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Sat Jul-25-09 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #62 |
| 64. I don't like the picture I am starting to see here in some of these posts..... |
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losta of Pavlov reflextionism based on shaky bait alone.
Almost like folks laying in wait for an excuse.
Quite scary actually, when context is now more important than ever.
Of course, I never expect the RW to deal with Context or facts so much, which is why although I detest the "I'm scared of a government ran health care program" reaction from the easily duped uninformed folks, I expect it. What I did not expect to see was the same exact same thing regarding education here at this site.... in particular on the issue of new President's proposals for some badly needed reform, as opposed to stepping back into time to pre Bush era education policies without regard to innovation or change. Seems like many liberals here don't really have an open mind, and therefore are not the true liberals they claim to be; just simply poseurs.
I'm utterly shocked to find someone actually attempting to hawk Bush as somehow being more willing to spend on education than would the current President..... cause that's just a plain lie.
Guess while others are expecting a great deal from this President, and are ready to be disappointed as soon as possible, I didn't think that it would have been too much to ask that folks consider context, nuance, and facts.
Now I am starting to realize that I actually shouldn't have been expecting much of anything more than this sad shit from Democratic Underground.
There's a debate to be had certainly, but folks starting with absolutes and digging in using partial information does not make for a informative debate.
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| -Obama-Ed: More $ to privatization, merit pay, longer school year. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 01:46 AM |
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Arne Duncan is probably Obama's worst choice after his economic team, all of whom belong in prison |
yurbud |
Jul-25-09 01:50 AM |
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Arne Duncan never received his "Type 75" administrative certification in Illinois! |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-25-09 08:11 AM |
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He's a suit, & that's why he was selected, to do PRECISELY what he's doing. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 02:46 PM |
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Obama is different--just not enough |
yurbud |
Jul-25-09 03:51 PM |
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Duncan was like every other member of the Daley administration, |
DailyGrind51 |
Jul-26-09 10:57 AM |
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That's the latest trend |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-09 12:34 AM |
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Assault on public education |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 01:50 AM |
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Detroit schools “financial czar” orders teachers to reapply for their jobs |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 02:05 AM |
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So there are a bunch of teachers waiting in the wings who want these jobs? |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-25-09 08:00 AM |
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That's funny... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-25-09 11:54 PM |
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that makes sense--we are having trouble recruiting and retaining teachers, so kick them in the nuts |
yurbud |
Jul-25-09 03:52 PM |
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Turn that frown upside down, Hannah. |
Amos Moses |
Jul-25-09 02:04 AM |
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Olaf (upon what were once knees) |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 02:08 AM |
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Well.... that's what I call stinkin' thinkin'! |
Amos Moses |
Jul-25-09 02:26 AM |
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The schools have already been overpoliticized. |
AdHocSolver |
Jul-25-09 02:16 AM |
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Agreed. Read some of the posts at Duncan's... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-25-09 11:58 PM |
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teachers unions |
paulsby |
Jul-25-09 02:25 AM |
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yes, i'm seriously suggesting that. furthermore, i have the studies to back it up. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 02:30 AM |
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dupe |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 02:30 AM |
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Teachers unions do indeed advocate for kids |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-25-09 02:40 AM |
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no more than cop unions advocate for crime victims |
paulsby |
Jul-25-09 02:45 AM |
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That is not a good analogy at all |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-25-09 02:58 AM |
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you misunderstand the meaning of "adversarial" |
paulsby |
Jul-25-09 03:06 AM |
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Teachers unions advocate for their leaders |
GoesTo11 |
Jul-25-09 08:49 AM |
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Some liberals repeat RW stereotypes as well |
Kid Dynamite |
Jul-25-09 12:46 PM |
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Name calling, but you don't know what you're talking about |
GoesTo11 |
Jul-25-09 02:11 PM |
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Its not what I'm talking about but who I'm talking to |
Kid Dynamite |
Jul-25-09 02:37 PM |
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fwiw, i LOVE unions |
paulsby |
Jul-26-09 01:40 AM |
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Part of unionism is being in solidarity with your fellow workers |
Kid Dynamite |
Jul-26-09 11:58 AM |
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utter rubbish and typical of somebody with no argument - resort to ad hominems |
paulsby |
Jul-26-09 03:06 PM |
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By definition you cannot be "pro-labor" |
Kid Dynamite |
Jul-26-09 03:22 PM |
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rubbish |
paulsby |
Jul-26-09 03:32 PM |
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You're no working class hero |
Kid Dynamite |
Jul-26-09 03:40 PM |
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again with the ad hominems |
paulsby |
Jul-26-09 03:44 PM |
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Is your pay based on the performance of the people you serve? |
Amos Moses |
Jul-25-09 03:00 AM |
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i;m not advocating for merit pay |
paulsby |
Jul-25-09 03:10 AM |
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Maybe I read your post wrong or I have you confused with |
Amos Moses |
Jul-25-09 03:18 AM |
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The unions job is to protect the working conditions of the teachers... |
maryf |
Jul-27-09 09:50 PM |
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yes, a merit system! let's have police depts across the country compete for funding on the basis of |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 04:08 AM |
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Or let's punish dentists when their patients... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-09 12:01 AM |
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It would be more pay that cops would get in high crime areas.... |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-25-09 04:09 AM |
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you didn't read the rest. the administration says pay *will* be tied to student scores. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 04:21 AM |
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I am not a pessimistic skeptic ready to cash my chips in.....so I don't |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-25-09 01:42 PM |
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The source is Obama's Education czar, & is ID'd in the sentence following the one you quoted: |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 02:02 PM |
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I'm reading other sources, |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-25-09 02:25 PM |
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Fact: student test results will be one of the metrics for determination of teacher merit. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 02:40 PM |
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Fact: July 20th marked the 6th month of this "change" presidency, not 8 months.... |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-25-09 03:04 PM |
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Fact: Obama ed budget for 2010: 46.7 billion. Bush ed budget 2008: 58 billion. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 03:38 PM |
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Facts: All budgets aren't equal..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-25-09 04:20 PM |
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Wait, what? When did critical thinking become acceptable on this thread? |
anigbrowl |
Jul-25-09 04:48 PM |
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I don't like the picture I am starting to see here in some of these posts..... |
FrenchieCat |
Jul-25-09 05:06 PM |
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In times of political stress, I often find this a comforting reminder of how things work |
anigbrowl |
Jul-25-09 05:11 PM |
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got more straw? |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-27-09 02:45 PM |
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Here's the context: Obama chose arne duncan as his education czar. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-26-09 06:20 AM |
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Do you realize that 2 states have laws PREVENTING... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-09 12:06 AM |
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Paulsby you cannot damn Unions with faint praise |
Kid Dynamite |
Jul-25-09 12:43 PM |
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I have to disagree about merit pay based on children's performance. |
Selatius |
Jul-25-09 03:24 AM |
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another thing |
Amos Moses |
Jul-25-09 03:56 AM |
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I support merit pay and longer school years. |
aikoaiko |
Jul-25-09 10:54 AM |
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Totally disagree |
anigbrowl |
Jul-25-09 04:53 PM |
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Screw the Kids |
Truth Talks |
Jul-25-09 04:03 AM |
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someone who gets it, including the anti-democratic & pernicious influence of Gates, Inc. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 04:12 AM |
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sad nt |
G_j |
Jul-25-09 08:16 AM |
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Nice job repeating RW stereotypes |
GoesTo11 |
Jul-25-09 03:30 PM |
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No kidding. |
Truth Talks |
Jul-25-09 04:10 PM |
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Well |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Jul-25-09 08:03 AM |
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"Change" you can MAKE BELIEVE IN! |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jul-25-09 08:15 AM |
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Rec. Another disappointing decision to continue privatization of the public commons. |
nightrain |
Jul-25-09 08:13 AM |
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This was totally foresable, and I blame in large measure the NEA for this |
ProgressiveProfessor |
Jul-25-09 08:29 AM |
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There already has been a lot of real... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-09 12:09 AM |
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This is a huge disappointment. |
Doremus |
Jul-25-09 08:42 AM |
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I think he believes the crap. :( nt |
glitch |
Jul-25-09 10:04 AM |
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Obama attended private schools from the 5 to 12 grades... |
mix |
Jul-25-09 03:59 PM |
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I think it's the first. He believes it... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-09 12:12 AM |
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I agree |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-26-09 12:57 AM |
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This crap will stop as soon as the Democrats take back the White House and the Congress |
Karmadillo |
Jul-25-09 09:59 AM |
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oh my..... LOL!!! Thank you! nt |
nightrain |
Jul-25-09 12:27 PM |
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LOL ouch. |
Political Heretic |
Jul-25-09 04:33 PM |
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Am I missing something here? How is this any different than what he campaigned on? |
Curtland1015 |
Jul-25-09 01:57 PM |
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it says scores WILL be one of those things. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-25-09 02:44 PM |
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Oh certainly. I'm not denying that they're saying it will be a factor. |
Curtland1015 |
Jul-25-09 03:41 PM |
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It was without specifics during the campaign. Now, 'A Race... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-09 12:18 AM |
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Soooo Obama is dishonest because he was vague as candidate and specific as President? |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-26-09 12:37 AM |
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No. I still love President Obama. I'd vote for him... |
YvonneCa |
Jul-26-09 10:01 AM |
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And I just love how all the righties call him "too liberal" |
sutz12 |
Jul-25-09 02:48 PM |
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KRB&H |
eppur_se_muova |
Jul-25-09 03:22 PM |
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That is the biggest fucking bullshit I have ever heard. |
Political Heretic |
Jul-25-09 04:24 PM |
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Bump |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Jul-25-09 10:29 PM |
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Thanks to Obama, we are getting money to start a program in Pittsburgh that mirrors Children's Zone |
EmilyAnne |
Jul-26-09 12:26 AM |
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Kick |
maryf |
Jul-27-09 09:36 PM |
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