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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-01-09 08:49 AM
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66. If you don't mind my stepping in here ...
Having friends of different races neither makes you a racist, nor makes you not-a-racist. A person can be friends with someone who isn't white and still be a white supremacist. Heck look at slave owners who had sex with their slaves. They definitely didn't treat them as equals, but they may have felt completely comfortable confiding in them. In the slave owner's mind, the slave may have been "just like family." But do you really think the slave felt the same freedom to confide in the slave owner, to tell them what they really thought of being held as slaves?

There are a lot of religious men who have close friendships with their wives and feel they respect and love women - while at the same time being male supremacists who believe women are subordinate to men.

So the problem isn't having the friends who are women or who are black. The problem is jumping to that as a defense or excuse ("I am not racist, I have lots of black friends"). It shows that the speaker doesn't understand what racism is; that they believe it's only racism if you hate black people and refuse to associate with them.

Does that make sense?
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  -Should a non-racist object to being called a racist? daedalus_dude  Jul-31-09 11:24 AM   #0 
  - If they're non-racist, they shouldn't take it too seriously.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-31-09 11:26 AM   #1 
  - I get accused of being racist if I disagree with  Sezu   Jul-31-09 11:39 AM   #4 
  - You don't have to be racist to be accused of being racist on this board.  Arkansas Granny   Jul-31-09 11:47 AM   #6 
  - True  madokie   Jul-31-09 12:07 PM   #11 
  - Communist!  Posteritatis   Jul-31-09 01:29 PM   #25 
  - That's true - and sometimes DUers are accused of being racist  noamnety   Jul-31-09 03:07 PM   #35 
  - yep, a definite problem.  bliss_eternal   Jul-31-09 11:25 PM   #48 
     - If hillary had been elected  noamnety   Aug-01-09 12:26 AM   #49 
     - you seem to have misunderstood  bliss_eternal   Aug-01-09 12:58 AM   #50 
        - I oppose leaving troops in Iraq.  noamnety   Aug-01-09 01:21 AM   #51 
     - Why do you do that? I've noticed that a lot of people here  Liquorice   Aug-01-09 02:07 AM   #52 
     - interesting.  bliss_eternal   Aug-01-09 04:58 AM   #65 
     - It's true that it depends on how one defines racism  marshall   Aug-02-09 11:21 AM   #81 
  - I Was Once  RobinA   Jul-31-09 03:15 PM   #39 
  - Oh man, tell me about it!  pipi_k   Aug-01-09 10:06 AM   #71 
  - But it is a very serious accusation  JonQ   Jul-31-09 12:39 PM   #18 
     - Reputation?  Raineyb   Aug-01-09 09:06 AM   #67 
  - Sure.  GreenEyedLefty   Jul-31-09 11:31 AM   #2 
  - For starters, we all harbor prejudiced tendencies...  misanthrope   Jul-31-09 11:32 AM   #3 
  - It's better to assume everyone is a racist, that way you don't miss one.  timeforpeace   Jul-31-09 01:42 PM   #26 
     - I think it's best to assume nothing...  misanthrope   Jul-31-09 04:05 PM   #40 
  - I don't label people, but I will call out when I hear or see something racist.  blondeatlast   Jul-31-09 11:40 AM   #5 
  - Just for my own curiosity...  pipi_k   Jul-31-09 02:03 PM   #29 
     - one definition apparently is  hfojvt   Jul-31-09 02:39 PM   #33 
        - That sort of reminds me of an old joke  pipi_k   Aug-01-09 10:13 AM   #72 
  - Yes, absolutely  demwing   Jul-31-09 11:48 AM   #7 
  - I think we should call behavior racist when appropriate. It is counterproductive to label people.  Romulox   Jul-31-09 11:49 AM   #8 
  - It is kind of a double blind  el_bryanto   Jul-31-09 11:52 AM   #9 
  - Similar to asking someone if they quit beating their wife.  Arkansas Granny   Jul-31-09 04:23 PM   #41 
     - Or "witch" dunking...if she drowns, she's not a witch...if she doesn't drown, she is one  pipi_k   Aug-02-09 11:09 AM   #77 
  - Everybody's a racist because we see differences between  laureloak   Jul-31-09 11:59 AM   #10 
  - Seeing the difference between yourself and others with different  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jul-31-09 12:09 PM   #12 
  - Well put.  Robb   Jul-31-09 12:13 PM   #14 
  - Exacttly. It's not worth a damn, so why go there.  laureloak   Jul-31-09 07:46 PM   #46 
  - del  laureloak   Jul-31-09 07:44 PM   #45 
  - See, and there's yet another double edged sword...  pipi_k   Aug-02-09 11:13 AM   #79 
  - Everyone who is not sightless can see differences; doesn't make them racists!  gita   Jul-31-09 02:19 PM   #32 
  - Yes, however  Political Tiger   Jul-31-09 12:12 PM   #13 
  - Why would that be a clue? (Unless it was a lie.)  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jul-31-09 12:18 PM   #16 
  - Because only racists have friends of other races  JonQ   Jul-31-09 12:40 PM   #19 
     - I'm having an off-day... please tell me you forgot the :sarcasm:  OneTenthofOnePercent   Jul-31-09 01:12 PM   #23 
        - Yep  JonQ   Jul-31-09 01:17 PM   #24 
  - in addition....  bliss_eternal   Jul-31-09 11:11 PM   #47 
  - The accusation of racism  Raspberry   Jul-31-09 12:14 PM   #15 
  - Actually there is an adequate defense...  pipi_k   Jul-31-09 02:17 PM   #31 
  - Consider the source.  madamesilverspurs   Jul-31-09 12:19 PM   #17 
  - I see accusations of "racism" today as being not all the different  JonQ   Jul-31-09 12:42 PM   #20 
  - Nice try  Stephanie   Aug-01-09 02:44 AM   #60 
     - The cambridge case comes to mind  JonQ   Aug-01-09 10:46 PM   #73 
        - The cop lied. As you must know. The cop lied. Listen to the 911 tape.  Stephanie   Aug-02-09 02:46 AM   #74 
           - And that proves racism how?  JonQ   Aug-02-09 10:57 AM   #76 
           - White cops often lie about white suspects...  pipi_k   Aug-02-09 11:18 AM   #80 
  - It is fairly instinctual to get defensive at being called something you feel is inaccurate  Caliman73   Jul-31-09 12:55 PM   #21 
  - I couldn't agree more  pipi_k   Jul-31-09 02:12 PM   #30 
  - Damn reverse-racism.  BlooInBloo   Jul-31-09 12:56 PM   #22 
  - Do you ever think past the nose on your face? Are you even capable?  Forkboy   Aug-01-09 09:55 AM   #69 
  - It's the accusation against which there is no defense, making it quite valuable for the accuser. It  timeforpeace   Jul-31-09 01:46 PM   #27 
  - There's a difference between making a racist comment and being racist  marshall   Jul-31-09 01:51 PM   #28 
  - Ignorant, maybe.  noamnety   Jul-31-09 03:10 PM   #36 
  - There is little difference there.  Caliman73   Jul-31-09 04:41 PM   #42 
  - 2 cents worth  Aragorn   Jul-31-09 02:51 PM   #34 
  - Perhaps that is true, but it is typically the dominant culture that assigns racial identity & value  Caliman73   Jul-31-09 05:01 PM   #44 
  - Yes...unfortunately, you'll never find one  alcibiades_mystery   Jul-31-09 03:11 PM   #37 
  - I object to being called collect.  deaniac21   Jul-31-09 03:14 PM   #38 
  - The other day someone called me an "alleged animal care worker"  xultar   Jul-31-09 04:57 PM   #43 
  - "I have alot of friends that are XYZ"  Stephanie   Aug-01-09 02:11 AM   #53 
  - People who have a lot of friends of a different race are racists?? How strange! nt  Liquorice   Aug-01-09 02:14 AM   #54 
     - No, people who utter that phrase are invariably racists.  Stephanie   Aug-01-09 02:18 AM   #55 
        - That makes no sense. If a man says he has a lot of women friends, does it mean he's a sexist? The  Liquorice   Aug-01-09 02:26 AM   #56 
           - Yes it does. n/t  Stephanie   Aug-01-09 02:28 AM   #57 
           - "Some of my best friends are black"  Stephanie   Aug-01-09 02:30 AM   #58 
           - That search is meaningless. People have joked about the phrase, yes, but  Liquorice   Aug-01-09 02:40 AM   #59 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Aug-01-09 02:46 AM   #61 
                 - You lost the argument so you're calling me a racist? How dishonest, stephanie. nt  Liquorice   Aug-01-09 02:51 AM   #62 
                 - Again, nice try.  Stephanie   Aug-01-09 03:02 AM   #63 
                 - Actually, it is nonsense.  Forkboy   Aug-01-09 09:50 AM   #68 
           - If you don't mind my stepping in here ...  noamnety   Aug-01-09 08:49 AM   #66 
              - I defer to noamnety, who explains it perfectly.  Stephanie   Aug-02-09 02:48 AM   #75 
  - I agree with you - exactly why does saying  dipsydoodle   Aug-01-09 04:30 AM   #64 
  - Apparently it's ok to have black or gay or female friends....just don't say it.  Forkboy   Aug-01-09 09:57 AM   #70 
  - Best way to handle that is to treat the accusation seriously and respectfully  rucky   Aug-02-09 11:11 AM   #78 
  - so people who get defensive when discussing racism are afraid of losing their jobs?  noiretextatique   Aug-02-09 11:25 AM   #82 

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