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Reply #61: exactly, the servant did not do his job, he deserves at least 50 lashes [View All]

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61. exactly, the servant did not do his job, he deserves at least 50 lashes
Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 04:24 PM by hfojvt
You know what, sometimes I screw up. I forget to empty trash cans. It's kinda funny then how co-workers and customers react. "I am not gonna do that guy's job for him" (translation, he gets no help from me even when he needs it). My job, you see, is apparently beneath them. They cannot be taken upon to empty a trash can even though it is hardly rocket surgery or power-lifting. They just throw trash on the floor and complain that the trash can was not emptied like the servant was supposed to do. (Note, I was supposed to empty the trash the night before, so I am not there when said customers are dumping the trash on the floor. I even had a caterer (who I had helped with HIS work all the time), when I was working downstairs and the party got done early, when the trash cans got full, he called my supervisor at home instead of emptying a few himself (and replacement bags are right underneath the full bag at the bottom of the can. Woe be to the peon who doesn't do his job. No mercy for the bad if they want it.)

Management, however, has said that they will back me up. I do not have to take verbal abuse. I can have somebody kicked out if they are verbally abusive to me. Presumably that is true even if the paying customer is the son of the city manager. However, pragmatically, it would be kinda stupid to assert myself against somebody as powerful as the son of the city manager. You gotta know when to hold them and know when to fold them.

Imagine if the situation was reversed racially. Suppose the high and mighty professor was white and the cop was black. Here Mr. Prof is calling the cop every name in the book, racial epithets no less, and threatening to take his job. The black cop walks out of the house and Mr. High and Mighty still follows, hurling his accusations and insults out to the whole block. He is asked to calm down, but doesn't because he is gonna show that uppity n*** who is boss. He then is arrested for disorderly conduct while he shouts 'you don't know who you are messing with'.

Are you still gonna be all righteous about 'the cop didn't do his job'? Are you still gonna refuse to even consider that there might be some fault with Mr. Harvard Bigshot Incorporated?
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  To Serve and Protect. johnaries  Jul-24-09 12:45 PM   #0 
   "let's just assume the officer's report is correct" - bwahaha! Why on earth would you do that?  BlooInBloo   Jul-24-09 12:48 PM   #1 
   no kidding  Howardx   Jul-24-09 12:50 PM   #2 
   Just as a hypothetical to make a point.  johnaries   Jul-24-09 12:51 PM   #3 
   which police report?  Howardx   Jul-24-09 12:57 PM   #8 
      The one at my link. There is another? I'd like to see it, as well. nt  johnaries   Jul-24-09 01:06 PM   #12 
      there is one from Crowley and one from Figueroa  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 01:17 PM   #18 
         supposedly  Howardx   Jul-24-09 01:36 PM   #35 
            check this thread  Howardx   Jul-24-09 01:51 PM   #45 
               Hmmmm, very interesting!  johnaries   Jul-24-09 02:03 PM   #53 
                  that does not sound like two reports  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 02:20 PM   #56 
                     i said there had been 2 versions so far  Howardx   Jul-24-09 02:24 PM   #57 
   because even going off what the officer said, there are three points, from his words, he was wrong  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 12:51 PM   #4 
   EXACTLY! Thank you!  johnaries   Jul-24-09 12:53 PM   #6 
      Ah. Well that's reasonable. Guess I shoulda kept reading after that part.  BlooInBloo   Jul-24-09 01:12 PM   #16 
         NP. I probably would have had the same reaction!  johnaries   Jul-24-09 01:28 PM   #29 
   I would call that strengthening your argument  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 01:16 PM   #17 
   Objectivity. It's a concept. Try it sometime.  PurityOfEssence   Jul-24-09 01:32 PM   #31 
   Thanks for showing me what "stupider than not reading the rest of the OP" means.  BlooInBloo   Jul-24-09 01:36 PM   #36 
   Well, I can understand his point. You can't simply assume objectivity.  johnaries   Jul-24-09 01:55 PM   #48 
   The officer's report is not based on truth, but upon the officer's needs.  TexasObserver   Jul-24-09 05:49 PM   #70 
   ...  Javaman   Jul-24-09 12:52 PM   #5 
   At least it will make for some interesting discussion!  johnaries   Jul-24-09 12:56 PM   #7 
   They both acted "stupidly" from the sound of it.  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:00 PM   #9 
   one is allowed to, and one is not. can you figure that simple one out? n/t  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 01:05 PM   #10 
   True, because Police are supposed to be trained to handle  johnaries   Jul-24-09 01:08 PM   #13 
   exactly. and in their training they are told people get angry. and it is their job to defuse  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 01:11 PM   #15 
   Actually, no.  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:11 PM   #14 
   the police knew he belonged per his report and he stayed instead of leaving, escalating the  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 01:19 PM   #20 
      According to the cop he did give that information though, read the report again.  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:22 PM   #23 
      per the cops report he did give him id adn said he knew gates belong, he then further  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 01:25 PM   #26 
         According to the cop he did contact harvard police, and prepared to leave.  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:34 PM   #32 
            Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-24-09 01:37 PM   #38 
            Another person who doesn't pay attention and thinks that I'm defending the cop.  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:39 PM   #39 
               sure youre not  Howardx   Jul-24-09 01:41 PM   #42 
                  Classic ad hominem attack, not worth any more of my time. n/t  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:45 PM   #43 
                     thats fine  Howardx   Jul-24-09 01:48 PM   #44 
            follow this. cop got id, said he KNEW gates belong, then contacted  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 02:01 PM   #51 
      that's not per the cop though  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 01:25 PM   #25 
      it does say he got id and then went to further verify with harvard police.  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 01:26 PM   #27 
      I would say that somebody who shouts me down after asking for my name  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 01:35 PM   #34 
         You are calling a police officer working class and powerless?  Caliman73   Jul-24-09 01:51 PM   #46 
         isnt this odd? n/t  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 02:04 PM   #54 
         cops here work for the city just like I do  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 02:10 PM   #55 
         i am not applauding gates, and nowhere in my posts can you point it out. the cop is trained  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 02:03 PM   #52 
            afterward when the charges were dropped  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 02:45 PM   #59 
               no, you are not being pragmatic, you are being emotional. pragmatic is  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 02:52 PM   #60 
                  exactly, the servant did not do his job, he deserves at least 50 lashes  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 04:16 PM   #61 
                     Seabeyond HAS admitted that Gates over-reacted.  johnaries   Jul-24-09 04:41 PM   #62 
                        Period and fifty lashes for that horrible servant  hfojvt   Jul-24-09 05:08 PM   #65 
                           No one is saying that. What we are saying was that he was wrong  johnaries   Jul-24-09 05:23 PM   #67 
                           lets be clear. you are saying cop is allowed to break the law cause a person is arrogant?  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 06:32 PM   #72 
      According to Massechusetts law, Crowley was REQUIRED, to provide his identification...  Spazito   Jul-24-09 04:55 PM   #63 
      And what if Gates set this whole situation up?  Retired AF Dem   Jul-24-09 05:05 PM   #64 
         "what if Gates set this whole situation up?" ?!?!?!?!?!?  johnaries   Jul-24-09 05:20 PM   #66 
         made up argument. cop had a call, and had to respond. he did  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 06:25 PM   #71 
   I agree completely.  Caliman73   Jul-24-09 01:40 PM   #40 
   Yes, but as I stated it was obvious that Gates was in a frustrated  johnaries   Jul-24-09 01:05 PM   #11 
   We dont' know the tone or demenor of either of them for certain.  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:19 PM   #19 
      i am giving the whole truth to the cop, (which i am sure it is not) without taking into account  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 01:20 PM   #21 
      I don't think that the cop did things right either, by his own account. So, what's the problem?  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:24 PM   #24 
         the problem is, the cop is the professional, the cop is trained for this very thing, the cop did  seabeyond   Jul-24-09 01:28 PM   #28 
      True, they both acted inappropriately. HOWEVER  johnaries   Jul-24-09 01:40 PM   #41 
         Is it so hard to admit that Gates likely did things he shouldn't have done?  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:55 PM   #47 
            now its reverse racism  Howardx   Jul-24-09 02:00 PM   #49 
            Oh, I agree that Gates over-reacted and may have "technically"  johnaries   Jul-24-09 02:26 PM   #58 
   Prideful  rucky   Jul-24-09 01:22 PM   #22 
      Good point. That's a strong and distinct possibility. nt  johnaries   Jul-24-09 01:29 PM   #30 
      Cops should be used to that...  rucky   Jul-24-09 01:36 PM   #37 
         Agreed. That is the point I was trying to make and you did so very succinctly.  johnaries   Jul-24-09 02:01 PM   #50 
      That is what it seems to boil down to, yes.  Sandaasu   Jul-24-09 01:35 PM   #33 
   Whatever occurred, I just hope now  johnaries   Jul-24-09 05:43 PM   #68 
   Yes, "To Serve and Protect." About as true as most marketing slogans.  TexasObserver   Jul-24-09 05:48 PM   #69 
 

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