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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-27-09 11:51 AM
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79. yes, you make a lot of sense
Edited on Mon Jul-27-09 11:55 AM by noiretextatique
because america has never dealt with slavery. it's never admitted its wrong-doing to slaves or their descendants who lived with 100 years of american apartheid, aka, jim crow. nor has it faced the facts of institutionalized racism that still impacts people today. the general attitude has been: ooops...sorry about all that folks, but we can't pay reparations because white people are too racist. that's why former slaves didn't get reparations either. and sorry about that race riot and theft of property in tulsa folks, but the LIVING victims won't get a dime or their property back. but hey...let's erect a memorial to racist theft and murder...but we can't pay the LIVING victims any money directly.
HYPOCRISY and DENIAL, thy name is america.

one last thing, regarding the gates incident, it struck me that some people here were advocating that black people, when confronted by the police, need to act like black people had to act towards all white people during jim crow and slavery: cower and defer. do you know how insulting it is for white people to "advise" black people to cower and defer to this most glaring symbol of white supremacy? police were the enforcers of white supremacy in the south and elsewhere. police were participants in racist violence, and they did little to assist the victims of it.

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  - yes, you make a lot of sense  noiretextatique   Jul-27-09 11:51 AM   #79 
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