warren pease
(1000+ posts)
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Sun Jul-26-09 01:42 AM
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| 104. Riding while white, long-haired and raggedy-assed in the early '70s... |
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I'm riding in the passenger seat of a friend's car, fast asleep, middle of the night, dead to the world. Next thing I knew, I was picked up by the armpits and deposited in the gravel on the side of the highway. Then the screaming and flashlights go off, just before the kicking begins. Since all three of us were sober, had no open containers or drugs, the cops felt it necessary to supply us with something.
So we went to jail for possession on planted evidence -- four one-ounce baggies of that incredibly noxious and useless pot that used to sell for $10 or $15 back then. Amazingly, only one of them showed up on the police report. We were fortunate we weren't charged with possession with intent... We all got 30 hours community service, which none of us ever did, and life moved on.
Fast forward about 25 years and I'm doing 110 in a 55 -- no shit -- and of course I get stopped by a Santa Clara County sheriff. I'm wearing a nice Italian suit and tasteful silk tie, driving a year-old Accord, hair trimmed to respectability and I he asks me if I know why he pulled me over. I tell him I simply can't imagine why he pulled me over, at which point we both bust out laughing. And after we yuk it up for a couple more minutes, he lets me go with a warning.
Like a recidivist, career speeder is going to give a shit about a warning from a sheriff. We both know it's an exercise in futility.
We both take off, spinning our tires in the same damn gravel I got a face-full of on the Hwy 237 roadside, but that time on the way to Santa Clara County jail 25 years prior.
So gee whiz... do you suppose profiling actually exists?
Can you imagine how dead I'd be if I were a black man?
Or if allowed to live, how many counts of possession with intent to distribute I'd have had lodged against me?
Or how I probably couldn't afford a decent lawyer and would have got some deal-cutting PD instead?
And how I might still be in jail to this day on a classic chicken-shit beef like that?
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Racial Profiling -- My Personal Story |
Renaissance Man |
Jul-25-09 07:56 AM |
#0 |

You know that you had every right NOT to consent to that search? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-25-09 08:02 AM |
#1 |
 
Unfortunately, they'll just drag it out and make it worse. |
TexasObserver |
Jul-25-09 08:20 AM |
#6 |
  
You are quite correct |
MrScorpio |
Jul-25-09 08:29 AM |
#9 |
   
Tactics...like completely tearing the car apart and destroying it! |
bobbolink |
Jul-25-09 09:38 PM |
#83 |
  
Time to shut down the tactics. |
midnight |
Jul-25-09 11:44 PM |
#101 |
  
+1 |
slampoet |
Jul-25-09 06:25 PM |
#58 |
 
Did he really? |
malaise |
Jul-25-09 08:42 AM |
#14 |
  
That's the nature of the Fourth Amendment |
MrScorpio |
Jul-25-09 08:49 AM |
#17 |
 
In a real sense many minority kids are socialized to give up |
malaise |
Jul-25-09 09:52 AM |
#26 |
 
Or just to stay alive (nt) |
varelse |
Jul-25-09 05:56 PM |
#54 |
 
True, he had every RIGHT, but as one who lived in Louisiana |
HillWilliam |
Jul-25-09 09:26 AM |
#22 |
  
There is the best practices America and then, there is the REAL America |
MrScorpio |
Jul-25-09 09:37 AM |
#24 |
   
I appreciate your support |
HillWilliam |
Jul-25-09 10:53 AM |
#29 |
  
and women. |
omega minimo |
Jul-25-09 06:19 PM |
#56 |
  
When we are beaten and raped, America shrugs. |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-25-09 10:50 AM |
#28 |
   
Hell, a good part of America cheers |
HillWilliam |
Jul-25-09 11:07 AM |
#30 |
  
:( |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-25-09 02:33 PM |
#40 |
  
I won't stop in Mississippi, on principle alone. |
PSzymeczek |
Jul-25-09 09:10 PM |
#79 |
 
Smart! |
WillieW |
Jul-26-09 12:35 PM |
#117 |
 
A black man with a police officer |
Hutzpa |
Jul-25-09 02:31 PM |
#38 |
 
The police believe that if you don't consent to their searches, you have |
The Backlash Cometh |
Jul-25-09 06:37 PM |
#63 |
 
I read your post |
quakerboy |
Jul-25-09 08:12 PM |
#74 |
 
One big YAWN.... |
Butch350 |
Jul-25-09 11:35 PM |
#97 |

Ok, Butchie. What's up with the major 'tude? nt |
MrScorpio |
Jul-25-09 11:40 PM |
#99 |

Recommend |
TexasObserver |
Jul-25-09 08:03 AM |
#2 |

Thank you for this excellent post. It isn't just a racial issue, it's a power issue. Where I live, |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jul-25-09 08:05 AM |
#3 |
 
Happens here too |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-25-09 09:26 AM |
#23 |
 
My SO used to get ticketed for DWP in a wealthy area |
Patiod |
Jul-25-09 04:50 PM |
#45 |
 
Thank you. My 26-yr-old son was constantly harassed by police from |
Nay |
Jul-25-09 10:13 PM |
#87 |

Oh, Stop Already....PLEASE!!! Sometimes Police Go Too Far... Sometimes |
ChiciB1 |
Jul-25-09 08:12 AM |
#4 |
 
Who said the following words? |
Renaissance Man |
Jul-25-09 08:16 AM |
#5 |
  
You Did The Right Thing |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-25-09 08:24 AM |
#7 |
  
I UNDERSTAND, I REALLY Understand! Could Seem Like I'm Shoving |
ChiciB1 |
Jul-25-09 08:38 AM |
#12 |
   
Oh, I Also Need To Add To My Comment... THIS Lady... No This Litigious |
ChiciB1 |
Jul-25-09 12:01 PM |
#33 |
  
Sounds like you got a little chip on your shoulder. (IMHO) |
Butch350 |
Jul-26-09 08:56 AM |
#113 |
 
"But I'm not really sure this is one of those times!" |
Chulanowa |
Jul-25-09 02:11 PM |
#36 |
 
Do you truly not get that you are doing EXACTLY what the OP accused certain white people of doing? |
Number23 |
Jul-25-09 06:31 PM |
#59 |
  
Obviously, You Completely Miss My Point... But Then Who Cares? |
ChiciB1 |
Jul-25-09 10:44 PM |
#89 |
 
Your cluelessness is blanketed only by your hysteria. |
Number23 |
Jul-25-09 11:03 PM |
#93 |
 
Well, stay off the thread if you want to talk about something else. |
tabatha |
Jul-25-09 07:57 PM |
#70 |
 
The woman who called in the complaint wasn't actually a neighbor who would |
pnwmom |
Jul-25-09 09:45 PM |
#84 |
 
'Minorities do get the short end of the "stick" quite a bit, more than I think necessary,' |
Seldona |
Jul-25-09 11:37 PM |
#98 |

My guess is that it would be hard to find an adult black man in America |
annabanana |
Jul-25-09 08:26 AM |
#8 |

Did you yell and scream and protest? No!? The results? |
Butch350 |
Jul-25-09 08:30 AM |
#10 |
 
Yeah, He Should Have Complied, Then Went On His Way. And Reported Him Later |
DemocratSinceBirth |
Jul-25-09 08:33 AM |
#11 |
 
I think even you missed the point... |
Renaissance Man |
Jul-25-09 08:38 AM |
#13 |
  
Get over your self and play the hand life deals you... |
Butch350 |
Jul-25-09 08:44 AM |
#16 |
   
Condescend much, fuckhead? |
Jim Sagle |
Jul-25-09 03:48 PM |
#44 |
   
maybe one day you'll quit sitting in the 'coloreds only' section |
nini |
Jul-25-09 08:02 PM |
#71 |
   
Another black man concurs |
ejbr |
Jul-25-09 11:18 PM |
#95 |
  
You also waived your Constitutional rights |
rucky |
Jul-25-09 12:10 PM |
#34 |
  
I almost got locked up in GA... |
knixphan |
Jul-25-09 05:51 PM |
#52 |
  
Yes - and that is what is saddest. |
Ms. Toad |
Jul-25-09 10:04 PM |
#86 |
  
Good For You... I Understand What You're Saying... Racism IS Alive And |
ChiciB1 |
Jul-25-09 10:55 PM |
#90 |
 
"The best way to combat this type of situation is not to act sterotypical" |
Number23 |
Jul-25-09 06:34 PM |
#60 |

no shit |
nini |
Jul-25-09 08:04 PM |
#72 |

despite the claims to the contrary, police abuse of authority is systemic, not an aberration. |
KG |
Jul-25-09 08:42 AM |
#15 |
 
Bingo! |
Karenina |
Jul-25-09 09:03 AM |
#21 |

"Profiling" of any type for the reason of harassment is wrong. |
hobbit709 |
Jul-25-09 08:49 AM |
#18 |
 
Deleted sub-thread |
Name removed |
Jul-25-09 08:58 AM |
#19 |

Obviously, Sergeant Crowley acted stupidly! |
L. Coyote |
Jul-25-09 08:59 AM |
#20 |
 
I was white profiled once |
conscious evolution |
Jul-25-09 10:09 AM |
#27 |
  
Me too... |
chasitynola |
Jul-25-09 08:34 PM |
#76 |
 
VW bus profiled... |
chasitynola |
Jul-25-09 08:37 PM |
#77 |

A CHIP told me I was pulled over for weaving. There was a 40 mph side wind!! |
L. Coyote |
Jul-25-09 09:30 PM |
#81 |

Well said. |
MADem |
Jul-25-09 09:48 AM |
#25 |

Thank you for your story. |
Hav |
Jul-25-09 11:36 AM |
#31 |

My Story |
yellowwood |
Jul-25-09 11:39 AM |
#32 |
 
when it happens to you, it opens your eyes |
Patiod |
Jul-25-09 05:05 PM |
#46 |

I got lost in Durham |
Pavulon |
Jul-25-09 12:12 PM |
#35 |
 
Exactly |
Gator_Matt |
Jul-25-09 06:41 PM |
#64 |

Every people of color |
Hutzpa |
Jul-25-09 02:26 PM |
#37 |

k&r |
Liberal_in_LA |
Jul-25-09 02:32 PM |
#39 |

"It Aint because I am Black it is because I am Broke" |
EndersDame |
Jul-25-09 02:42 PM |
#41 |
 
You mean like |
NOLALady |
Jul-25-09 07:02 PM |
#65 |

Townie cop, Harvard prof. Class harassment can go either way |
bigbrother05 |
Jul-26-09 03:23 AM |
#111 |

I'm sorry you were treated like this. |
Cybergata |
Jul-25-09 02:53 PM |
#42 |

Here is another example of over zealous police... |
madmom |
Jul-25-09 03:41 PM |
#43 |

Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-25-09 05:12 PM |
#47 |
 
Gates needed a lesson in humilty? fuck you. |
KG |
Jul-25-09 05:38 PM |
#49 |
 
I don't think you really mean that |
Advocatus_Diaboli |
Jul-25-09 05:42 PM |
#51 |

Relevancy fail |
Advocatus_Diaboli |
Jul-25-09 05:29 PM |
#48 |
 
Are you intentionally being disruptive or merely obtuse? |
MrScorpio |
Jul-25-09 07:07 PM |
#66 |
 
Boy, are you shortsighted. |
tabatha |
Jul-25-09 07:53 PM |
#69 |
 
It could not be more on topic. You on the other hand.... |
20score |
Jul-26-09 02:32 AM |
#108 |

I had several similar experiences... |
knixphan |
Jul-25-09 05:41 PM |
#50 |

Really frustrating to see this happening on a forum dedicated to progressive ideals |
varelse |
Jul-25-09 05:53 PM |
#53 |
 
I agree wholeheartedly nt |
MrScorpio |
Jul-25-09 06:36 PM |
#61 |

Well, you know..another good thing that's |
Cha |
Jul-25-09 05:57 PM |
#55 |

recommend. |
Starry Messenger |
Jul-25-09 06:25 PM |
#57 |

wonderful post |
CatWoman |
Jul-25-09 06:37 PM |
#62 |

kicked for later reading |
hfojvt |
Jul-25-09 07:12 PM |
#67 |

Thanks for your story, and those of others. |
tabatha |
Jul-25-09 07:52 PM |
#68 |

For future reference, NEVER give up your fourth amendment rights |
WeDidIt |
Jul-25-09 08:07 PM |
#73 |
 
Cause they NEVER |
quakerboy |
Jul-25-09 08:24 PM |
#75 |
  
agreed |
barbtries |
Jul-26-09 02:58 AM |
#109 |
  
"I consent to a search only if you allow it to be videotaped." |
joshcryer |
Jul-26-09 03:16 AM |
#110 |
 
I've refused to consent to searches before. |
jmm |
Jul-25-09 08:55 PM |
#78 |

A lot of it in Louisiana is out-of-state-plates. |
PSzymeczek |
Jul-25-09 09:24 PM |
#80 |

Your story had me holding my breath in fear..... that "search" could have planted "goods" |
bobbolink |
Jul-25-09 09:35 PM |
#82 |

I had a friend who was stopped all the time |
DissedByBush |
Jul-25-09 09:54 PM |
#85 |

The same thing has happened to me |
Aussie_expat |
Jul-25-09 10:33 PM |
#88 |

k+r. |
ColbertWatcher |
Jul-25-09 10:58 PM |
#91 |

I'm so sorry |
MrBig |
Jul-25-09 10:59 PM |
#92 |

We support the Panthers pulled over back in the day all the time |
RedCloud |
Jul-25-09 11:07 PM |
#94 |

in the paper today |
mimitabby |
Jul-25-09 11:19 PM |
#96 |

I'm holding my breath reading your experience. I was thinking |
midnight |
Jul-25-09 11:43 PM |
#100 |

Years ago, I had a black female boss who drove a showy Cadillac. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-25-09 11:59 PM |
#102 |

Kicked and Rec'd! |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-26-09 12:11 AM |
#103 |

Riding while white, long-haired and raggedy-assed in the early '70s... |
warren pease |
Jul-26-09 01:42 AM |
#104 |

K&R. I'm white and was beaten by the cops when I was younger for having long hair. |
20score |
Jul-26-09 02:18 AM |
#105 |

Well said! |
FourScore |
Jul-26-09 02:31 AM |
#106 |

thank you |
barbtries |
Jul-26-09 02:31 AM |
#107 |

Thanks for this... |
Lateedee |
Jul-26-09 08:43 AM |
#112 |
 
There is NO "equivalency" issue here. |
Karenina |
Jul-26-09 08:58 AM |
#114 |

deleted off topic |
imdjh |
Jul-26-09 12:32 PM |
#116 |

I don't think... |
Lateedee |
Jul-26-09 01:10 PM |
#118 |

Tschüß! |
Karenina |
Jul-26-09 01:48 PM |
#119 |

Clean story. A case of actual profiling. Glad you posted because the definition is getting blurred |
imdjh |
Jul-26-09 12:29 PM |
#115 |