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Thu Jul-23-09 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #25 |
| 30. Gates was not harrassed. He was ARRESTED. |
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There is a difference.
And, being a 60 yr old black man, I have little doubt that this is not the 1st time in his life that a cop has not taken him at his word, and looked at him as a suspect simply because he was black.
Cop knocks on the door, Gates answers.
Cop: There was a report of a burlary in progress.
Gates: I live here. There's no burglary.
And HERE is where it goes wrong -
Cop: You understand I have to be sure. Can you provide me some identification, sir?
or
Cop: Yeah? Prove it. Sir.
The first is how you talk as a professional - probably how you were talked to in the incident you mentioned. The second is how some cops always address black people, suspicion and disrespect carried by tone. Gates, hearing the 1st, obliges. Gates, hearing the 2nd, also obliges but does so grudgingly and pissed off.
As you might.
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| -Gates Was Arrested For Disturbing The Peace Of Sergeant Crowley?!? |
kpete |
Jul-23-09 08:42 AM |
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I'm white and I KNOW I would have been arrested if I had acted in like manner. |
winter999 |
Jul-23-09 08:44 AM |
#1 |
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The police would most likely never have been called ... |
DU9598 |
Jul-23-09 08:47 AM |
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It was a citizen call to a possible break-in. |
winter999 |
Jul-23-09 08:50 AM |
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This is a 300+ year old city. EVERY house has been broken into or it is new. |
slampoet |
Jul-23-09 10:04 AM |
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Where does it say the house was previously burglarized... |
FloriTexan |
Jul-24-09 10:34 AM |
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You know that, huh. Aren't you special. Would your neighbor |
babylonsister |
Jul-23-09 08:49 AM |
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What 'like manner' are you referring to? |
peacetalksforall |
Jul-23-09 08:50 AM |
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Really? Hypothetical. John Henry(white owner of the Red Sox) has just been dropped |
chelsea0011 |
Jul-23-09 08:54 AM |
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And your arrest would be unconstitutional and unprofessional |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-23-09 08:55 AM |
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so, trying to get into your home, a cop gonna arrest you, and you arent allowed to be mad |
seabeyond |
Jul-23-09 09:00 AM |
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What "like manner?" Asking a question, in your own HOUSE, is against the law? |
MADem |
Jul-23-09 09:04 AM |
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What 'like manner' are you talking about? |
MineralMan |
Jul-23-09 09:10 AM |
#24 |
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"The salient problem for the Cambridge Police Department is contempt of cop is simply not a crime, |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-23-09 09:30 AM |
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I doubt it. |
BurtWorm |
Jul-23-09 10:15 AM |
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For at least the fourth time - what "like manner"? |
redqueen |
Jul-23-09 12:05 PM |
#47 |
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In your OWN HOME WITHOUT a WARRANT. |
Lorien |
Jul-24-09 10:29 AM |
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YOU wouldn't have been provoked to 'act' in like manner! |
Fire1 |
Jul-24-09 10:30 AM |
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When did Gates private home become |
malaise |
Jul-23-09 08:44 AM |
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He was outside in front of a group of people. |
winter999 |
Jul-23-09 08:46 AM |
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He was on his porch and the group of people were uninvited |
Raineyb |
Jul-23-09 08:48 AM |
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He was asked to come outside by the cop specifically so the cop could arrest him. |
Fumesucker |
Jul-23-09 08:49 AM |
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Yep. The cop wrote in his report that he wanted to go outside and said he |
Blue Diadem |
Jul-23-09 09:10 PM |
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Got a link? I haven't read that. Where'd you find that 'fact'? nt |
babylonsister |
Jul-23-09 08:55 AM |
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He was on his PORCH and the "people" were cops on his lawn, as well as |
MADem |
Jul-23-09 09:07 AM |
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not just "can" but "have" refuted Crowley's report. That was mentioned |
quiller4 |
Jul-23-09 12:36 PM |
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There isn't just one ignorant cop,, there are at least 2 more in the picture |
lazer47 |
Jul-23-09 08:47 AM |
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but they didn't support Crowley. n/t |
quiller4 |
Jul-23-09 12:50 PM |
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Funny how his home became a public place |
Raineyb |
Jul-23-09 08:47 AM |
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The Police have been given tremendous latitude in "law interpretation". |
annabanana |
Jul-23-09 08:49 AM |
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Gate's home is a "public place" - lol, that's rich. |
Morning Dew |
Jul-23-09 08:49 AM |
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It is a pure case of contempt of cop |
alcibiades_mystery |
Jul-23-09 08:53 AM |
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Is there anything in that playbook about contempt BY cop? nt |
babylonsister |
Jul-23-09 08:56 AM |
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Specifically, contempt of civil liberties by cop. |
backscatter712 |
Jul-23-09 08:59 AM |
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Prez O sez Sgt Crowley is stupid |
lpbk2713 |
Jul-23-09 08:57 AM |
#18 |
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"acted stupidly" |
AwakeAtLast |
Jul-23-09 09:28 AM |
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What's astounding is that this Professor's own living room and front porch |
MADem |
Jul-23-09 09:03 AM |
#21 |
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WAY too much "You did!" - "I didn't!" going on here.... |
SacredCow |
Jul-23-09 09:13 AM |
#25 |
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Way too much "CYA" going on here. |
AwakeAtLast |
Jul-23-09 09:31 AM |
#29 |
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Yeah, probably.... |
SacredCow |
Jul-23-09 10:29 AM |
#39 |
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Gates was not harrassed. He was ARRESTED. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-23-09 09:49 AM |
#30 |
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As a 40yr old whitey who has NEVER had the cops act to my benefit, i am disturbed that ANY |
slampoet |
Jul-23-09 10:14 AM |
#36 |
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Nice respect for those who risk their lives to save yours... |
augusta march |
Jul-23-09 07:11 PM |
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it's their job to risk their lives |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Jul-23-09 08:40 PM |
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Thank you for defending me, My mother was a cop and Hates what the police have become. |
slampoet |
Jul-24-09 09:13 PM |
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I didn't say elderly you double-y chromo case. |
slampoet |
Jul-24-09 09:16 PM |
#98 |
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I've been grilled a handfull of times, personally.... |
SacredCow |
Jul-23-09 10:26 AM |
#38 |
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With you, when your identity was proved, the matter was dropped. |
clear eye |
Jul-24-09 09:54 AM |
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I've looked and cannot find any city ordinance or state statute that |
merh |
Jul-23-09 09:17 AM |
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C 272, S 53 according to the police report... |
-..__... |
Jul-23-09 10:02 AM |
#34 |
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Well I guess the Sgt has not been properly trained then. |
merh |
Jul-23-09 10:34 AM |
#41 |
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Wrong citation. |
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Jul-23-09 11:55 AM |
#45 |
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I believe you are mistaken as citations for those wrongs apply only to "in public places" |
merh |
Jul-23-09 12:17 PM |
#49 |
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Where in MGL: C 272, S 53... |
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Jul-23-09 12:26 PM |
#50 |
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Like I said, the cop lacks training - he should know of this decision or |
merh |
Jul-23-09 12:49 PM |
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"Police presence ALONE does not satisfy the public element". |
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Jul-23-09 01:32 PM |
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Nope, there were not other members of the public present on his |
merh |
Jul-23-09 01:38 PM |
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"That is the key here, on his porch". |
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Jul-23-09 01:51 PM |
#69 |
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And the cop should have given him his card and gone about his business. |
merh |
Jul-23-09 02:18 PM |
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Reviewing the police report I have doubts about the police side of the story. |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-23-09 10:35 AM |
#42 |
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Try Google street view... |
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Jul-23-09 12:03 PM |
#46 |
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"getting loud" is an interpretation for the moment in my city that can run counter to... |
bridgit |
Jul-23-09 01:14 PM |
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I think this case is an appropriate answer to your post. |
merh |
Jul-23-09 01:22 PM |
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My fiance was CHP... |
bridgit |
Jul-23-09 01:44 PM |
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Read the man's report, it doesn't support the arrest. |
merh |
Jul-23-09 02:51 PM |
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Is it all black people of a certain stature or just Professor Gates |
Raineyb |
Jul-23-09 01:25 PM |
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It is my belief that Cornel would have deescalated with a perceivable success... |
bridgit |
Jul-23-09 01:35 PM |
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Their laser focus on Skip, the UPPITY NEGRO is SO transparent. |
Karenina |
Jul-23-09 08:36 PM |
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IT's wrong and it happens hundreds of times every day all across the country |
WeDidIt |
Jul-23-09 09:51 AM |
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Cops need to be required to display better demeanor towards citizens. |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-23-09 09:52 AM |
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passersby were probably surprised and alarmed to see cops cuffing Professor Gates at his home |
eShirl |
Jul-23-09 09:55 AM |
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The residence is on campus. Makes me wonder why campus police weren't called to it initially? |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-23-09 10:32 AM |
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Yeah, that struck me as odd, too.... n/t |
SacredCow |
Jul-23-09 11:20 AM |
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His residence is just inside the campus... |
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Jul-23-09 12:10 PM |
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but 911 dispatch erred by not notifying campus police. They |
quiller4 |
Jul-23-09 12:39 PM |
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Have you even dealt with or know how dispatch operates ... |
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Jul-23-09 12:46 PM |
#56 |
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Racist behaviour is a misdemeanor. |
Karenina |
Jul-23-09 11:54 AM |
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I'm waiting to hear from his driver |
ellacott |
Jul-23-09 12:39 PM |
#52 |
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"Surprised and alarmed" by the out of control white cop on the black homeowner? |
omega minimo |
Jul-23-09 12:42 PM |
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I've seen this cop and he looks much younger than Dr. Gates |
Catherine Vincent |
Jul-23-09 12:43 PM |
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I don't care what color they are, tenured prof's too often think they're shit don't stink |
bridgit |
Jul-23-09 12:50 PM |
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And that's what everyone seems to be ignoring here... |
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Jul-23-09 02:23 PM |
#72 |
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Gates was wrong |
Taitertots |
Jul-23-09 01:27 PM |
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Police behavior is not "natural" - They aren't like tigers or bulls. |
bigmonkey |
Jul-23-09 01:52 PM |
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He wasn't just being disagreeable |
Taitertots |
Jul-23-09 02:33 PM |
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Crowley didn't behave that way. |
bigmonkey |
Jul-23-09 02:54 PM |
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Ok, Don Quixote, keep fighting those windmills |
Taitertots |
Jul-23-09 08:21 PM |
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"Like it or not the police have authority over you" |
bigmonkey |
Jul-23-09 11:47 PM |
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sure you have |
DisgustipatedinCA |
Jul-23-09 08:46 PM |
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If you don't act like a Gates, they don't give you shit |
Taitertots |
Jul-23-09 08:59 PM |
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"The difference is that I was calm, respectful and pleasant." |
clear eye |
Jul-24-09 10:23 AM |
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He was in his OWN HOUSE. nt. |
sam kane |
Jul-24-09 10:33 AM |
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Translation: Questioning Sgt Oink's Misconduct |
TexasObserver |
Jul-23-09 01:36 PM |
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and charges are dropped and unless you have $$ and threaten |
quiller4 |
Jul-23-09 02:40 PM |
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Get the fuck out Crowley. Seriously. Get the fuck out. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-23-09 06:44 PM |
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Yeah...there are these wacky things called guns and people sometimes shoot them |
augusta march |
Jul-23-09 06:47 PM |
#78 |
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Here is a link to the actual police report by Crowley |
Gothmog |
Jul-23-09 08:33 PM |
#81 |
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Sergeant James Crowley is fast on his way to becoming |
Karenina |
Jul-23-09 08:45 PM |
#84 |
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Well this sure got unrec'd, didn't it? |
redqueen |
Jul-24-09 09:57 AM |
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'SOME' people can't handle the truth and MANY don't give |
Fire1 |
Jul-24-09 10:38 AM |
#96 |
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Gates was arrested for ..."Contempt of Cop"..... |
lib2DaBone |
Jul-24-09 09:24 PM |
#99 |
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