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Mon Jul-27-09 07:32 PM
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| 43. It is also quite possible to understand that on some issues, |
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people have hard-and-fast principles and they can still wear whatever they please without you telling them.
You act as though the people on this board will be on the floor voting on the bill OR that their opinions influence those that will be.
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| -The Single Payer Action group has a new project. Discredit Dean. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 06:41 PM |
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So feel free to get those unrecommends ready.... because.. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 06:43 PM |
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Recommended. Attacking Dean is disgusting. |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-09 08:07 PM |
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They are all-or-nothing zealots who understand little, if anything, about how the world works |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-27-09 06:48 PM |
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I have an even darker notion... |
Jackpine Radical |
Jul-27-09 06:55 PM |
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BS, it's a totally different scenario. |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 07:09 PM |
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Then make sure we get nothing at all. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:12 PM |
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Single payer couldn't be taken off of the table because it was never on the table to begin with |
Freddie Stubbs |
Jul-27-09 07:20 PM |
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Exactly. |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 07:23 PM |
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More proof of who is "naderizing" the debate. Dean seems to think S.P. and P.O. are the same thing. |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 08:17 PM |
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And the world works different in American, whereas, much of the rest of the civilized world... |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 06:56 PM |
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You think I am making excuses for failed leaders? |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:00 PM |
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Yes. Its getting tired |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:02 PM |
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Well, that is very clear how you view me. Thanks for the honesty. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:04 PM |
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You are welcome |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:05 PM |
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Then wear a medal... |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:07 PM |
#14 |
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Single-payer is a centrist compromise |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:08 PM |
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Well, then continue your quest for perfection. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:11 PM |
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You don't find perfection. |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:15 PM |
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I have fought hard here for rights for everyone. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:19 PM |
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Yes, it makes me feel much better |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:22 PM |
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"We should be working together to get the best we can get." |
edc |
Jul-29-09 11:26 AM |
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In a single payer system for profit insurance might exist but it wouldn't be |
nosmokes |
Jul-27-09 07:32 PM |
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Im not confused |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:34 PM |
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Then how on earth do you come to the conclusion single payer is a |
nosmokes |
Jul-27-09 07:46 PM |
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Ah...thats where you missed it. |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:54 PM |
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Not in context. Nobody is calling for socialized medicine. |
TheKentuckian |
Jul-28-09 12:54 AM |
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I am. I don't care how they get there but help everyone. Cover everyone. |
glinda |
Jul-28-09 05:30 PM |
#124 |
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Look, many Americans believe the propaganda about how awful |
JDPriestly |
Jul-28-09 11:02 AM |
#114 |
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It is also quite possible to understand that on some issues, |
SleeplessInAlabama |
Jul-27-09 07:32 PM |
#43 |
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"You act as though the people on this board will be on the floor voting on the bill OR that their" |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:35 PM |
#46 |
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You obviously want me to die in a gutter somewhere! |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 08:09 PM |
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why not see if registered Dems get covered by the same Federal Plan as our |
KakistocracyHater |
Jul-27-09 10:02 PM |
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"Hold them to a real standard." |
MilesColtrane |
Jul-27-09 09:13 PM |
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Or leave |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 09:49 PM |
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Don't you have something Canadian to do? |
MilesColtrane |
Jul-27-09 09:52 PM |
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Im doing it |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 10:51 PM |
#97 |
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Really? |
MilesColtrane |
Jul-27-09 11:07 PM |
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If thats what they are strategizing for... |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 11:10 PM |
#99 |
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You guess wrong. |
MilesColtrane |
Jul-28-09 12:07 AM |
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self deleted |
MilesColtrane |
Jul-27-09 09:11 PM |
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I wrote the leadership of the Progressive Caucus and asked them to vote "no." |
Laelth |
Jul-27-09 06:56 PM |
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Then let us have nothing. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 06:59 PM |
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I have tremendous respect for you, madfloridian. |
Laelth |
Jul-27-09 07:22 PM |
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We don't know the final form. Only what committees have let leak. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:31 PM |
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Madfloridian, I almost always agree with you, but this bill looks like a |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-27-09 08:36 PM |
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Dean DID speak against the Senate version on Rachel's show tonight. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 09:13 PM |
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I don't have cable anymore, so I don't see any talking heads shows |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-27-09 09:20 PM |
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Well, the man they are attacking protesting and calling a liar |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 09:22 PM |
#81 |
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It's not about Dean, and it's not about you |
Lydia Leftcoast |
Jul-28-09 09:54 AM |
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I have been doing just that. So where's the difference? |
madfloridian |
Jul-28-09 10:53 AM |
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Madfloridian, you are to be commended for standing up for |
suzie |
Jul-28-09 10:08 AM |
#111 |
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Beautifully said, Lydia Leftcoast. n/t |
Laelth |
Jul-29-09 10:16 AM |
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Gee, thanks |
prolesunited |
Jul-27-09 07:04 PM |
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You will anyway |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:07 PM |
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For you, the bills currently under consideration are better than nothing, I admit. |
Laelth |
Jul-27-09 07:26 PM |
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Damn all-or-nothing fucks. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-27-09 07:03 PM |
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Fuck all-or-nothing damners |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:06 PM |
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Without compromise, nothing would get done. |
armyowalgreens |
Jul-27-09 07:09 PM |
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This "compromise" crap argument operates on the premise that... |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:13 PM |
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I never said single-payer is the end of the road. |
armyowalgreens |
Jul-27-09 07:17 PM |
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"In turn, you are willing to let others suffer" -- Quite the opposite |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:20 PM |
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A step towards what? |
armyowalgreens |
Jul-27-09 07:26 PM |
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Single-Payer=socialized *insurance*. Have you not heard of socialized health CARE? |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:32 PM |
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hmmm yeah I apparently forgot about socialized for some reason. |
armyowalgreens |
Jul-27-09 07:45 PM |
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Just curious, if single payer is the "centrist" position |
Still Sensible |
Jul-27-09 07:18 PM |
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It is centrist, yes. |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:27 PM |
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The people who say this is all or nothing are the ones who have successfully "naderized" the issue |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 07:12 PM |
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I completely agree |
Oregone |
Jul-27-09 07:17 PM |
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Blame it on the people who were not invited to the discussions |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 09:32 PM |
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For the record I agree with you. |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 09:41 PM |
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I should have added the sarcasm tag.... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 09:46 PM |
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ok, I thought so, but wasn't sure at first. |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 09:54 PM |
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My post is the one that was confusing.... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 09:56 PM |
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Incrementalism is the only way anything gets done in this country. |
anonymous171 |
Jul-27-09 09:40 PM |
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Keep those unrecommends coming fast and furious. Don't compare the video |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:10 PM |
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I rec'd your thread |
ipaint |
Jul-27-09 07:46 PM |
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Let's ask for the least we think we can get |
Mythsaje |
Jul-27-09 07:12 PM |
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Well, unrecs have taken down from 4. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:13 PM |
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Why don't they discredit the Republicans or obstructionist Dems? |
undeterred |
Jul-27-09 07:17 PM |
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Because they believe Dean co-opted their efforts. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 07:28 PM |
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They are all politicians. |
ipaint |
Jul-27-09 07:42 PM |
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What a convenient fall back argument when someone is speaking truth. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 08:00 PM |
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And he's shilling for bio firms for a living. |
ipaint |
Jul-27-09 08:08 PM |
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Shilling. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 08:11 PM |
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Thanks for the correction- Shill. n/t. |
ipaint |
Jul-27-09 08:20 PM |
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Dean was just on Rachel's show "shilling" away. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 08:31 PM |
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They have....people forget...."Make it the Baucus 13" |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 08:43 PM |
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Why are people trying to discredit single-payer advocates? ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 07:41 PM |
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Senate HELP amendment on "data exclusivity" |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 08:03 PM |
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Thank you. I've been annoyed with Dean ever since he sent out an email calling for signatures... |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 08:15 PM |
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I really do not understand why Dean is trying to confuse the issues... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 08:24 PM |
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If this were an OP |
abumbyanyothername |
Jul-27-09 08:30 PM |
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Thank you :))) n/t |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 08:36 PM |
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This would make an excellent OP |
leftstreet |
Jul-28-09 12:38 AM |
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Thanks, maybe later on this evening, although I would prefer to |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-28-09 12:42 PM |
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I would love to see HR 676 pass, but it can't even get out of |
johnaries |
Jul-27-09 07:53 PM |
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That shows the influence of the For Profit companies, we need people |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 08:06 PM |
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Single-payer people need to accept some of the responsibility. |
bobbolink |
Jul-27-09 08:12 PM |
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"We should be working together to get the best we can get. " |
Uzybone |
Jul-27-09 08:26 PM |
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I don't think there's much difference between single payer and a strong public option |
Time for change |
Jul-27-09 08:31 PM |
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Nice comment that gets right to the point. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 08:40 PM |
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This is what Dean told AHIP when he spoke at their convention... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 08:54 PM |
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I'm not sure what your point is |
Time for change |
Jul-28-09 11:20 AM |
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That all seems far too pragmatic for the "single-payer" folks. |
suzie |
Jul-28-09 11:57 AM |
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That is why I copied your sentence in my reply and posted the |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-28-09 01:11 PM |
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Ok, I see what you mean |
Time for change |
Jul-29-09 02:27 PM |
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Even before there were any draft plans available Dean was saying |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-29-09 03:47 PM |
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I'm totally with you on the idea of not getting behind plans until we know what they are |
Time for change |
Jul-29-09 04:38 PM |
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Glad to hear that we agree on supporting an unknown plan ... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-30-09 09:58 AM |
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Why aren't these people protesting outside the Capitol? |
Sebastian Doyle |
Jul-27-09 08:59 PM |
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They are doing that as well, but Dean has been confusing the terms |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 09:24 PM |
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Baloney. They did not get arrested because of Dean. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 10:14 PM |
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What the hell are you talking about, did you read the post I replied |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 11:26 PM |
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PS Dean spoke out against the Senate again tonight on Rachel. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 09:14 PM |
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Please stop with the "madfloridian i usually respect you" stuff. |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 09:37 PM |
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I expected this would happen. |
Odin2005 |
Jul-27-09 09:50 PM |
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..... |
madfloridian |
Jul-27-09 11:39 PM |
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Ugh, people suck! |
Odin2005 |
Jul-28-09 06:50 AM |
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Doing a good job on this, madfloridian. |
suzie |
Jul-29-09 08:04 AM |
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Bill Moyers - Dr. Marcia Angell speaks an inconvenient about our health system that no public plan w |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-27-09 10:04 PM |
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Recommended. Dr. Dean should have been named Surgeon General. |
Vidar |
Jul-27-09 10:39 PM |
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Rachel Maddow and "shiller" Dean on her show tonight. Video link |
madfloridian |
Jul-28-09 12:35 AM |
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These actions from the left are unconscionable and beyond stupid |
karynnj |
Jul-28-09 08:42 AM |
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I agree and wrote to DFA about that issue. |
madfloridian |
Jul-28-09 10:29 AM |
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thanks - it is great to know that they have heard from someone |
karynnj |
Jul-28-09 12:03 PM |
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Didn't you post most of this in another dicsussion a few days ago????? |
George II |
Jul-28-09 08:43 AM |
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Just wanted to acknowledge your replies in the thread below... |
slipslidingaway |
Jul-29-09 01:10 PM |
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Obama let the genie out of the bottle |
disndat |
Jul-28-09 09:51 AM |
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Who are these people and who is funding them? |
varelse |
Jul-28-09 01:39 PM |
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Here is their contact page with names. |
madfloridian |
Jul-28-09 01:46 PM |
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Perfection is the enemy of the good. Perfect example. nt |
mistertrickster |
Jul-28-09 02:05 PM |
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In doing so, they discredit themselves. |
mzmolly |
Jul-28-09 03:12 PM |
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Here's a group giving out leaflets and harassing him in Seattle...fake blood smeared on them. |
madfloridian |
Jul-28-09 05:44 PM |
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We need to send a copy of this |
JNelson6563 |
Jul-28-09 05:49 PM |
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If they want single payer, I can tell them in whose shit they should be. (Hint: It Ain't Dr. Dean) |
Stinky The Clown |
Jul-28-09 05:49 PM |
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Other Democrats being hassled as well. Part of efforts by these groups? |
madfloridian |
Jul-31-09 02:19 PM |
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