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Fri Jul-24-09 09:46 PM
Response to Reply #68 |
| 69. Where were the facts that I stated in error? |
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And what mistake did I make regarding the law?
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| -Why did they dismiss the charge against Gates? Commonwealth v. Mulvey |
merh |
Jul-23-09 01:32 PM |
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The "disorderly" conduct was performed in front of the general public, not just officers. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-23-09 01:36 PM |
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Yelling at an officer is not illegal if it does not incite others or affect the investigation. |
SemiCharmedQuark |
Jul-23-09 01:50 PM |
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+1 |
TexasObserver |
Jul-23-09 11:15 PM |
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The police officer created the incident. |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-23-09 02:01 PM |
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Did you read the police report? The incident began when Gates answered the door. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-23-09 02:09 PM |
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"Did you read the police report"? There in lies your error. |
Solomon |
Jul-23-09 02:20 PM |
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You're confusing "led to believe" with verification. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-23-09 02:27 PM |
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You mean a burglar might lie to the police??? Inconceivable!!! |
N7255Q |
Jul-23-09 02:47 PM |
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So tell me, he has the Harvard Identification card |
merh |
Jul-23-09 03:22 PM |
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It's probably procedure when dealing with complaints on Harvard property. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-23-09 09:11 PM |
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Bull - no crime was being committed. There was no need to call |
merh |
Jul-23-09 11:04 PM |
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Right...because cops in Cambridge know that there are no black professors at Harvard. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 10:38 AM |
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Try again. |
merh |
Jul-24-09 01:27 PM |
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If a white professor had acted the way Gates did, Crowley's actions would have been the same. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 05:15 PM |
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If it had been a white professor, Crowley wouldn't have done anything |
merh |
Jul-24-09 05:44 PM |
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Crowley followed procedure...as he would have if Gates was white. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 05:55 PM |
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No, Crowley didn't - especically taking into consideration that he |
merh |
Jul-24-09 06:41 PM |
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Crowley DID give his name. Twice. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 07:15 PM |
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He didn't give it a third time or provide his card or identification. |
merh |
Jul-24-09 07:18 PM |
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We disagree. Having worked in law enforcement, I believe Crowley acted appropriately... |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 07:23 PM |
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If Crowley had come to my door, I wouldn't have let him in. |
quiller4 |
Jul-24-09 07:27 PM |
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Would you have stepped outside, answered a simple question, and provided ID? |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 07:38 PM |
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I've worked in LE |
merh |
Jul-24-09 07:53 PM |
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Just curious...in what capacity did you "work in LE"? |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 07:56 PM |
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I've actually worn a badge, had the polyester uniform, name tag, |
merh |
Jul-24-09 08:10 PM |
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Our opinions still differ. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 08:11 PM |
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Informed based upon the facts as written in Crowley's own report |
merh |
Jul-24-09 08:14 PM |
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Yep. And an opinion, nonetheless. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 08:26 PM |
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Where were the facts that I stated in error? |
merh |
Jul-24-09 09:46 PM |
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It's a standard request that cops are taught to skirt the LAW. |
TexasObserver |
Jul-23-09 11:18 PM |
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Ok, so police resopnding to a break-in should just walk away if the occupant tells them to leave? |
MercutioATC |
Jul-24-09 10:42 AM |
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No, he should be polite, identify himself, and tell the person why he showed up. |
TexasObserver |
Jul-24-09 03:47 PM |
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Nope - try again and this time, pay attention to the report you rely upon. |
merh |
Jul-23-09 02:14 PM |
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It sure appears that Gates approached the encounter with a huge chip on his shoulder. |
N7255Q |
Jul-23-09 02:44 PM |
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so what? |
Celebration |
Jul-23-09 02:52 PM |
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Starting a fracas with cops is never a smart thing to do. |
N7255Q |
Jul-23-09 03:01 PM |
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do you hear yourself. defending the cops by telling all us they are abusive adn WE need |
seabeyond |
Jul-23-09 11:24 PM |
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Consider this - many here at DU live with or know of someone who |
truedelphi |
Jul-23-09 04:12 PM |
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I wish I could recomment this reply. |
merh |
Jul-23-09 11:42 PM |
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he is allowed to have a chip. not our business, not against the law. you are missing the group |
seabeyond |
Jul-23-09 11:22 PM |
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so, if i'm white and i am siding with the black guy where does that leave me |
orleans |
Jul-25-09 01:45 PM |
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lulz |
HiFructosePronSyrup |
Jul-23-09 02:53 PM |
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There's something weird about the address given in that report |
starroute |
Jul-23-09 03:36 PM |
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right, cause the threat is all these other harvard types in upscale area are going to be provoked? |
seabeyond |
Jul-23-09 11:19 PM |
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excuse me, where are the names of those in the public disturbed by Gates behavior? |
librechik |
Jul-24-09 01:33 PM |
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Prosecutor must not have thought so when he dropped the case for "legal insufficiency" |
quiller4 |
Jul-24-09 07:23 PM |
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There should be no such crime as "disorderly conduct." |
Eric J in MN |
Jul-23-09 01:36 PM |
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Even denial of resisting arrest will get you charged with "resisting arrest" |
slampoet |
Jul-23-09 01:41 PM |
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But the legislatures in every state have given that 'charge' to cops. Mostly as a way to generate $ |
N7255Q |
Jul-23-09 02:48 PM |
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I tend to agree with you. |
merh |
Jul-23-09 03:12 PM |
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Agreed. It's a bullshit charge that means "you're bothering me, boy!" |
TexasObserver |
Jul-23-09 11:22 PM |
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Seems like a reasonable precedent to use. |
GreenPartyVoter |
Jul-23-09 01:40 PM |
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Most folks defending the cops forget that the cops are supposed to |
merh |
Jul-24-09 12:35 PM |
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and when someone continues.... |
HardWorkingDem |
Jul-24-09 01:33 PM |
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False arrest when they arrested for violating no laws. |
merh |
Jul-24-09 01:53 PM |
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Federal law makes hash of 'Contempt of Cop', at least in a majority |
Davis_X_Machina |
Jul-23-09 02:15 PM |
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OMG, 7 passer-bys were looking |
merh |
Jul-23-09 02:20 PM |
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Actually I think it was more along the likes of the situation was no longer |
dorktv |
Jul-23-09 11:21 PM |
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Actually, they couldn't prosecute. |
merh |
Jul-23-09 11:39 PM |
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So you are saying that disorderly conduct is no longer an offense in |
dorktv |
Jul-25-09 01:15 PM |
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This actually isn't applicable..... |
HardWorkingDem |
Jul-24-09 01:32 PM |
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No they were not. |
merh |
Jul-24-09 01:55 PM |
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Read the court ruling again... |
HardWorkingDem |
Jul-24-09 02:02 PM |
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You read the opinion again |
merh |
Jul-24-09 02:14 PM |
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Here's part of what you underscored.... |
HardWorkingDem |
Jul-24-09 02:24 PM |
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Oh, so the police fucked up when they didn't obtain the names of the |
merh |
Jul-24-09 02:27 PM |
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Seven includes the campus police called to the scene |
quiller4 |
Jul-24-09 07:33 PM |
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It might, but I don't know. The cop didn't list the witnesses as is |
merh |
Jul-24-09 07:54 PM |
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Do you realize.... |
HardWorkingDem |
Jul-25-09 06:38 PM |
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There were no "offended" parties. All neighbors called prosecutor |
quiller4 |
Jul-24-09 07:31 PM |
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merh, You're Dealing with an Authoritarian Element on DU |
Yavin4 |
Jul-24-09 07:48 PM |
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Some are freepers pretending to be "the good guys" |
merh |
Jul-24-09 08:13 PM |
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And so the terrorist cop had to get him on the porch. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-25-09 01:21 PM |
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