| 166. What does nt mean? I read it all the time and don't really know. |
| -Gates caller didn’t cite race, police say |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 10:56 PM |
#0 |
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So she cited backpacks? Ha! Let me guess; she wants a book deal? nt |
babylonsister |
Jul-26-09 10:58 PM |
#1 |
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maybe she's just pissed at being painted as racist for no reason |
Skittles |
Jul-26-09 11:00 PM |
#2 |
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Then she knows how Gates feels |
merh |
Jul-26-09 11:04 PM |
#4 |
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So true! |
babylonsister |
Jul-26-09 11:07 PM |
#7 |
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Exactly. |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:08 PM |
#8 |
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Maybe the fact that Crowley put it into the police report threw people. |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:13 PM |
#14 |
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His report is consistent. |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:15 PM |
#15 |
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Her lawyer says she did not report two black men. |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:24 PM |
#20 |
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The report doesn't claim she said the men were black when |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:26 PM |
#23 |
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Right. Neither does it reflect that she apparently told the dispatcher |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:35 PM |
#37 |
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I doubt Crowley at the time heard her 911 call. |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:36 PM |
#40 |
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Right. I'd like to hear that 911 tape. It's hard to see how two men |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:37 PM |
#43 |
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no it isnt. lawyer said she saw only back. not later she saw they were black. it makes no sense. |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:38 PM |
#44 |
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When writing up a police report, |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-26-09 11:54 PM |
#59 |
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attributing it to a statement the witness made when the witness did not make it is... a lie???? nt |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:56 PM |
#63 |
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There's nothing wrong with including race. It just generally doesn't change |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:59 PM |
#69 |
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One had no mention of race - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:04 AM |
#81 |
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I'm sorry if you are having trouble. Before this statement in the OP |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:08 AM |
#86 |
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HAHAHAHA! |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:15 AM |
#91 |
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Yeah, this is just a little bizarre. I've translated a lot of cases |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:16 AM |
#94 |
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See? |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:18 AM |
#96 |
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Translating, not transcribing. But, yeah. It is. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:20 AM |
#97 |
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"what appeared to be two black males with backpacks . . . ." |
JDPriestly |
Jul-27-09 02:42 AM |
#158 |
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Gates's report says that Ms. Whalen told him the men appeared to be black. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-27-09 02:49 AM |
#161 |
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Too many DU knee jerkers have. |
MUAD_DIB |
Jul-26-09 11:38 PM |
#46 |
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No one has painted her as a racist. And she's not saying that she didn't say two black men. |
imdjh |
Jul-27-09 12:02 AM |
#75 |
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No one did? Just on DU alone, how many have claimed she |
LisaL |
Jul-27-09 12:25 AM |
#100 |
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if she saw black men, then that is description. that would not be racial profiling. |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 12:29 AM |
#104 |
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No one said she was racial profiling. |
merh |
Jul-27-09 12:37 AM |
#113 |
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I wasn't aware of that, but I suppose if anyone could be accused of it, then it would be her. |
imdjh |
Jul-27-09 12:41 AM |
#117 |
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are you kidding |
Skittles |
Jul-27-09 12:30 AM |
#108 |
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Sorry I missed that. But frankly it would fall into the category of noise. |
imdjh |
Jul-27-09 12:46 AM |
#119 |
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if she didnt say they were black, how do we know she said backpack. maybe crowley made |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:28 PM |
#27 |
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The police report actually says that Whalan described the men in person. |
imdjh |
Jul-26-09 11:41 PM |
#51 |
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Release the 911 tapes |
merh |
Jul-26-09 11:03 PM |
#3 |
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This just gets more bizarre. So, the cop was not looking for black intruders? |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:05 PM |
#5 |
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that must be why they were so surprised to find black men there!!! |
omega minimo |
Jul-26-09 11:10 PM |
#12 |
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According to his report, he has talked to her in front of the house. |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:18 PM |
#16 |
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That isn't what her lawyer is saying, is it? |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:26 PM |
#21 |
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Well there is no way to check what she told him in front of the house |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:27 PM |
#26 |
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He was looking for the backs of intruders |
merh |
Jul-27-09 12:02 AM |
#73 |
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LOL |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:04 AM |
#79 |
| -
These can't be the right guys. |
ContinentalOp |
Jul-27-09 11:59 AM |
#186 |
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(shrug) Release the unedited call recording. Either she's lying or the police are. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-09 11:07 PM |
#6 |
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Did you even read the article? Police commissioner says |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:10 PM |
#11 |
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"The report says Whalen observed “what appeared to be two black males..." |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-09 11:22 PM |
#17 |
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When she talked to him in person in front of the house. |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:24 PM |
#19 |
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Then releasing the unedited recording won't pose any problems for anyone. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-09 11:31 PM |
#29 |
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Assuming there is a recording of a conversation in front of the house. |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:34 PM |
#35 |
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That would be nice as well. I'll settle for the 911 call though - we know that exists. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-09 11:37 PM |
#42 |
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still doesnt make sense. saying she didnt report race, couldnt see. only saw back. |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:36 PM |
#39 |
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If you see someone from the back you can definetly see a backpack. |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:38 PM |
#45 |
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lawyer said no. and they didnt have backpacks. they had luggage sittin around per gaters. nt |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:40 PM |
#48 |
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the cop lied. n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 02:41 PM |
#205 |
| -
That should be provable enough, release the tape |
bridgit |
Jul-26-09 11:09 PM |
#9 |
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there's been a rash of hunchback breakins near the bell tower. |
omega minimo |
Jul-26-09 11:09 PM |
#10 |
| -
When those start, |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-26-09 11:33 PM |
#31 |
| -
somebody RING THE BELL!!!!!!!! |
omega minimo |
Jul-26-09 11:36 PM |
#41 |
| -
That's COLD, dammit - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-26-09 11:41 PM |
#50 |
| -
LOL |
omega minimo |
Jul-26-09 11:48 PM |
#54 |
| -
That's a quasi MO. |
MUAD_DIB |
Jul-26-09 11:58 PM |
#66 |
| -
DING! DING! DING! |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:00 AM |
#71 |
| -
BONG BONG BONG We have a bell ringer!! |
omega minimo |
Jul-27-09 12:04 AM |
#80 |
| -
just awful |
omega minimo |
Jul-27-09 12:03 AM |
#78 |
| -
Are you jealous? |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:05 AM |
#83 |
| -
Hey!! |
omega minimo |
Jul-27-09 12:37 AM |
#115 |
| -
BALLS! |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:43 AM |
#118 |
| -
harumph |
omega minimo |
Jul-27-09 01:02 AM |
#125 |
| -
HA! |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 01:05 AM |
#127 |
| -
Sorry fool |
omega minimo |
Jul-27-09 01:57 AM |
#146 |
| -
Oh, these kids who think they discovered fire - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 02:07 AM |
#149 |
| -
Lot of vicious people here. |
timeforpeace |
Jul-26-09 11:12 PM |
#13 |
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Yes, they can be. Do not read either. |
Duckhunter935 |
Jul-26-09 11:23 PM |
#18 |
| -
The matter of race can bring out |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-26-09 11:35 PM |
#38 |
| -
What they are talking about now are the ECC tapes, I think. |
imdjh |
Jul-26-09 11:51 PM |
#56 |
| -
Where did you read that? |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:55 PM |
#60 |
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Crowley's police report says that she was there when he arrived and said "two black males" |
PurityOfEssence |
Jul-27-09 12:51 AM |
#121 |
| -
So far, looks like the "certaintists" were right in the first place. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 01:06 AM |
#128 |
| -
Report says "appeared to be black males." |
LisaL |
Jul-27-09 01:09 AM |
#129 |
| -
Absolutely - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 01:31 AM |
#134 |
| -
good post nt |
imdjh |
Jul-27-09 12:39 PM |
#189 |
| -
Well written post |
musicblind |
Jul-27-09 12:53 PM |
#193 |
| -
Crowley lied. The witness says she never spoke to him. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 02:35 PM |
#203 |
| -
What would be wrong if she did mention their race? How about Gender? Height? Species? |
masuki bance |
Jul-26-09 11:26 PM |
#22 |
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That isn't really the point. We were led to believe she reported seeing |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:27 PM |
#25 |
| -
What difference does it make? nt |
masuki bance |
Jul-26-09 11:30 PM |
#28 |
| -
It makes a difference that Crowley was not looking for a black man |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:33 PM |
#32 |
| -
? |
masuki bance |
Jul-26-09 11:34 PM |
#36 |
| -
Bingo! |
MrScorpio |
Jul-26-09 11:31 PM |
#30 |
| -
Maybe it was inserted when Gates said "This is what happens to a black man in America!"? nt |
masuki bance |
Jul-26-09 11:34 PM |
#34 |
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As it has been reported she was a passer bye and not a neighbor. |
MUAD_DIB |
Jul-26-09 11:52 PM |
#57 |
| -
From the linked article: |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-26-09 11:58 PM |
#67 |
| -
Yes, a good deed, but she now feels that she needs a lawyer. |
MUAD_DIB |
Jul-27-09 12:04 AM |
#82 |
| -
But the idea that Crowley was responding to a report about two black men |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:03 AM |
#77 |
| -
From the report... |
MUAD_DIB |
Jul-27-09 12:08 AM |
#85 |
| -
And what do you make of that quotation? |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:09 AM |
#88 |
| -
I read it as I read it. |
MUAD_DIB |
Jul-27-09 12:16 AM |
#93 |
| -
Gates wasn't her neighbor |
TorchTheWitch |
Jul-27-09 02:55 AM |
#163 |
| -
The 911 call and her statement to Crowley are two separate issues. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-26-09 11:40 PM |
#49 |
| -
lawyer stated the woman could not see color, only their back. if she later saw race |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:42 PM |
#52 |
| -
Exactly. |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:43 PM |
#53 |
| -
Not in the police report. And the races of suspects are asked |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:49 PM |
#55 |
| -
You really need to be more specific if you're going to make a rational argument. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-27-09 12:02 AM |
#74 |
| -
Of course those statements aren't mutually exclusive -- NOW. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:07 AM |
#84 |
| -
The incident report makes no such claim...even by assumption. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-27-09 12:16 AM |
#92 |
| -
then why did the lawyer say she could not see the race, saw only back. n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 12:17 AM |
#95 |
| -
I think if you go back to the initial reports in the press |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:24 AM |
#98 |
| -
And as we all know, press reports are always so accurate. |
LisaL |
Jul-27-09 12:27 AM |
#101 |
| -
Especially when they're working off of one incident report. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:29 AM |
#103 |
| -
Which just speaks to the sloppiness of |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:32 AM |
#110 |
| -
The way this matter has evolved |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:29 AM |
#105 |
| -
Looks like Crowley helped this witness ID those two men as black |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:32 AM |
#109 |
| -
No, it does not - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:35 AM |
#112 |
| -
the lawyer says she couldnt see the race. the incident report says she said.... n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 12:37 AM |
#114 |
| -
Well, yes it does. She couldn't identify their races initially |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:39 AM |
#116 |
| -
Yes, it happens all the time - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:50 AM |
#120 |
| -
No, it doesn't happen all the time. That's why race is asked for |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:52 AM |
#122 |
| -
You're confused - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 01:13 AM |
#130 |
| -
then why didnt she see the luggage. them carry luggage in. driver leaving and driving away |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 01:17 AM |
#131 |
| -
Actually, according to the lawyer, she was confused about the races |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 01:24 AM |
#132 |
| -
My understanding, from that article at the link in the OP, |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 01:45 AM |
#141 |
| -
She wasn't in her office when she saw what looked like a break in, she was en route. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 01:51 AM |
#143 |
| -
No one alleged that she was in her office - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 02:02 AM |
#147 |
| -
The thin air was you suggesting that she couldn't see a break in |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 02:13 AM |
#150 |
| -
Your comment about three hundred yards - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 02:19 AM |
#152 |
| -
Yes, you check if the University owns the place when the guy inside |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 02:41 AM |
#157 |
| -
That first sentence? |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 02:47 AM |
#160 |
| -
According to his report, Crowley talked to the caller when |
LisaL |
Jul-27-09 02:14 AM |
#151 |
| -
Yeah, that's why I guessed |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 02:24 AM |
#155 |
| -
the cop lied. n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 02:42 PM |
#206 |
| -
The Herald's version of this story is even more clear. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 10:16 AM |
# |
| -
totally a guess, and possible, but a guess. and lawyer stated she didnt see. n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 12:58 AM |
#124 |
| -
So now you're accusing Crowley of witness tampering? Curiouser & Curiouser |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 01:26 AM |
#133 |
| -
Am I? Those guys weren't black when she talked to the dispatcher. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 01:40 AM |
#136 |
| -
Oh sure, "helped this witness" please, let's not even try to be coy... |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 01:55 AM |
#145 |
| -
Amen - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 02:23 AM |
#154 |
| -
You seem to believe I have some kind of evil intention, which is strange. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 03:01 AM |
#164 |
| -
Not so strange as it becomes it peculiar to understand the levels of omission people... |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 12:46 PM |
#192 |
| -
Looks like Crowley didn't even talk to this woman. He made it up. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 02:25 PM |
#200 |
| -
Eh fuck Crowley, he's just another ego driven jar-head, I am a tad put off... |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 02:50 PM |
#207 |
| -
I cannot watch them at all. They are horrible. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 03:19 PM |
#209 |
| -
Why? |
masuki bance |
Jul-27-09 01:36 AM |
#135 |
| -
The point of this new article is that she did not identify two black men |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 01:40 AM |
#138 |
| -
Crowley's report doesn't say she did in the 911 call. |
LisaL |
Jul-27-09 01:43 AM |
#139 |
| -
That's right. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 01:45 AM |
#140 |
| -
delete - double post |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 12:30 AM |
#106 |
| -
It didn't stop you from using it to blame Gates for what happened. |
Raineyb |
Jul-27-09 06:22 AM |
#170 |
| -
n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:27 PM |
#24 |
| -
His report doesn't state that when she called 911 she said |
LisaL |
Jul-26-09 11:33 PM |
#33 |
| -
i dont agree lisa. you are making the assumption she later saw color. |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:39 PM |
#47 |
| -
Why does a witness have a lawyer? |
imdjh |
Jul-26-09 11:53 PM |
#58 |
| -
The lawyer is acting as spokesperson to the press. |
EFerrari |
Jul-26-09 11:56 PM |
#61 |
| -
Perhaps she felt that knee-jerk reactionaries were |
MUAD_DIB |
Jul-26-09 11:56 PM |
#64 |
| -
or maybe she didnt see the race and she doesnt like crowley attributing it to her? |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:58 PM |
#68 |
| -
From the police report. |
MUAD_DIB |
Jul-27-09 12:09 AM |
#87 |
| -
yes, i read. but lawyer said she could not see race. and then she can state race to police |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 12:13 AM |
#90 |
| -
Her lawyer wasn't there. |
LisaL |
Jul-27-09 01:40 AM |
#137 |
| -
Neither was Crowley at the time. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 01:54 AM |
#144 |
| -
i am thinking since witness hired lawyer to be spokesperson, lawyer is speaking witness word |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 08:27 AM |
#173 |
| -
When they feel they're being tampered with could be 1 reason |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 12:03 AM |
#76 |
| -
The driver had already left when Crowley got there. If Lucia didn't say "two black men" ... |
imdjh |
Jul-26-09 11:56 PM |
#62 |
| -
now there are questions.... yup. n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-26-09 11:57 PM |
#65 |
| -
Why? Gates didn't write that report. Crowley did. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:00 AM |
#70 |
| -
and if she was standing on the sidewalk in front of house. saw the three or more cases of luggage |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 12:00 AM |
#72 |
| -
That's a good one. We need to know where the car was. I'm suspicious of Lucia in this. |
imdjh |
Jul-27-09 12:12 AM |
#89 |
| -
Why is it odd? She is a concerned citizen. |
LisaL |
Jul-27-09 12:30 AM |
#107 |
| -
Not only DU unless her spokesperson issued a statement just for us. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:34 AM |
#111 |
| -
I didn't say it was odd to call it in. That's good citizen. |
imdjh |
Jul-27-09 12:53 AM |
#123 |
| -
She doesn't have a house there. She works nearby and was |
tblue37 |
Jul-27-09 02:25 AM |
#156 |
| -
She doesn't live on the street |
TorchTheWitch |
Jul-27-09 04:38 AM |
#168 |
| -
I case you hadn't noticed |
imdjh |
Jul-27-09 10:16 AM |
#180 |
| -
She couldn't "peek through her curtains" or "stay on her own porch". She lives in a different town. |
AlGore-08.com |
Jul-27-09 02:02 AM |
#148 |
| -
She's worked somewhere about one hundred yards |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 02:21 AM |
#153 |
| -
Yeah because they first reported that she was 77 years old - I'm sure |
seaglass |
Jul-27-09 05:56 AM |
#169 |
| -
And don't forget - |
Tangerine LaBamba |
Jul-27-09 07:04 AM |
#171 |
| -
That's also part of why, even after indentifying inhabitants; cops request an evac especially... |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 12:24 AM |
#99 |
| -
But most cops have language. After the ID, they can verbalize |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 12:27 AM |
#102 |
| -
Not per this incident it would seem, buh-sides - It's harder to do than many are able imagine... |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 01:04 AM |
#126 |
| -
So can we believe that Gates was "tumultuous" because the PR says so? |
JonLP24 |
Jul-27-09 01:50 AM |
#142 |
| -
I don't think we can. |
musicblind |
Jul-27-09 12:55 PM |
#194 |
| -
the obvious to me, if this witness did not say this, he attributed to her, her lies... |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 12:57 PM |
#196 |
| -
"what appeared to be two black males with backpacks . . |
JDPriestly |
Jul-27-09 02:45 AM |
#159 |
| -
You're right. It is well written. I missed that completely. nt |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 02:53 AM |
#162 |
| -
What does nt mean? I read it all the time and don't really know. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-27-09 03:28 AM |
#166 |
| -
No text. Did you check the other version of the story posted below? |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 03:31 AM |
#167 |
| -
The officer clearly stated that at the scene of the professor's house, |
JDPriestly |
Jul-27-09 12:29 PM |
#187 |
| -
Thanks for the explanation, by the way. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-27-09 12:31 PM |
#188 |
| -
It means no text but don't feel bad for not knowing |
musicblind |
Jul-27-09 12:56 PM |
#195 |
| -
Yup 'cause Police can barely spell their own names.... |
whistler162 |
Jul-27-09 07:35 AM |
#172 |
| -
No, gracious poster, but because people who don't write for a living |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 10:03 AM |
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People writing such reports don't usually pay attention to grammar the same way they would an essay. |
musicblind |
Jul-27-09 12:58 PM |
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Woman who called Cambridge Police says she never referred to intruders as black |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 03:14 AM |
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so why does it matter. if she never said black then crowley put in report to be thorough though not |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 08:32 AM |
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I don't know that it does matter but, it makes his eventual arrest of Gates |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 10:06 AM |
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Jul-27-09 10:08 AM |
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Her story gets spun by the police in the version in the OP. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 10:14 AM |
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Jul-27-09 10:16 AM |
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There is nothing racist in describing a suspect, that's right. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 10:30 AM |
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but the point is. she never mentioned race. her statement written by crowley says she mentioned |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 11:02 AM |
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And she says, she never talked to Crowley. You were right, he was lying. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 02:31 PM |
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thru out the whole night.... it was obvious and all PRETENDED as if not there. as they lectured |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 02:38 PM |
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Yeah, they gave me a headache. |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 03:05 PM |
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Jul-27-09 10:15 AM |
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No, that's wrong. She never said they were black. She couldn't see them |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 10:32 AM |
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Even though one of the men had already entered the house with a key. |
jeffrey_X |
Jul-27-09 12:41 PM |
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The house had NOT been broken in before. |
WeDidIt |
Jul-27-09 12:44 PM |
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'A police source told ABC News that Gates' front door showed marks from where a previous break-in' |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 01:12 PM |
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My thought was that the door was stuck because someone may have tried it |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 03:20 PM |
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who knows.... they lie. n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 03:26 PM |
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K n R |
cherokeeprogressive |
Jul-27-09 11:44 AM |
#185 |
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That's nice..but... that doesn't change anything, IMO |
ecstatic |
Jul-27-09 01:07 PM |
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Did you see that it turns out, Crowley never talked to her at all? |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 02:28 PM |
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oh.... I see.... |
ecstatic |
Jul-27-09 03:25 PM |
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NO ONE questions them. tehy can do what they want. ONE unnecessary lie makes whole |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 03:27 PM |
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ONE, 'technicality', sends 5 duffel bags of heroin, in NYC, scot free... |
bridgit |
Jul-27-09 11:52 PM |
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Because he was trying to justify his arrest? |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 03:42 PM |
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So why isn't the media framing it as Crowley LIED in police report? |
ecstatic |
Jul-27-09 04:16 PM |
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did yu uever hear them say, bush, cheney lied. n./t |
seabeyond |
Jul-27-09 04:18 PM |
#216 |
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There's more here: |
EFerrari |
Jul-27-09 04:18 PM |
#217 |
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