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N7255Q Donating Member (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-23-09 02:44 PM
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13. It sure appears that Gates approached the encounter with a huge chip on his shoulder.
I'm seeing a couple of interesting phenomena is some people siding with the cops because they are white and the other guy is black...and some side with the resident because he's black and the cops are white.
There's a lot less interest in the facts in than screaming 'racism' which clearly is at work both ways here.
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  -Why did they dismiss the charge against Gates? Commonwealth v. Mulvey merh  Jul-23-09 01:32 PM   #0 
  - The "disorderly" conduct was performed in front of the general public, not just officers.  MercutioATC   Jul-23-09 01:36 PM   #1 
  - Yelling at an officer is not illegal if it does not incite others or affect the investigation.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-23-09 01:50 PM   #5 
  - +1  TexasObserver   Jul-23-09 11:15 PM   #25 
  - The police officer created the incident.  LiberalFighter   Jul-23-09 02:01 PM   #6 
  - Did you read the police report? The incident began when Gates answered the door.  MercutioATC   Jul-23-09 02:09 PM   #7 
     - "Did you read the police report"? There in lies your error.  Solomon   Jul-23-09 02:20 PM   #10 
     - You're confusing "led to believe" with verification.  MercutioATC   Jul-23-09 02:27 PM   #12 
        - You mean a burglar might lie to the police??? Inconceivable!!!  N7255Q   Jul-23-09 02:47 PM   #14 
        - So tell me, he has the Harvard Identification card  merh   Jul-23-09 03:22 PM   #20 
           - It's probably procedure when dealing with complaints on Harvard property.  MercutioATC   Jul-23-09 09:11 PM   #23 
              - Bull - no crime was being committed. There was no need to call  merh   Jul-23-09 11:04 PM   #24 
                 - Right...because cops in Cambridge know that there are no black professors at Harvard.  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 10:38 AM   #34 
                    - Try again.  merh   Jul-24-09 01:27 PM   #37 
                       - If a white professor had acted the way Gates did, Crowley's actions would have been the same.  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 05:15 PM   #48 
                          - If it had been a white professor, Crowley wouldn't have done anything  merh   Jul-24-09 05:44 PM   #49 
                             - Crowley followed he would have if Gates was white.  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 05:55 PM   #50 
                                - No, Crowley didn't - especically taking into consideration that he  merh   Jul-24-09 06:41 PM   #51 
                                   - Crowley DID give his name. Twice.  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 07:15 PM   #52 
                                      - He didn't give it a third time or provide his card or identification.  merh   Jul-24-09 07:18 PM   #53 
                                         - We disagree. Having worked in law enforcement, I believe Crowley acted appropriately...  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 07:23 PM   #55 
                                            - If Crowley had come to my door, I wouldn't have let him in.  quiller4   Jul-24-09 07:27 PM   #56 
                                            - Would you have stepped outside, answered a simple question, and provided ID?  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 07:38 PM   #59 
                                            - I've worked in LE  merh   Jul-24-09 07:53 PM   #61 
                                               - Just what capacity did you "work in LE"?  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 07:56 PM   #63 
                                               - I've actually worn a badge, had the polyester uniform, name tag,  merh   Jul-24-09 08:10 PM   #64 
                                               - Our opinions still differ.  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 08:11 PM   #65 
                                               - Informed based upon the facts as written in Crowley's own report  merh   Jul-24-09 08:14 PM   #67 
                                               - Yep. And an opinion, nonetheless.  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 08:26 PM   #68 
                                               - Where were the facts that I stated in error?  merh   Jul-24-09 09:46 PM   #69 
     - It's a standard request that cops are taught to skirt the LAW.  TexasObserver   Jul-23-09 11:18 PM   #26 
        - Ok, so police resopnding to a break-in should just walk away if the occupant tells them to leave?  MercutioATC   Jul-24-09 10:42 AM   #35 
           - No, he should be polite, identify himself, and tell the person why he showed up.  TexasObserver   Jul-24-09 03:47 PM   #47 
  - Nope - try again and this time, pay attention to the report you rely upon.  merh   Jul-23-09 02:14 PM   #8 
  - It sure appears that Gates approached the encounter with a huge chip on his shoulder.  N7255Q   Jul-23-09 02:44 PM   #13 
  - so what?  Celebration   Jul-23-09 02:52 PM   #16 
  - Starting a fracas with cops is never a smart thing to do.  N7255Q   Jul-23-09 03:01 PM   #18 
     - do you hear yourself. defending the cops by telling all us they are abusive adn WE need  seabeyond   Jul-23-09 11:24 PM   #31 
  - Consider this - many here at DU live with or know of someone who  truedelphi   Jul-23-09 04:12 PM   #22 
  - I wish I could recomment this reply.  merh   Jul-23-09 11:42 PM   #33 
  - he is allowed to have a chip. not our business, not against the law. you are missing the group  seabeyond   Jul-23-09 11:22 PM   #30 
  - so, if i'm white and i am siding with the black guy where does that leave me  orleans   Jul-25-09 01:45 PM   #72 
  - lulz  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-23-09 02:53 PM   #17 
  - There's something weird about the address given in that report  starroute   Jul-23-09 03:36 PM   #21 
  - right, cause the threat is all these other harvard types in upscale area are going to be provoked?  seabeyond   Jul-23-09 11:19 PM   #27 
  - excuse me, where are the names of those in the public disturbed by Gates behavior?  librechik   Jul-24-09 01:33 PM   #39 
  - Prosecutor must not have thought so when he dropped the case for "legal insufficiency"  quiller4   Jul-24-09 07:23 PM   #54 
  - There should be no such crime as "disorderly conduct."  Eric J in MN   Jul-23-09 01:36 PM   #2 
  - Even denial of resisting arrest will get you charged with "resisting arrest"  slampoet   Jul-23-09 01:41 PM   #4 
  - But the legislatures in every state have given that 'charge' to cops. Mostly as a way to generate $  N7255Q   Jul-23-09 02:48 PM   #15 
  - I tend to agree with you.  merh   Jul-23-09 03:12 PM   #19 
  - Agreed. It's a bullshit charge that means "you're bothering me, boy!"  TexasObserver   Jul-23-09 11:22 PM   #29 
  - Seems like a reasonable precedent to use.  GreenPartyVoter   Jul-23-09 01:40 PM   #3 
  - Most folks defending the cops forget that the cops are supposed to  merh   Jul-24-09 12:35 PM   #36 
     - and when someone continues....  HardWorkingDem   Jul-24-09 01:33 PM   #40 
        - False arrest when they arrested for violating no laws.  merh   Jul-24-09 01:53 PM   #41 
  - Federal law makes hash of 'Contempt of Cop', at least in a majority  Davis_X_Machina   Jul-23-09 02:15 PM   #9 
  - OMG, 7 passer-bys were looking  merh   Jul-23-09 02:20 PM   #11 
  - Actually I think it was more along the likes of the situation was no longer  dorktv   Jul-23-09 11:21 PM   #28 
  - Actually, they couldn't prosecute.  merh   Jul-23-09 11:39 PM   #32 
     - So you are saying that disorderly conduct is no longer an offense in  dorktv   Jul-25-09 01:15 PM   #70 
  - This actually isn't applicable.....  HardWorkingDem   Jul-24-09 01:32 PM   #38 
  - No they were not.  merh   Jul-24-09 01:55 PM   #42 
     - Read the court ruling again...  HardWorkingDem   Jul-24-09 02:02 PM   #43 
        - You read the opinion again  merh   Jul-24-09 02:14 PM   #44 
        - Here's part of what you underscored....  HardWorkingDem   Jul-24-09 02:24 PM   #45 
           - Oh, so the police fucked up when they didn't obtain the names of the  merh   Jul-24-09 02:27 PM   #46 
              - Seven includes the campus police called to the scene  quiller4   Jul-24-09 07:33 PM   #58 
              - It might, but I don't know. The cop didn't list the witnesses as is  merh   Jul-24-09 07:54 PM   #62 
              - Do you realize....  HardWorkingDem   Jul-25-09 06:38 PM   #73 
        - There were no "offended" parties. All neighbors called prosecutor  quiller4   Jul-24-09 07:31 PM   #57 
  - merh, You're Dealing with an Authoritarian Element on DU  Yavin4   Jul-24-09 07:48 PM   #60 
  - Some are freepers pretending to be "the good guys"  merh   Jul-24-09 08:13 PM   #66 
  - And so the terrorist cop had to get him on the porch.  BlooInBloo   Jul-25-09 01:21 PM   #71 

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