hfojvt
(1000+ posts)
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Fri Jul-24-09 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #60 |
| 61. exactly, the servant did not do his job, he deserves at least 50 lashes |
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Edited on Fri Jul-24-09 04:24 PM by hfojvt
You know what, sometimes I screw up. I forget to empty trash cans. It's kinda funny then how co-workers and customers react. "I am not gonna do that guy's job for him" (translation, he gets no help from me even when he needs it). My job, you see, is apparently beneath them. They cannot be taken upon to empty a trash can even though it is hardly rocket surgery or power-lifting. They just throw trash on the floor and complain that the trash can was not emptied like the servant was supposed to do. (Note, I was supposed to empty the trash the night before, so I am not there when said customers are dumping the trash on the floor. I even had a caterer (who I had helped with HIS work all the time), when I was working downstairs and the party got done early, when the trash cans got full, he called my supervisor at home instead of emptying a few himself (and replacement bags are right underneath the full bag at the bottom of the can. Woe be to the peon who doesn't do his job. No mercy for the bad if they want it.)
Management, however, has said that they will back me up. I do not have to take verbal abuse. I can have somebody kicked out if they are verbally abusive to me. Presumably that is true even if the paying customer is the son of the city manager. However, pragmatically, it would be kinda stupid to assert myself against somebody as powerful as the son of the city manager. You gotta know when to hold them and know when to fold them.
Imagine if the situation was reversed racially. Suppose the high and mighty professor was white and the cop was black. Here Mr. Prof is calling the cop every name in the book, racial epithets no less, and threatening to take his job. The black cop walks out of the house and Mr. High and Mighty still follows, hurling his accusations and insults out to the whole block. He is asked to calm down, but doesn't because he is gonna show that uppity n*** who is boss. He then is arrested for disorderly conduct while he shouts 'you don't know who you are messing with'.
Are you still gonna be all righteous about 'the cop didn't do his job'? Are you still gonna refuse to even consider that there might be some fault with Mr. Harvard Bigshot Incorporated?
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To Serve and Protect. |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 12:45 PM |
#0 |

"let's just assume the officer's report is correct" - bwahaha! Why on earth would you do that? |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-24-09 12:48 PM |
#1 |
 
no kidding |
Howardx |
Jul-24-09 12:50 PM |
#2 |
 
Just as a hypothetical to make a point. |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 12:51 PM |
#3 |
  
which police report? |
Howardx |
Jul-24-09 12:57 PM |
#8 |
 
The one at my link. There is another? I'd like to see it, as well. nt |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 01:06 PM |
#12 |
 
there is one from Crowley and one from Figueroa |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 01:17 PM |
#18 |
 
supposedly |
Howardx |
Jul-24-09 01:36 PM |
#35 |
 
check this thread |
Howardx |
Jul-24-09 01:51 PM |
#45 |
 
Hmmmm, very interesting! |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 02:03 PM |
#53 |
 
that does not sound like two reports |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 02:20 PM |
#56 |
 
i said there had been 2 versions so far |
Howardx |
Jul-24-09 02:24 PM |
#57 |
 
because even going off what the officer said, there are three points, from his words, he was wrong |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 12:51 PM |
#4 |
  
EXACTLY! Thank you! |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 12:53 PM |
#6 |
 
Ah. Well that's reasonable. Guess I shoulda kept reading after that part. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-24-09 01:12 PM |
#16 |
 
NP. I probably would have had the same reaction! |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 01:28 PM |
#29 |
 
I would call that strengthening your argument |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 01:16 PM |
#17 |
 
Objectivity. It's a concept. Try it sometime. |
PurityOfEssence |
Jul-24-09 01:32 PM |
#31 |
  
Thanks for showing me what "stupider than not reading the rest of the OP" means. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-24-09 01:36 PM |
#36 |
  
Well, I can understand his point. You can't simply assume objectivity. |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 01:55 PM |
#48 |
 
The officer's report is not based on truth, but upon the officer's needs. |
TexasObserver |
Jul-24-09 05:49 PM |
#70 |

... |
Javaman |
Jul-24-09 12:52 PM |
#5 |
 
At least it will make for some interesting discussion! |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 12:56 PM |
#7 |

They both acted "stupidly" from the sound of it. |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:00 PM |
#9 |
 
one is allowed to, and one is not. can you figure that simple one out? n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 01:05 PM |
#10 |
  
True, because Police are supposed to be trained to handle |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 01:08 PM |
#13 |
   
exactly. and in their training they are told people get angry. and it is their job to defuse |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 01:11 PM |
#15 |
  
Actually, no. |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:11 PM |
#14 |
   
the police knew he belonged per his report and he stayed instead of leaving, escalating the |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 01:19 PM |
#20 |
  
According to the cop he did give that information though, read the report again. |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:22 PM |
#23 |
   
per the cops report he did give him id adn said he knew gates belong, he then further |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 01:25 PM |
#26 |
  
According to the cop he did contact harvard police, and prepared to leave. |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:34 PM |
#32 |
  
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Name removed |
Jul-24-09 01:37 PM |
#38 |
   
Another person who doesn't pay attention and thinks that I'm defending the cop. |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:39 PM |
#39 |
  
sure youre not |
Howardx |
Jul-24-09 01:41 PM |
#42 |
  
Classic ad hominem attack, not worth any more of my time. n/t |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:45 PM |
#43 |
  
thats fine |
Howardx |
Jul-24-09 01:48 PM |
#44 |
  
follow this. cop got id, said he KNEW gates belong, then contacted |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 02:01 PM |
#51 |
  
that's not per the cop though |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 01:25 PM |
#25 |
   
it does say he got id and then went to further verify with harvard police. |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 01:26 PM |
#27 |
    
I would say that somebody who shouts me down after asking for my name |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 01:35 PM |
#34 |
   
You are calling a police officer working class and powerless? |
Caliman73 |
Jul-24-09 01:51 PM |
#46 |
    
isnt this odd? n/t |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 02:04 PM |
#54 |
    
cops here work for the city just like I do |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 02:10 PM |
#55 |
   
i am not applauding gates, and nowhere in my posts can you point it out. the cop is trained |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 02:03 PM |
#52 |
   
afterward when the charges were dropped |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 02:45 PM |
#59 |
   
no, you are not being pragmatic, you are being emotional. pragmatic is |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 02:52 PM |
#60 |
   
exactly, the servant did not do his job, he deserves at least 50 lashes |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 04:16 PM |
#61 |
   
Seabeyond HAS admitted that Gates over-reacted. |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 04:41 PM |
#62 |
   
Period and fifty lashes for that horrible servant |
hfojvt |
Jul-24-09 05:08 PM |
#65 |
   
No one is saying that. What we are saying was that he was wrong |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 05:23 PM |
#67 |
   
lets be clear. you are saying cop is allowed to break the law cause a person is arrogant? |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 06:32 PM |
#72 |
   
According to Massechusetts law, Crowley was REQUIRED, to provide his identification... |
Spazito |
Jul-24-09 04:55 PM |
#63 |
  
And what if Gates set this whole situation up? |
Retired AF Dem |
Jul-24-09 05:05 PM |
#64 |
  
"what if Gates set this whole situation up?" ?!?!?!?!?!? |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 05:20 PM |
#66 |
  
made up argument. cop had a call, and had to respond. he did |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 06:25 PM |
#71 |
  
I agree completely. |
Caliman73 |
Jul-24-09 01:40 PM |
#40 |
 
Yes, but as I stated it was obvious that Gates was in a frustrated |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 01:05 PM |
#11 |
  
We dont' know the tone or demenor of either of them for certain. |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:19 PM |
#19 |
 
i am giving the whole truth to the cop, (which i am sure it is not) without taking into account |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 01:20 PM |
#21 |
  
I don't think that the cop did things right either, by his own account. So, what's the problem? |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:24 PM |
#24 |
 
the problem is, the cop is the professional, the cop is trained for this very thing, the cop did |
seabeyond |
Jul-24-09 01:28 PM |
#28 |
 
True, they both acted inappropriately. HOWEVER |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 01:40 PM |
#41 |
 
Is it so hard to admit that Gates likely did things he shouldn't have done? |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:55 PM |
#47 |
 
now its reverse racism |
Howardx |
Jul-24-09 02:00 PM |
#49 |
 
Oh, I agree that Gates over-reacted and may have "technically" |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 02:26 PM |
#58 |
 
Prideful |
rucky |
Jul-24-09 01:22 PM |
#22 |

Good point. That's a strong and distinct possibility. nt |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 01:29 PM |
#30 |
 
Cops should be used to that... |
rucky |
Jul-24-09 01:36 PM |
#37 |

Agreed. That is the point I was trying to make and you did so very succinctly. |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 02:01 PM |
#50 |

That is what it seems to boil down to, yes. |
Sandaasu |
Jul-24-09 01:35 PM |
#33 |

Whatever occurred, I just hope now |
johnaries |
Jul-24-09 05:43 PM |
#68 |

Yes, "To Serve and Protect." About as true as most marketing slogans. |
TexasObserver |
Jul-24-09 05:48 PM |
#69 |