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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-26-09 11:12 PM
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13. Lot of vicious people here.
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  -Gates caller didnt cite race, police say EFerrari  Jul-26-09 10:56 PM   #0 
  - So she cited backpacks? Ha! Let me guess; she wants a book deal? nt  babylonsister   Jul-26-09 10:58 PM   #1 
  - maybe she's just pissed at being painted as racist for no reason  Skittles   Jul-26-09 11:00 PM   #2 
  - Then she knows how Gates feels  merh   Jul-26-09 11:04 PM   #4 
  - So true!  babylonsister   Jul-26-09 11:07 PM   #7 
  - Exactly.  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:08 PM   #8 
  - Maybe the fact that Crowley put it into the police report threw people.  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:13 PM   #14 
  - His report is consistent.  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:15 PM   #15 
     - Her lawyer says she did not report two black men.  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:24 PM   #20 
     - The report doesn't claim she said the men were black when  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:26 PM   #23 
        - Right. Neither does it reflect that she apparently told the dispatcher  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:35 PM   #37 
           - I doubt Crowley at the time heard her 911 call.  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:36 PM   #40 
              - Right. I'd like to hear that 911 tape. It's hard to see how two men  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:37 PM   #43 
     - no it isnt. lawyer said she saw only back. not later she saw they were black. it makes no sense.  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:38 PM   #44 
     - When writing up a police report,  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-26-09 11:54 PM   #59 
        - attributing it to a statement the witness made when the witness did not make it is... a lie???? nt  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:56 PM   #63 
        - There's nothing wrong with including race. It just generally doesn't change  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:59 PM   #69 
        - One had no mention of race -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:04 AM   #81 
           - I'm sorry if you are having trouble. Before this statement in the OP  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:08 AM   #86 
              - HAHAHAHA!  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:15 AM   #91 
                 - Yeah, this is just a little bizarre. I've translated a lot of cases  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:16 AM   #94 
                    - See?  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:18 AM   #96 
                       - Translating, not transcribing. But, yeah. It is.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:20 AM   #97 
        - "what appeared to be two black males with backpacks . . . ."  JDPriestly   Jul-27-09 02:42 AM   #158 
        - Gates's report says that Ms. Whalen told him the men appeared to be black.  JDPriestly   Jul-27-09 02:49 AM   #161 
  - Too many DU knee jerkers have.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-26-09 11:38 PM   #46 
  - No one has painted her as a racist. And she's not saying that she didn't say two black men.  imdjh   Jul-27-09 12:02 AM   #75 
     - No one did? Just on DU alone, how many have claimed she  LisaL   Jul-27-09 12:25 AM   #100 
     - if she saw black men, then that is description. that would not be racial profiling.  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 12:29 AM   #104 
     - No one said she was racial profiling.  merh   Jul-27-09 12:37 AM   #113 
     - I wasn't aware of that, but I suppose if anyone could be accused of it, then it would be her.  imdjh   Jul-27-09 12:41 AM   #117 
     - are you kidding  Skittles   Jul-27-09 12:30 AM   #108 
        - Sorry I missed that. But frankly it would fall into the category of noise.  imdjh   Jul-27-09 12:46 AM   #119 
  - if she didnt say they were black, how do we know she said backpack. maybe crowley made  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:28 PM   #27 
  - The police report actually says that Whalan described the men in person.  imdjh   Jul-26-09 11:41 PM   #51 
  - Release the 911 tapes  merh   Jul-26-09 11:03 PM   #3 
  - This just gets more bizarre. So, the cop was not looking for black intruders?  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:05 PM   #5 
     - that must be why they were so surprised to find black men there!!!  omega minimo   Jul-26-09 11:10 PM   #12 
     - According to his report, he has talked to her in front of the house.  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:18 PM   #16 
     - That isn't what her lawyer is saying, is it?  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:26 PM   #21 
        - Well there is no way to check what she told him in front of the house  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:27 PM   #26 
     - He was looking for the backs of intruders  merh   Jul-27-09 12:02 AM   #73 
        - LOL  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:04 AM   #79 
        - These can't be the right guys.  ContinentalOp   Jul-27-09 11:59 AM   #186 
  - (shrug) Release the unedited call recording. Either she's lying or the police are.  BlooInBloo   Jul-26-09 11:07 PM   #6 
  - Did you even read the article? Police commissioner says  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:10 PM   #11 
     - "The report says Whalen observed what appeared to be two black males..."  BlooInBloo   Jul-26-09 11:22 PM   #17 
        - When she talked to him in person in front of the house.  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:24 PM   #19 
           - Then releasing the unedited recording won't pose any problems for anyone.  BlooInBloo   Jul-26-09 11:31 PM   #29 
           - Assuming there is a recording of a conversation in front of the house.  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:34 PM   #35 
              - That would be nice as well. I'll settle for the 911 call though - we know that exists.  BlooInBloo   Jul-26-09 11:37 PM   #42 
           - still doesnt make sense. saying she didnt report race, couldnt see. only saw back.  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:36 PM   #39 
              - If you see someone from the back you can definetly see a backpack.  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:38 PM   #45 
                 - lawyer said no. and they didnt have backpacks. they had luggage sittin around per gaters. nt  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:40 PM   #48 
                 - the cop lied. n/t  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 02:41 PM   #205 
  - That should be provable enough, release the tape  bridgit   Jul-26-09 11:09 PM   #9 
  - there's been a rash of hunchback breakins near the bell tower.  omega minimo   Jul-26-09 11:09 PM   #10 
  - When those start,  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-26-09 11:33 PM   #31 
  - somebody RING THE BELL!!!!!!!!  omega minimo   Jul-26-09 11:36 PM   #41 
     - That's COLD, dammit -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-26-09 11:41 PM   #50 
        - LOL  omega minimo   Jul-26-09 11:48 PM   #54 
  - That's a quasi MO.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-26-09 11:58 PM   #66 
     - DING! DING! DING!  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:00 AM   #71 
     - BONG BONG BONG We have a bell ringer!!  omega minimo   Jul-27-09 12:04 AM   #80 
     - just awful  omega minimo   Jul-27-09 12:03 AM   #78 
        - Are you jealous?  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:05 AM   #83 
           - Hey!!  omega minimo   Jul-27-09 12:37 AM   #115 
              - BALLS!  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:43 AM   #118 
                 - harumph  omega minimo   Jul-27-09 01:02 AM   #125 
                    - HA!  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 01:05 AM   #127 
                       - Sorry fool  omega minimo   Jul-27-09 01:57 AM   #146 
                          - Oh, these kids who think they discovered fire -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 02:07 AM   #149 
  - Lot of vicious people here.  timeforpeace   Jul-26-09 11:12 PM   #13 
  - Yes, they can be. Do not read either.  Duckhunter935   Jul-26-09 11:23 PM   #18 
     - The matter of race can bring out  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-26-09 11:35 PM   #38 
        - What they are talking about now are the ECC tapes, I think.  imdjh   Jul-26-09 11:51 PM   #56 
        - Where did you read that?  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:55 PM   #60 
        - Crowley's police report says that she was there when he arrived and said "two black males"  PurityOfEssence   Jul-27-09 12:51 AM   #121 
           - So far, looks like the "certaintists" were right in the first place.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 01:06 AM   #128 
           - Report says "appeared to be black males."  LisaL   Jul-27-09 01:09 AM   #129 
           - Absolutely -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 01:31 AM   #134 
              - good post nt  imdjh   Jul-27-09 12:39 PM   #189 
              - Well written post  musicblind   Jul-27-09 12:53 PM   #193 
              - Crowley lied. The witness says she never spoke to him.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 02:35 PM   #203 
  - What would be wrong if she did mention their race? How about Gender? Height? Species?  masuki bance   Jul-26-09 11:26 PM   #22 
  - That isn't really the point. We were led to believe she reported seeing  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:27 PM   #25 
     - What difference does it make? nt  masuki bance   Jul-26-09 11:30 PM   #28 
     - It makes a difference that Crowley was not looking for a black man  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:33 PM   #32 
        - ?  masuki bance   Jul-26-09 11:34 PM   #36 
     - Bingo!  MrScorpio   Jul-26-09 11:31 PM   #30 
     - Maybe it was inserted when Gates said "This is what happens to a black man in America!"? nt  masuki bance   Jul-26-09 11:34 PM   #34 
     - As it has been reported she was a passer bye and not a neighbor.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-26-09 11:52 PM   #57 
     - From the linked article:  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-26-09 11:58 PM   #67 
     - Yes, a good deed, but she now feels that she needs a lawyer.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-27-09 12:04 AM   #82 
     - But the idea that Crowley was responding to a report about two black men  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:03 AM   #77 
        - From the report...  MUAD_DIB   Jul-27-09 12:08 AM   #85 
           - And what do you make of that quotation?  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:09 AM   #88 
              - I read it as I read it.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-27-09 12:16 AM   #93 
     - Gates wasn't her neighbor  TorchTheWitch   Jul-27-09 02:55 AM   #163 
     - The 911 call and her statement to Crowley are two separate issues.  MercutioATC   Jul-26-09 11:40 PM   #49 
        - lawyer stated the woman could not see color, only their back. if she later saw race  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:42 PM   #52 
        - Exactly.  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:43 PM   #53 
        - Not in the police report. And the races of suspects are asked  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:49 PM   #55 
           - You really need to be more specific if you're going to make a rational argument.  MercutioATC   Jul-27-09 12:02 AM   #74 
              - Of course those statements aren't mutually exclusive -- NOW.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:07 AM   #84 
                 - The incident report makes no such claim...even by assumption.  MercutioATC   Jul-27-09 12:16 AM   #92 
                    - then why did the lawyer say she could not see the race, saw only back. n/t  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 12:17 AM   #95 
                    - I think if you go back to the initial reports in the press  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:24 AM   #98 
                       - And as we all know, press reports are always so accurate.  LisaL   Jul-27-09 12:27 AM   #101 
                          - Especially when they're working off of one incident report.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:29 AM   #103 
                          - Which just speaks to the sloppiness of  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:32 AM   #110 
                          - The way this matter has evolved  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:29 AM   #105 
                          - Looks like Crowley helped this witness ID those two men as black  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:32 AM   #109 
                             - No, it does not -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:35 AM   #112 
                             - the lawyer says she couldnt see the race. the incident report says she said.... n/t  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 12:37 AM   #114 
                             - Well, yes it does. She couldn't identify their races initially  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:39 AM   #116 
                                - Yes, it happens all the time -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:50 AM   #120 
                                   - No, it doesn't happen all the time. That's why race is asked for  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:52 AM   #122 
                                   - You're confused -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 01:13 AM   #130 
                                      - then why didnt she see the luggage. them carry luggage in. driver leaving and driving away  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 01:17 AM   #131 
                                      - Actually, according to the lawyer, she was confused about the races  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 01:24 AM   #132 
                                         - My understanding, from that article at the link in the OP,  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 01:45 AM   #141 
                                            - She wasn't in her office when she saw what looked like a break in, she was en route.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 01:51 AM   #143 
                                            - No one alleged that she was in her office -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 02:02 AM   #147 
                                            - The thin air was you suggesting that she couldn't see a break in  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 02:13 AM   #150 
                                            - Your comment about three hundred yards -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 02:19 AM   #152 
                                            - Yes, you check if the University owns the place when the guy inside  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 02:41 AM   #157 
                                            - That first sentence?  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 02:47 AM   #160 
                                            - According to his report, Crowley talked to the caller when  LisaL   Jul-27-09 02:14 AM   #151 
                                            - Yeah, that's why I guessed  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 02:24 AM   #155 
                                            - the cop lied. n/t  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 02:42 PM   #206 
                                            - The Herald's version of this story is even more clear.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 10:16 AM   # 
                                   - totally a guess, and possible, but a guess. and lawyer stated she didnt see. n/t  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 12:58 AM   #124 
                             - So now you're accusing Crowley of witness tampering? Curiouser & Curiouser  bridgit   Jul-27-09 01:26 AM   #133 
                             - Am I? Those guys weren't black when she talked to the dispatcher.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 01:40 AM   #136 
                                - Oh sure, "helped this witness" please, let's not even try to be coy...  bridgit   Jul-27-09 01:55 AM   #145 
                                   - Amen -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 02:23 AM   #154 
                                   - You seem to believe I have some kind of evil intention, which is strange.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 03:01 AM   #164 
                                      - Not so strange as it becomes it peculiar to understand the levels of omission people...  bridgit   Jul-27-09 12:46 PM   #192 
                                         - Looks like Crowley didn't even talk to this woman. He made it up.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 02:25 PM   #200 
                                            - Eh fuck Crowley, he's just another ego driven jar-head, I am a tad put off...  bridgit   Jul-27-09 02:50 PM   #207 
                                               - I cannot watch them at all. They are horrible. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 03:19 PM   #209 
                             - Why?  masuki bance   Jul-27-09 01:36 AM   #135 
                                - The point of this new article is that she did not identify two black men  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 01:40 AM   #138 
                                   - Crowley's report doesn't say she did in the 911 call.  LisaL   Jul-27-09 01:43 AM   #139 
                                      - That's right. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 01:45 AM   #140 
                          - delete - double post  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 12:30 AM   #106 
                          - It didn't stop you from using it to blame Gates for what happened.  Raineyb   Jul-27-09 06:22 AM   #170 
  - n/t  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:27 PM   #24 
  - His report doesn't state that when she called 911 she said  LisaL   Jul-26-09 11:33 PM   #33 
     - i dont agree lisa. you are making the assumption she later saw color.  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:39 PM   #47 
        - Why does a witness have a lawyer?  imdjh   Jul-26-09 11:53 PM   #58 
        - The lawyer is acting as spokesperson to the press.  EFerrari   Jul-26-09 11:56 PM   #61 
        - Perhaps she felt that knee-jerk reactionaries were  MUAD_DIB   Jul-26-09 11:56 PM   #64 
        - or maybe she didnt see the race and she doesnt like crowley attributing it to her?  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:58 PM   #68 
           - From the police report.  MUAD_DIB   Jul-27-09 12:09 AM   #87 
              - yes, i read. but lawyer said she could not see race. and then she can state race to police  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 12:13 AM   #90 
                 - Her lawyer wasn't there.  LisaL   Jul-27-09 01:40 AM   #137 
                    - Neither was Crowley at the time.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 01:54 AM   #144 
                    - i am thinking since witness hired lawyer to be spokesperson, lawyer is speaking witness word  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 08:27 AM   #173 
        - When they feel they're being tampered with could be 1 reason  bridgit   Jul-27-09 12:03 AM   #76 
        - The driver had already left when Crowley got there. If Lucia didn't say "two black men" ...  imdjh   Jul-26-09 11:56 PM   #62 
           - now there are questions.... yup. n/t  seabeyond   Jul-26-09 11:57 PM   #65 
           - Why? Gates didn't write that report. Crowley did.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:00 AM   #70 
           - and if she was standing on the sidewalk in front of house. saw the three or more cases of luggage  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 12:00 AM   #72 
           - That's a good one. We need to know where the car was. I'm suspicious of Lucia in this.  imdjh   Jul-27-09 12:12 AM   #89 
              - Why is it odd? She is a concerned citizen.  LisaL   Jul-27-09 12:30 AM   #107 
              - Not only DU unless her spokesperson issued a statement just for us.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:34 AM   #111 
              - I didn't say it was odd to call it in. That's good citizen.  imdjh   Jul-27-09 12:53 AM   #123 
                 - She doesn't have a house there. She works nearby and was  tblue37   Jul-27-09 02:25 AM   #156 
                 - She doesn't live on the street  TorchTheWitch   Jul-27-09 04:38 AM   #168 
                    - I case you hadn't noticed  imdjh   Jul-27-09 10:16 AM   #180 
              - She couldn't "peek through her curtains" or "stay on her own porch". She lives in a different town.  AlGore-08.com   Jul-27-09 02:02 AM   #148 
                 - She's worked somewhere about one hundred yards  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 02:21 AM   #153 
                    - Yeah because they first reported that she was 77 years old - I'm sure  seaglass   Jul-27-09 05:56 AM   #169 
                       - And don't forget -  Tangerine LaBamba   Jul-27-09 07:04 AM   #171 
           - That's also part of why, even after indentifying inhabitants; cops request an evac especially...  bridgit   Jul-27-09 12:24 AM   #99 
              - But most cops have language. After the ID, they can verbalize  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 12:27 AM   #102 
                 - Not per this incident it would seem, buh-sides - It's harder to do than many are able imagine...  bridgit   Jul-27-09 01:04 AM   #126 
  - So can we believe that Gates was "tumultuous" because the PR says so?  JonLP24   Jul-27-09 01:50 AM   #142 
  - I don't think we can.  musicblind   Jul-27-09 12:55 PM   #194 
     - the obvious to me, if this witness did not say this, he attributed to her, her lies...  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 12:57 PM   #196 
  - "what appeared to be two black males with backpacks . .  JDPriestly   Jul-27-09 02:45 AM   #159 
  - You're right. It is well written. I missed that completely. nt  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 02:53 AM   #162 
  - What does nt mean? I read it all the time and don't really know.  JDPriestly   Jul-27-09 03:28 AM   #166 
     - No text. Did you check the other version of the story posted below?  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 03:31 AM   #167 
     - The officer clearly stated that at the scene of the professor's house,  JDPriestly   Jul-27-09 12:29 PM   #187 
     - Thanks for the explanation, by the way.  JDPriestly   Jul-27-09 12:31 PM   #188 
     - It means no text but don't feel bad for not knowing  musicblind   Jul-27-09 12:56 PM   #195 
  - Yup 'cause Police can barely spell their own names....  whistler162   Jul-27-09 07:35 AM   #172 
     - No, gracious poster, but because people who don't write for a living  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 10:03 AM   #175 
     - People writing such reports don't usually pay attention to grammar the same way they would an essay.  musicblind   Jul-27-09 12:58 PM   #197 
  - Woman who called Cambridge Police says she never referred to intruders as black  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 03:14 AM   #165 
  - so why does it matter. if she never said black then crowley put in report to be thorough though not  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 08:32 AM   #174 
     - I don't know that it does matter but, it makes his eventual arrest of Gates  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 10:06 AM   #176 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-09 10:08 AM   #177 
  - Her story gets spun by the police in the version in the OP.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 10:14 AM   #178 
     - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-09 10:16 AM   #181 
        - There is nothing racist in describing a suspect, that's right. n/t  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 10:30 AM   #182 
        - but the point is. she never mentioned race. her statement written by crowley says she mentioned  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 11:02 AM   #184 
           - And she says, she never talked to Crowley. You were right, he was lying.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 02:31 PM   #202 
              - thru out the whole night.... it was obvious and all PRETENDED as if not there. as they lectured  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 02:38 PM   #204 
                 - Yeah, they gave me a headache.  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 03:05 PM   #208 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-27-09 10:15 AM   #179 
  - No, that's wrong. She never said they were black. She couldn't see them  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 10:32 AM   #183 
  - Even though one of the men had already entered the house with a key.  jeffrey_X   Jul-27-09 12:41 PM   #190 
  - The house had NOT been broken in before.  WeDidIt   Jul-27-09 12:44 PM   #191 
     - 'A police source told ABC News that Gates' front door showed marks from where a previous break-in'  bridgit   Jul-27-09 01:12 PM   #199 
        - My thought was that the door was stuck because someone may have tried it  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 03:20 PM   #210 
           - who knows.... they lie. n/t  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 03:26 PM   #212 
  - K n R  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-27-09 11:44 AM   #185 
  - That's nice..but... that doesn't change anything, IMO  ecstatic   Jul-27-09 01:07 PM   #198 
     - Did you see that it turns out, Crowley never talked to her at all?  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 02:28 PM   #201 
        - oh.... I see....  ecstatic   Jul-27-09 03:25 PM   #211 
           - NO ONE questions them. tehy can do what they want. ONE unnecessary lie makes whole  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 03:27 PM   #213 
           - ONE, 'technicality', sends 5 duffel bags of heroin, in NYC, scot free...  bridgit   Jul-27-09 11:52 PM   #218 
           - Because he was trying to justify his arrest?  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 03:42 PM   #214 
              - So why isn't the media framing it as Crowley LIED in police report?  ecstatic   Jul-27-09 04:16 PM   #215 
                 - did yu uever hear them say, bush, cheney lied. n./t  seabeyond   Jul-27-09 04:18 PM   #216 
                 - There's more here:  EFerrari   Jul-27-09 04:18 PM   #217 
 

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