The Magistrate
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Sat Aug-01-09 02:24 AM
Response to Reply #15 |
| 16. There Are Separate Things Going On, Sir, That Should Not Be Conflated |
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Edited on Sat Aug-01-09 02:25 AM by The Magistrate
First, there is large group of political reactionaries attempting to move people to act against their own best economic and social interests by persuading them their problems are owing to the moral imperfections, mostly sexual behavior, of other people, and not to the systematic extraction of money from their pockets into those of the wealthy. In doing this, they brandish the standard of Christian faith. They proclaim it a religious duty to engage in hate speech and restrict the civil rights of many citizens by law, and protest that opposition to this, disagreement with it, any social or legal restriction on it, is interfering with their free exercise of religion, and flows only from bigotry against their religion.
Second, there is the question of genuine critique of a set of religious beliefs. People are entitled to form and hold their own beliefs on religious questions, and are under no obligation to agree with any particular body of beliefs, or to refrain from commenting on what seem to them the flaws in any body of religious beliefs. Persons who do give credit and adherence to a particular body of religious beliefs can have no reasonable expectation, and certainly have no right, to never meet with any expression of disagreement with that body of beliefs, even if that disagreement is so total as to constitute complete disrespect for their beliefs. Nor do such persons have the right to be taken seriously when they cry such expressions of disagreement with or distaste for their beliefs is simply an expression of bigotry. In the overwhelming proportion of instances, such expressions are far from bigotry: in my experience the most vigorous disdain for religious beliefs is found among people who are more familiar with the doctrines and practices they assail than the average person in the Sunday pews.
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Isn't the phrase "anti-Christian bigotry" |
ruggerson |
Jul-31-09 09:58 PM |
#0 |

and, btw |
ruggerson |
Jul-31-09 10:09 PM |
#1 |
 
Its Real Meaning, Sir, Is "Being As Critical Of Fundamentalist Christians As They Are Of Others" |
The Magistrate |
Jul-31-09 10:12 PM |
#2 |

exactly |
ruggerson |
Jul-31-09 10:13 PM |
#4 |

Except that it isn't just used against "fundamentalist Christians", Sir... |
regnaD kciN |
Jul-31-09 10:26 PM |
#5 |
 
Not Of Any Particular Interest To Me, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Jul-31-09 10:46 PM |
#7 |
  
perfectly articulated |
ruggerson |
Aug-01-09 01:10 AM |
#9 |
  
And there you have it. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-01-09 06:55 AM |
#34 |
 
What Magistrate said +1 |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Aug-01-09 06:34 AM |
#31 |
 
The problem is.. |
sendero |
Aug-01-09 10:23 PM |
#39 |

Dropping the word "fundamentalist" enhances the meaning of the phrase. |
Occulus |
Aug-01-09 02:04 AM |
#13 |

--moved downthread...intended as response to OP...sorry-- |
saltpoint |
Aug-01-09 03:52 AM |
#22 |

Quoted for Truth. |
TexasObserver |
Aug-01-09 06:49 AM |
#33 |

The majority of Americans are Christians. |
baldguy |
Jul-31-09 10:12 PM |
#3 |

If the label fits,...! Bigotry is wrong no matter the group it is directed against! |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-31-09 10:29 PM |
#6 |

Yep, like reverse racism and heterophobia. |
marmar |
Jul-31-09 10:48 PM |
#8 |

No, it's practiced here. It is bloodsport to mock Christians and their |
DainBramaged |
Aug-01-09 01:52 AM |
#10 |
 
Beliefs are changeable and some SHOULD be ridiculed. |
Ladyhawk |
Aug-01-09 02:02 AM |
#11 |

(sigh) bullshit, I don't ridicule people for NOT believing in Christianity |
DainBramaged |
Aug-01-09 02:05 AM |
#14 |

In the dozens of times I have faced down Fred Phelps and his ilk |
Bluenorthwest |
Aug-01-09 10:47 AM |
#37 |

Because I don't turn the other fucking cheek |
DainBramaged |
Aug-01-09 10:18 PM |
#38 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
Aug-01-09 10:32 PM |
#40 |

"Because I don't turn the other fucking cheek". Wasn't it Jesus the Son of God leader |
bertman |
Aug-02-09 01:30 AM |
#45 |

Help! Help! I'm being repressed! |
Ladyhawk |
Aug-01-09 02:03 AM |
#12 |
 
lol |
ruggerson |
Aug-01-09 10:19 AM |
#36 |

Yes. :) A picture is worth a thousand words. nt |
Ladyhawk |
Aug-01-09 11:36 PM |
#42 |

The problem is that (on DU at least) the criticism never stops at Right wingers. |
anonymous171 |
Aug-01-09 02:07 AM |
#15 |
 
There Are Separate Things Going On, Sir, That Should Not Be Conflated |
The Magistrate |
Aug-01-09 02:24 AM |
#16 |
  
Oh I understand the current situation. |
anonymous171 |
Aug-01-09 02:27 AM |
#17 |
  
A wheel barrow full of words defending the right of many here to be anti-Christian bigots |
DainBramaged |
Aug-01-09 02:31 AM |
#18 |
   
Each Side Uses The Tactics It Feels Best Suited To Its Situation, Sir |
The Magistrate |
Aug-01-09 02:41 AM |
#19 |
  
Find me a thread and then lecture yourself |
DainBramaged |
Aug-01-09 02:46 AM |
#20 |
  
100% agreement here. |
daedalus_dude |
Aug-01-09 06:16 AM |
#29 |
  
"disdain for religious beliefs is found among people ... familiar with the doctrines |
TexasObserver |
Aug-01-09 07:01 AM |
#35 |
 
Why should only right-wingers be criticized? |
uberllama42 |
Aug-01-09 06:36 AM |
#32 |

I just want separation of church and state (and science) |
gmoney |
Aug-01-09 02:58 AM |
#21 |

The pastor of a Texas Baptist church publicly condemned Jimmy Carter |
saltpoint |
Aug-01-09 03:59 AM |
#23 |

I've always found it interesting that most people who call themselves |
johnaries |
Aug-01-09 04:01 AM |
#24 |
 
Paul did a James Baker on the Jerusalem group. Paul likely had |
saltpoint |
Aug-01-09 04:17 AM |
#25 |
 
I agree. I didn't really appreciate Jesus until I became an Atheist. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-02-09 12:17 AM |
#44 |

I sort of have a problem with religion being given the same status ... |
daedalus_dude |
Aug-01-09 06:07 AM |
#26 |
 
Religions are chosen behavior to a degree but they are not value-neutral |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-09 06:12 AM |
#28 |

I'm Agnostic and I have to Unrec this attempted exercise in group narcissism and self-congratulation |
slackmaster |
Aug-01-09 06:10 AM |
#27 |

Another buzzword is "anti-military bigotry" |
daedalus_dude |
Aug-01-09 06:23 AM |
#30 |

Agree -- it also blocks the reality of how Christianity and Fundi religons/ |
defendandprotect |
Aug-01-09 11:18 PM |
#41 |

Answer to the OP: Yes, it is. |
Odin2005 |
Aug-01-09 11:40 PM |
#43 |