29 
  - Say whatever the fuck you want, my opinion on gun control laws is forever changed  WeDidIt   Aug-12-09 01:49 PM   #22 
  - Then you are very easily swayed.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 01:49 PM   #24 
  - Nope, not at all  WeDidIt   Aug-12-09 01:51 PM   #26 
     - If they're all as toothless as this guy, I will sit back and laugh.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 01:56 PM   #37 
     - When it's a hundred assholes  WeDidIt   Aug-12-09 01:57 PM   #38 
        - That's a chilling thought.  TwilightGardener   Aug-12-09 01:58 PM   #39 
        - And we will have a martyr and a civil war.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:01 PM   #43 
        - Another civil war in this country...  skypilot   Aug-12-09 02:04 PM   #46 
           - True.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:06 PM   #48 
        - Never seen real concentration of force.. Impressive..  Pavulon   Aug-12-09 09:45 PM   #110 
     - I'm American, so screw you.  madeline_con   Aug-12-09 09:41 PM   #107 
     - The thing of it is,  PSzymeczek   Aug-12-09 10:14 PM   #115 
  - Wow. It took 9/11 to make most others abandon our rights.  Codeine   Aug-12-09 02:13 PM   #59 
  - doesn't take much anymore, does it?  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:21 PM   #62 
  - NO open carry, NO concealed carry  WeDidIt   Aug-12-09 03:06 PM   #80 
  - Frightened children scared of a bucktoothed dipshit.  Codeine   Aug-12-09 03:56 PM   #81 
  - Fuck that noise  WeDidIt   Aug-12-09 04:43 PM   #85 
     - And lose every election for the foreseeable future. nt  Codeine   Aug-12-09 09:27 PM   #99 
     - See drug war, with that first partner, then take on the big fish.(nt)  Pavulon   Aug-12-09 09:47 PM   #112 
  - Crime doesn't always happen at home.  madeline_con   Aug-12-09 09:43 PM   #108 
  - Well, abandon some of them, anyway  Posteritatis   Aug-12-09 09:41 PM   #106 
  - I oppose farting in public..  Pavulon   Aug-12-09 09:40 PM   #105 
  - Here was one poseur with a gun in a tactical holster, whom everyone  Obamanaut   Aug-12-09 01:49 PM   #23 
  - WAIT !!!  ashling   Aug-12-09 01:51 PM   #28 
  - Now there you go...  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:01 PM   #44 
  - Time to unrecommend...guns and violatile emotions are a bad mix...  joeybee12   Aug-12-09 01:52 PM   #30 
  - I'm not fucking scared  varelse   Aug-12-09 01:52 PM   #31 
  - They want you to be angry.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:05 PM   #47 
  - It's a nutcase signaling to other nutcases that they, too, can and should do this.  TwilightGardener   Aug-12-09 01:53 PM   #32 
  - That's what I believe...  misanthrope   Aug-12-09 01:56 PM   #36 
  - It was absolutely a dog whistle! n/t  PSzymeczek   Aug-12-09 10:16 PM   #116 
  - And for his trouble he got hauled in front of Tweety, and made to look like an ass.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:07 PM   #49 
  - No, he got fifteen minutes of fame and attention. That's what RW nutz cherish.  TwilightGardener   Aug-12-09 02:09 PM   #52 
     - Right, and Kim Jong Il scored a huge propaganda coup...er, not  anigbrowl   Aug-12-09 02:39 PM   #70 
        - Er, in their own minds, they are (scoring a coup). Normal people don't want infamy.  TwilightGardener   Aug-12-09 02:45 PM   #75 
           - Who cares about inside their own minds? What matters is how it affects their public standing  anigbrowl   Aug-12-09 05:03 PM   #89 
  - Yep! He wants to stir the shit and it is working. nt  kelly1mm   Aug-12-09 08:42 PM   #97 
  - I don't know about anyone else here...  skypilot   Aug-12-09 01:56 PM   #35 
  - Ditto. But gun worshippers would rather these extremists be able to stock up on guns than that there  katandmoon   Aug-12-09 02:09 PM   #51 
  - But that isn't one guy with one gun.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:10 PM   #53 
     - As far as I'm concerned...  skypilot   Aug-12-09 02:19 PM   #60 
        - Fair enough, hence my crack about how intimately he was being observed.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:20 PM   #61 
  - We tried to reason this yesterday  nadinbrzezinski   Aug-12-09 02:00 PM   #41 
  - And when 1 becomes 1,000 the SS will have to stick them in a pen, then watch the shit fly.  Stevenmarc   Aug-12-09 02:01 PM   #42 
  - When 1 becomes 1,000 this ceases to be an issue for the Secret Service  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:13 PM   #58 
     - The Posse Comitatus Act says otherwise  Hippo_Tron   Aug-14-09 03:19 PM   #171 
  - I'm also scared of rabid dogs-you're stupid if you aren't.  Swede   Aug-12-09 02:04 PM   #45 
  - Indeed, yet if one panics around a rabid dog, one runs an even greater risk of getting attacked.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:11 PM   #55 
  - And yet if he had displayed his DICK (what the gun is a substitute for) he WOULD have been arrested.  katandmoon   Aug-12-09 02:07 PM   #50 
  - One cannot display that which is too small to be observed. n/t  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:12 PM   #57 
  - So, in the event of a home invasion, and you think your well-being  Obamanaut   Aug-12-09 04:41 PM   #84 
  - If it were a car, I'd say  PSzymeczek   Aug-12-09 10:20 PM   #118 
  - It's the guy with the gun you DON't see, but  ashling   Aug-12-09 02:29 PM   #64 
  - It only takes one.  Maru Kitteh   Aug-12-09 02:29 PM   #65 
  - Yes, and that is why we have to consider the way we react.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:39 PM   #71 
  - Biblical, prophetic, deifying. n/t  newtothegame   Aug-12-09 02:33 PM   #66 
  - "than Gisele Bundchen is when she sunbathes on the Riviera"  redqueen   Aug-12-09 02:35 PM   #68 
  - Ok, I needed a similie that connoted voyeurism...  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:37 PM   #69 
  - Damn straight  gratuitous   Aug-12-09 02:48 PM   #76 
  - So what exactly do you propose?  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 02:51 PM   #77 
     - Jeez, you can't even agree with someone anymore!  gratuitous   Aug-12-09 03:06 PM   # 
     - I'm not looking for repeal or a major reworking,  PSzymeczek   Aug-12-09 10:25 PM   #121 
  - It's not the specific situation- although that is bad enough  depakid   Aug-12-09 03:06 PM   #79 
  - I fit the "gun nut" descriptor  TheKentuckian   Aug-12-09 04:08 PM   #82 
  - I don't disagree, this fool wanted to show that he was willing to take it to the next level.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 04:16 PM   #83 
  - Yup  TxRider   Aug-12-09 04:49 PM   #86 
  - Respectfully disagree.  H2O Man   Aug-12-09 04:53 PM   #87 
  - Fair enough.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 05:14 PM   #90 
     - I think that you  H2O Man   Aug-12-09 05:56 PM   #96 
        - Very disturbing parallels there.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 09:14 PM   #98 
        - You need to understand something which I am not sure that you do...  AuntPatsy   Aug-13-09 09:53 PM   #151 
           - But history never perfectly repeats itself.  SidneyCarton   Aug-13-09 10:00 PM   #153 
              - I am not automatically assuming anything, My assumption comes from not only  AuntPatsy   Aug-13-09 11:00 PM   #154 
                 - I am indeed young, so cut me some slack here.  SidneyCarton   Aug-14-09 12:15 PM   #160 
                    - It actually has happened  H2O Man   Aug-14-09 12:33 PM   #165 
                       - Good point, I overlooked that situation.  SidneyCarton   Aug-14-09 12:42 PM   #167 
        - Why is this not an OP?  Uzybone   Aug-13-09 09:45 PM   #149 
        - I agree and second your suggestion, if H2Oman obliges, I think this would be an excellent OP.  SidneyCarton   Aug-14-09 12:20 PM   #164 
        - Two things:  H2O Man   Aug-14-09 12:36 PM   #166 
        - exactly, why is this so hard to understand for some?  AuntPatsy   Aug-13-09 09:49 PM   #150 
  - I don't think you are emotional enough.  Tim01   Aug-12-09 04:55 PM   #88 
  - I don't panic and I don't scare easily.  asdjrocky   Aug-12-09 05:20 PM   #92 
  - I'm pissed too.  SidneyCarton   Aug-12-09 05:33 PM   #93 
  - lol...  fascisthunter   Aug-12-09 05:48 PM   #94 
  - This WILL escalate. How many protesters will show up "packing" in Montana and Colorado?  Fla Dem   Aug-12-09 09:31 PM   #100 
  - Who tha fuck cares, wake me up when a gun goes off.  Pavulon   Aug-12-09 09:46 PM   #111 
  - Will do.  Hassin Bin Sober   Aug-12-09 09:59 PM   #114 
  - yeah, you'd prolly be first to wet your pants, bro.  bettyellen   Aug-13-09 12:38 PM   #137 
     - Yes from fear of a moron with a gun..  Pavulon   Aug-13-09 05:01 PM   #142 
  - A gun fell out of a guy's pocket or holster (accounts vary)  PSzymeczek   Aug-12-09 10:30 PM   #122 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-12-09 09:32 PM   #101 
  - Enjoy your pizza you racist piece of shit.  SIMPLYB1980   Aug-12-09 09:50 PM   #113 
     - Delete, misplaced.  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 10:22 PM   #119 
     - I would love to know what was said there  TK421   Aug-13-09 09:58 AM   #130 
  - ::::tap tap tap:::: ...... s'cuse me ....... erm ........  Stinky The Clown   Aug-12-09 09:36 PM   #102 
  - I usually don't rec *or* unrec, but I'm gonna make an exception. K&R (nt)  Posteritatis   Aug-12-09 09:37 PM   #104 
  - Reading threats is not panicking. n/t  EFerrari   Aug-12-09 09:44 PM   #109 
  - only takes one bullet my friend.  spanone   Aug-12-09 10:18 PM   #117 
  - True. The idiot had no chance to fire that one bullet. (n/t)  spin   Aug-12-09 10:32 PM   #123 
     - What if there were 20 idiots with a gun?  W_HAMILTON   Aug-13-09 07:38 AM   #127 
        - Interesting question...  spin   Aug-13-09 09:49 AM   #129 
        - I know that...  W_HAMILTON   Aug-13-09 01:11 PM   #138 
           - In normal times...  spin   Aug-13-09 02:12 PM   #140 
              - I hold your same fears....  AuntPatsy   Aug-13-09 09:56 PM   #152 
        - Not going to happen.  Pavulon   Aug-13-09 05:02 PM   #144 
           - I would think they wouldn't allow even one person...  W_HAMILTON   Aug-13-09 11:57 PM   #155 
              - He was not in the vicinity (ie range of the weapon he had)  Pavulon   Aug-14-09 02:58 PM   #168 
  - Well said!  proteus_lives   Aug-12-09 10:24 PM   #120 
  - so you have no real sense of perspective and speculate that if Obama dies it would be unfortunate?  bettyellen   Aug-13-09 07:26 AM   #124 
  - How many times does "one guy with a gun" have to kill a crowd of people before we stop acting like  dorkulon   Aug-13-09 07:30 AM   #125 
  - Well, if you come to Florida and many other states...  spin   Aug-13-09 02:31 PM   #141 
  - I'm afraid of being snapped in two pieces by a great white shark in the  saltpoint   Aug-13-09 07:30 AM   #126 
  - Just Arm Yourselves  LeFleur1   Aug-13-09 10:03 AM   #131 
     - "America, Show Us Your Guns!"  Sparkly   Aug-13-09 10:04 AM   #132 
     - You all just shoot it out without me.  saltpoint   Aug-13-09 09:32 PM   #145 
  - you must be young  ensho   Aug-13-09 10:46 AM   #133 
  - especially if he assumes it would be easy for the country to move on from it- how foolish that is  bettyellen   Aug-13-09 11:27 AM   #136 
  - I'm don't agree with you that Prez. O isn't afraid- he's  Bluerthanblue   Aug-13-09 10:53 AM   #134 
  - He was an arrogant asshole...  kentuck   Aug-13-09 11:17 AM   #135 
  - I'm very pro-gun...  spin   Aug-13-09 01:20 PM   #139 
     - I have several guns but this guy is still stupid and arrogant...  kentuck   Aug-14-09 12:09 AM   #157 
        - Agreed. (n/t)  spin   Aug-15-09 02:42 AM   #174 
  - There's a man with a gun over there  deaniac21   Aug-13-09 05:02 PM   #143 
  - I'm not sure I agree with you, I don't think his attention was to install fear, I believe his  AuntPatsy   Aug-13-09 09:36 PM   #146 
  - It was just a gun, he had a tactical semi automatic holster.  deaniac21   Aug-13-09 09:43 PM   #148 
  - No offense, but look at how much damage "one man with a gun"  johnaries   Aug-14-09 12:01 AM   #156 
  - And indeed he was watched, intimately.  SidneyCarton   Aug-14-09 12:19 PM   #162 
     - Then I will admit, I am a little confused by your post and I would appreciate  johnaries   Aug-14-09 08:47 PM   #172 
  - I Was Gonna Bash This Thread At First Reading, But...  ConnorMarc   Aug-14-09 12:19 AM   #159 
  - By law they could... and if they did, the situation would be very different.  SidneyCarton   Aug-14-09 12:17 PM   #161 
  - Happy to add Recommendation #20  slackmaster   Aug-14-09 12:20 PM   #163 
  - Try telling that to JFK  NNN0LHI   Aug-14-09 03:12 PM   #169 
  - This JFK?  X_Digger   Aug-14-09 09:07 PM   #173 
  - Depends on the person, and the setting  Fla_Democrat   Aug-14-09 03:13 PM   #170 
 

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