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55. Senate HELP amendment on "data exclusivity"
We should be questioning relationships between politicians and the firms that represent the corporations for additional profits.

http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/july/senate_help_amendmen...

"U.S. Senate HELP Committee
July 13, 2009

Consideration of the Enzi/Hatch/Hagan amendment on establishing a data exclusivity period of 12 years for biotech innovation

Sen. Orin Hatch: I don’t know a biotech company that isn’t for this bill, for this 12 year data exclusivity.

...Sen. Tom Harkin: Keep in mind what we’re talking about here. We’re not talking about patents. Everybody gets a 20 year patent… What we’re talking about here is data, data exclusivity…
How do you get that data? You get it through FDA supervised trials… Where do they do those clinical trials? Academic health centers. Who supports academic health centers? Our taxpayers… When should that data be released so that another company out there, some other entrepreneurs, can look at the data and say… I’ll bet if we changed this and did this, we might come up with a new formulation that might actually help something else. They’re still going to have to go through their clinical trials… At least they’ll be able to look at the data. If you don’t do that that means that the company can sit on that data for 12 years. Then they let the data out. Clinical trials will take another 7 years or more, so you’re going to have at least a whole 20 year run in there… before anyone can ever surface with anything even comparable to what that drug or that biologic is.

****

Sen. Bernie Sanders: Let’s find out why year after year the drug companies make hugh profits, look at why the drug companies have never once, to the best of my knowledge, have never lost a political debate here in Congress… (medicine) doesn’t do anybody any good if they can’t afford it. I think for year after year we’ve been paying a lot of attention to our friends in PhRMA, who are spending, I don’t know what they spend in lobbying and campaign contributions, a whole lot of money. Maybe it’s time that we start worrying about the people who have to pay for this medicine.

****

Sen. Sherrod Brown: You know what we’ve not talked about, Mr. Chairman? We’re not talking about how much these biologics are costing patients. Let me give you some numbers. (examples)… 48 thousand dollars… 20 thousand dollars …100 thousand dollars. You know what the average wage in my state is? 46 thousand dollars… If we do this giveaway to the drug industry, this giveaway to the biologic companies, it means profits are up for them, it means executive salaries are up for them, it means we can all feel good, but let’s think about the patients, let’s think of the patient with breast cancer who has got to spend 1000 dollars a week… the patient with colon cancer who’s got to spend 2000 dollars a week… What kind of progress is that, Mr. Chairman?

The data exclusivity amendment passed by a vote of 16 to 7, with several Democrats voting in support..."


Biotech firms lobby for say on healthcare

$66m effort to protect drug-patent exclusivity


http://www.boston.com/news/health/articles/2009/07/21/b... /


"...The quest for influence is not always obvious.

Howard Dean, the former Democratic Party chairman, wrote an opinion piece this month in The Hill, an influential Capitol Hill newspaper, arguing that fewer than 12 years of monopoly rights for biotech companies’ products “would prematurely rob innovators of their intellectual property and . . . destroy incentives to develop new cures.’’

Within hours Joe Trippi, a Democratic consultant who ran Dean’s 2004 presidential race, hyped Dean’s opinion piece in a blog post that he sent to The Huffington Post, a widely read website. “He’s a doctor and lifelong advocate for health reform - he knows what he’s talking about,’’ Trippi wrote, urging readers to contact their lawmakers.

...Dean failed to note in his editorial that he is an adviser to McKenna, Long & Aldridge, a global law firm that is advising the Biotechnology Industry Organization, the influential trade group.

...But Dean said his editorial was part of McKenna’s rapid-fire response to an unexpected, eleventh-hour Senate health committee proposal (which biotech firms ultimately fought off).

“It was a huge scramble, all hands on deck,’’ Dean said..."





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  The Single Payer Action group has a new project. Discredit Dean. madfloridian  Jul-27-09 07:41 PM   #0 
   So feel free to get those unrecommends ready.... because..  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 07:43 PM   #1 
   Recommended. Attacking Dean is disgusting.  bobbolink   Jul-27-09 09:07 PM   #57 
   They are all-or-nothing zealots who understand little, if anything, about how the world works  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-27-09 07:48 PM   #2 
   I have an even darker notion...  Jackpine Radical   Jul-27-09 07:55 PM   #3 
   BS, it's a totally different scenario.  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 08:09 PM   #17 
   Then make sure we get nothing at all.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:12 PM   #23 
   Single payer couldn't be taken off of the table because it was never on the table to begin with  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-27-09 08:20 PM   #33 
      Exactly.  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 08:23 PM   #36 
   More proof of who is "naderizing" the debate. Dean seems to think S.P. and P.O. are the same thing.  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 09:17 PM   #63 
   And the world works different in American, whereas, much of the rest of the civilized world...  Oregone   Jul-27-09 07:56 PM   #5 
      You think I am making excuses for failed leaders?  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:00 PM   #7 
      Yes. Its getting tired  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:02 PM   #8 
         Well, that is very clear how you view me. Thanks for the honesty.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:04 PM   #10 
         You are welcome  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:05 PM   #12 
         Then wear a medal...  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:07 PM   #14 
            Single-payer is a centrist compromise  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:08 PM   #16 
            Well, then continue your quest for perfection.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:11 PM   #20 
            You don't find perfection.  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:15 PM   #26 
               I have fought hard here for rights for everyone.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:19 PM   #31 
                  Yes, it makes me feel much better  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:22 PM   #34 
                  "We should be working together to get the best we can get."  edc   Jul-29-09 12:26 PM   #130 
            In a single payer system for profit insurance might exist but it wouldn't be  nosmokes   Jul-27-09 08:32 PM   #44 
            Im not confused  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:34 PM   #45 
               Then how on earth do you come to the conclusion single payer is a  nosmokes   Jul-27-09 08:46 PM   #51 
                  Ah...thats where you missed it.  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:54 PM   #53 
            Not in context. Nobody is calling for socialized medicine.  TheKentuckian   Jul-28-09 01:54 AM   #105 
            I am. I don't care how they get there but help everyone. Cover everyone.  glinda   Jul-28-09 06:30 PM   #124 
            Look, many Americans believe the propaganda about how awful  JDPriestly   Jul-28-09 12:02 PM   #114 
            It is also quite possible to understand that on some issues,  SleeplessInAlabama   Jul-27-09 08:32 PM   #43 
               "You act as though the people on this board will be on the floor voting on the bill OR that their"  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:35 PM   #46 
                  You obviously want me to die in a gutter somewhere!  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 09:09 PM   #59 
         why not see if registered Dems get covered by the same Federal Plan as our  KakistocracyHater   Jul-27-09 11:02 PM   #93 
         "Hold them to a real standard."  MilesColtrane   Jul-27-09 10:13 PM   #78 
            Or leave  Oregone   Jul-27-09 10:49 PM   #88 
               Don't you have something Canadian to do?  MilesColtrane   Jul-27-09 10:52 PM   #90 
                  Im doing it  Oregone   Jul-27-09 11:51 PM   #97 
                     Really?  MilesColtrane   Jul-28-09 12:07 AM   #98 
                        If thats what they are strategizing for...  Oregone   Jul-28-09 12:10 AM   #99 
                           You guess wrong.  MilesColtrane   Jul-28-09 01:07 AM   #102 
      self deleted  MilesColtrane   Jul-27-09 10:11 PM   #76 
   I wrote the leadership of the Progressive Caucus and asked them to vote "no."  Laelth   Jul-27-09 07:56 PM   #4 
   Then let us have nothing.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 07:59 PM   #6 
   I have tremendous respect for you, madfloridian.  Laelth   Jul-27-09 08:22 PM   #35 
   We don't know the final form. Only what committees have let leak.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:31 PM   #41 
   Madfloridian, I almost always agree with you, but this bill looks like a  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-27-09 09:36 PM   #70 
      Dean DID speak against the Senate version on Rachel's show tonight.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 10:13 PM   #77 
      I don't have cable anymore, so I don't see any talking heads shows  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-27-09 10:20 PM   #80 
      Well, the man they are attacking protesting and calling a liar  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 10:22 PM   #81 
         It's not about Dean, and it's not about you  Lydia Leftcoast   Jul-28-09 10:54 AM   #110 
            I have been doing just that. So where's the difference?  madfloridian   Jul-28-09 11:53 AM   #113 
      Madfloridian, you are to be commended for standing up for  suzie   Jul-28-09 11:08 AM   #111 
      Beautifully said, Lydia Leftcoast. n/t  Laelth   Jul-29-09 11:16 AM   #129 
   Gee, thanks  prolesunited   Jul-27-09 08:04 PM   #11 
      You will anyway  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:07 PM   #15 
      For you, the bills currently under consideration are better than nothing, I admit.  Laelth   Jul-27-09 08:26 PM   #38 
   Damn all-or-nothing fucks.  BlooInBloo   Jul-27-09 08:03 PM   #9 
   Fuck all-or-nothing damners  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:06 PM   #13 
      Without compromise, nothing would get done.  armyowalgreens   Jul-27-09 08:09 PM   #18 
      This "compromise" crap argument operates on the premise that...  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:13 PM   #24 
         I never said single-payer is the end of the road.  armyowalgreens   Jul-27-09 08:17 PM   #28 
         "In turn, you are willing to let others suffer" -- Quite the opposite  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:20 PM   #32 
            A step towards what?  armyowalgreens   Jul-27-09 08:26 PM   #37 
               Single-Payer=socialized *insurance*. Have you not heard of socialized health CARE?  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:32 PM   #42 
                  hmmm yeah I apparently forgot about socialized for some reason.  armyowalgreens   Jul-27-09 08:45 PM   #49 
         Just curious, if single payer is the "centrist" position  Still Sensible   Jul-27-09 08:18 PM   #30 
            It is centrist, yes.  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:27 PM   #39 
      The people who say this is all or nothing are the ones who have successfully "naderized" the issue  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 08:12 PM   #22 
      I completely agree  Oregone   Jul-27-09 08:17 PM   #29 
      Blame it on the people who were not invited to the discussions  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 10:32 PM   #83 
         For the record I agree with you.  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 10:41 PM   #86 
            I should have added the sarcasm tag....  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 10:46 PM   #87 
               ok, I thought so, but wasn't sure at first.  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 10:54 PM   #91 
                  My post is the one that was confusing....  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 10:56 PM   #92 
      Incrementalism is the only way anything gets done in this country.  anonymous171   Jul-27-09 10:40 PM   #85 
   Keep those unrecommends coming fast and furious. Don't compare the video  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:10 PM   #19 
   I rec'd your thread  ipaint   Jul-27-09 08:46 PM   #50 
   Let's ask for the least we think we can get  Mythsaje   Jul-27-09 08:12 PM   #21 
   Well, unrecs have taken down from 4.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:13 PM   #25 
   Why don't they discredit the Republicans or obstructionist Dems?  undeterred   Jul-27-09 08:17 PM   #27 
   Because they believe Dean co-opted their efforts.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 08:28 PM   #40 
   They are all politicians.  ipaint   Jul-27-09 08:42 PM   #48 
      What a convenient fall back argument when someone is speaking truth.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 09:00 PM   #54 
         And he's shilling for bio firms for a living.  ipaint   Jul-27-09 09:08 PM   #58 
            Shilling.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 09:11 PM   #60 
               Thanks for the correction- Shill. n/t.  ipaint   Jul-27-09 09:20 PM   #64 
                  Dean was just on Rachel's show "shilling" away.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 09:31 PM   #68 
   They have....people forget...."Make it the Baucus 13"  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 09:43 PM   #73 
   Why are people trying to discredit single-payer advocates? ...  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 08:41 PM   #47 
   Senate HELP amendment on "data exclusivity"  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 09:03 PM   #55 
   Thank you. I've been annoyed with Dean ever since he sent out an email calling for signatures...  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 09:15 PM   #62 
   I really do not understand why Dean is trying to confuse the issues...  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 09:24 PM   #65 
   If this were an OP  abumbyanyothername   Jul-27-09 09:30 PM   #67 
   Thank you :))) n/t  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 09:36 PM   #71 
   This would make an excellent OP  leftstreet   Jul-28-09 01:38 AM   #104 
      Thanks, maybe later on this evening, although I would prefer to  slipslidingaway   Jul-28-09 01:42 PM   #118 
   I would love to see HR 676 pass, but it can't even get out of  johnaries   Jul-27-09 08:53 PM   #52 
   That shows the influence of the For Profit companies, we need people  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 09:06 PM   #56 
   Single-payer people need to accept some of the responsibility.  bobbolink   Jul-27-09 09:12 PM   #61 
   "We should be working together to get the best we can get. "  Uzybone   Jul-27-09 09:26 PM   #66 
   I don't think there's much difference between single payer and a strong public option  Time for change   Jul-27-09 09:31 PM   #69 
   Nice comment that gets right to the point.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 09:40 PM   #72 
   This is what Dean told AHIP when he spoke at their convention...  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 09:54 PM   #74 
      I'm not sure what your point is  Time for change   Jul-28-09 12:20 PM   #115 
         That all seems far too pragmatic for the "single-payer" folks.  suzie   Jul-28-09 12:57 PM   #116 
         That is why I copied your sentence in my reply and posted the  slipslidingaway   Jul-28-09 02:11 PM   #119 
            Ok, I see what you mean  Time for change   Jul-29-09 03:27 PM   #132 
               Even before there were any draft plans available Dean was saying  slipslidingaway   Jul-29-09 04:47 PM   #133 
                  I'm totally with you on the idea of not getting behind plans until we know what they are  Time for change   Jul-29-09 05:38 PM   #134 
                     Glad to hear that we agree on supporting an unknown plan ...  slipslidingaway   Jul-30-09 10:58 AM   #135 
   Why aren't these people protesting outside the Capitol?  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-27-09 09:59 PM   #75 
   They are doing that as well, but Dean has been confusing the terms  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 10:24 PM   #82 
      Baloney. They did not get arrested because of Dean.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 11:14 PM   #95 
         What the hell are you talking about, did you read the post I replied  slipslidingaway   Jul-28-09 12:26 AM   #100 
   PS Dean spoke out against the Senate again tonight on Rachel.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 10:14 PM   #79 
   Please stop with the "madfloridian i usually respect you" stuff.  madfloridian   Jul-27-09 10:37 PM   #84 
   I expected this would happen.  Odin2005   Jul-27-09 10:50 PM   #89 
   .....  madfloridian   Jul-28-09 12:39 AM   #101 
      Ugh, people suck!  Odin2005   Jul-28-09 07:50 AM   #106 
      Doing a good job on this, madfloridian.  suzie   Jul-29-09 09:04 AM   #128 
   Bill Moyers - Dr. Marcia Angell speaks an inconvenient about our health system that no public plan w  slipslidingaway   Jul-27-09 11:04 PM   #94 
   Recommended. Dr. Dean should have been named Surgeon General.  Vidar   Jul-27-09 11:39 PM   #96 
   Rachel Maddow and "shiller" Dean on her show tonight. Video link  madfloridian   Jul-28-09 01:35 AM   #103 
   These actions from the left are unconscionable and beyond stupid  karynnj   Jul-28-09 09:42 AM   #107 
   I agree and wrote to DFA about that issue.  madfloridian   Jul-28-09 11:29 AM   #112 
      thanks - it is great to know that they have heard from someone  karynnj   Jul-28-09 01:03 PM   #117 
   Didn't you post most of this in another dicsussion a few days ago?????  George II   Jul-28-09 09:43 AM   #108 
   Just wanted to acknowledge your replies in the thread below...  slipslidingaway   Jul-29-09 02:10 PM   #131 
   Obama let the genie out of the bottle  disndat   Jul-28-09 10:51 AM   #109 
   Who are these people and who is funding them?  varelse   Jul-28-09 02:39 PM   #120 
   Here is their contact page with names.  madfloridian   Jul-28-09 02:46 PM   #121 
   Perfection is the enemy of the good. Perfect example. nt  mistertrickster   Jul-28-09 03:05 PM   #122 
   In doing so, they discredit themselves.  mzmolly   Jul-28-09 04:12 PM   #123 
   Here's a group giving out leaflets and harassing him in Seattle...fake blood smeared on them.  madfloridian   Jul-28-09 06:44 PM   #125 
   We need to send a copy of this  JNelson6563   Jul-28-09 06:49 PM   #126 
   If they want single payer, I can tell them in whose shit they should be. (Hint: It Ain't Dr. Dean)  Stinky The Clown   Jul-28-09 06:49 PM   #127 
   Other Democrats being hassled as well. Part of efforts by these groups?  madfloridian   Jul-31-09 03:19 PM   #136 
 

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