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Reply #84: This woman is an idiot, and she misses the whole point of "marriage." [View All]

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84. This woman is an idiot, and she misses the whole point of "marriage."
Her relationship wasn't taken as seriously as a marriage because It Wasn't One. Its not "so why did it matter that a priest/judge/rabbi/pastor hadn't presided over our union?" Its the fact that they didn't stand up in front of their friends and family and say, "we are going to do everything in our power to stay together through thick and thin until death do us part. We expect there will be sickness and health, better and worse, richer and poorer -- and knowing that, we are going to do everything in our power to STAY TOGETHER because we have made a PUBLIC COMMITMENT to BE TOGETHER. And, we expect your support."

The officiant is just the person who walks you through the ceremony; it doesn't matter who (priest/judge/rabbi/pastor/grocery store clerk) has the microphone, its the PUBLIC COMMITMENT that makes a marriage.

Yes, folks can obviously have committed life long relationships (one of my dearest friends has a live in girlfriend of decades, but they've never publicly tied the knot, and they have legal documents drawn up to give each other 'rights' in the event of sickness/death), but despite their PRIVATE commitment, they aren't married, and that means if they decide to walk away, its going to be "easier" than if they had made their commitment "legal" -- they ARE boyfriend/girlfriend, not husband/wife.

Marriage is a choice. It doesn't make a good relationship bad or a bad relationship good; it is simply two people promising to do their best because they CHOOSE TO BE TOGETHER. Its about taking the "easy out" option OFF the table, and acknowledging the importance of the other person in your life. Its about saying, "this is more than sex, more than like, more than money, more than temporary -- this is who I want to be with for the rest of my life; we are partners in life's journey, wherever it takes us."

The truth is that a bad marriage can literally kill you, while a good marriage can extend your life, so people need to pick their life partners with wisdom; that awesome boyfriend who keeps getting fired probably isn't going to be a good guy to hitch your financial future to, while that cute girlfriend who can't be bothered to go to class in high school because she's spending all of her time on her hair might not have the same priorities about attaining job skills, which again, is a big warning sign about your financial future. I personally know of one couple where the wife financially screwed her husband over WHILE HE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL undergoing life threatening surgery -- he's currently living in a car, while she of little loyalty is shacking up with the new boyfriend.

Marriage doesn't change your character; a slacker, scammer, liar, thief, cheat, fill-in-the-blank is still going to be that same person, while a trustworthy, hardworking, honest, loving, supportive, partner/spouse/best friend is still going to be that as well. Interpersonal conflicts will arise, and if you don't have or learn the skills to resolve them, folks can be miserable until they work through them.

Everyday, marriage is a choice. The fancy dress on the big day isn't "marriage" and the party afterwards doesn't mean a couple will be together in two weeks. Marriage is planning on spending the rest of your life together. What the folks IN that marriage decide that means (where they live, if they have children, how many, how they will be raised, etc.) is between the two of them, and hopefully, both will be happy with where the relationship grows. Legally, there will be benefits acknowledging the "public contract" and also responsibilities.

I believe in marriage, and I believe it should be available to same-sex couples. If only we could convince the idiots to take it seriously when they pick their partners....Sigh.
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  I Don't Believe In Marriage - Here's Why I (Grudgingly) Got Married Anyway Hissyspit  Jul-22-09 05:40 AM   #0 
   no primate is monogamous  sam sarrha   Jul-22-09 06:30 AM   #1 
   not every marriage is monogamous, either.  Teaser   Jul-22-09 07:18 AM   #2 
   Some of them are openly not monogamous  tavalon   Jul-22-09 07:43 AM   #3 
      What percent of people do you think could deal with that situation?  GoesTo11   Jul-22-09 07:18 PM   #62 
         Good questions!  tavalon   Jul-22-09 11:49 PM   #79 
   That's not true. Gibbons are monogamous.  Mariana   Jul-22-09 08:14 AM   #4 
   Easy way to tell is  Yupster   Jul-23-09 11:19 AM   #91 
   Now you tell me. If I only had known that back when dating a gibbon,  truedelphi   Jul-23-09 03:41 PM   #94 
   This one is.  GoesTo11   Jul-22-09 08:51 AM   #7 
   .. doesn't count the males are terribly "Monkey Whipped" .... 6% of primates are monogamous..  sam sarrha   Jul-22-09 05:36 PM   #43 
   +1  AtheistCrusader   Jul-22-09 06:07 PM   #44 
   Bullshit.  Kalyke   Jul-22-09 09:11 AM   #8 
   +1  Mad_Dem_X   Jul-22-09 09:27 AM   #11 
   Why does marriage have to be monogamous? n/t  FreeState   Jul-22-09 03:23 PM   #17 
   Excellent question which I do not have the answer for.  sarcasmo   Jul-22-09 06:47 PM   #51 
   If both parties agree it doesn't, then it doesn't.  redqueen   Jul-22-09 06:49 PM   #53 
      Not playing dumb  FreeState   Jul-22-09 08:58 PM   #70 
   OR marry someone where monogamy is not an interest/concern/value.  AtheistCrusader   Jul-22-09 06:09 PM   #45 
   Mad Dem, I agree!  Mimosa   Jul-22-09 10:11 PM   #77 
   Wolves are forced into monogamy via intimidation in social hierarchy...  misanthrope   Jul-22-09 02:53 PM   #13 
   I've seen a lot of dumb posts on DU. This is one of them. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Jul-22-09 03:28 PM   #20 
      Only dumb to those comfortable with ignorance...  misanthrope   Jul-22-09 03:49 PM   #29 
         Dumb to those who understand the moral difference between wolves & human beings - which you don't.  apocalypsehow   Jul-22-09 04:01 PM   #36 
            And isn't that just the cutest little DU nick? A self-proclaimed loather of people on a discussion  apocalypsehow   Jul-22-09 04:05 PM   #37 
            The moral difference? LOL!!**nm  misanthrope   Jul-22-09 09:46 PM   #74 
               Last wordism at its finest - says nadda, refutes not a thing, and of course, the ubiquitous "LOL!"  apocalypsehow   Jul-22-09 11:44 PM   #78 
                  Which of the Lupine Ten Commandments is transgressed most?...  misanthrope   Jul-23-09 02:03 AM   #80 
                     It's no great shakes given the low level of intellect opposite, but thanks for the compliment. n/t.  apocalypsehow   Jul-23-09 02:32 AM   #83 
   Thank you.  redqueen   Jul-22-09 03:31 PM   #21 
   +1  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-22-09 05:21 PM   #41 
   Why is everyone in this thread confusing And conflating monogamy with marriage.  Hissyspit   Jul-22-09 07:18 PM   #60 
   I Am  ProfessorGAC   Jul-22-09 06:43 PM   #49 
   He's talking about species not individuals.  Hissyspit   Jul-22-09 08:42 PM   #66 
      That's Not What The Post Said  ProfessorGAC   Jul-23-09 07:18 PM   #99 
   you are full of shit... and to take it a step further. it is easy... n/t  seabeyond   Jul-22-09 06:49 PM   #52 
   Bullshit. n/t  Fire1   Jul-22-09 07:18 PM   #61 
   Unmarried Father would have no legal status  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-22-09 08:26 AM   #5 
   No necessarily true - it would depend on the state  csziggy   Jul-22-09 03:49 PM   #30 
   maybe her vocabulary includes the words "we" and "our" more often now  fishnfla   Jul-22-09 08:33 AM   #6 
   Me, too.  Kalyke   Jul-22-09 09:13 AM   #9 
   I Feel Sorry for Her and Her Husband  NashVegas   Jul-22-09 09:22 AM   #10 
   That was my first reaction too - especially for her husband.  smalll   Jul-23-09 03:43 PM   #95 
   There seem to be some responses here...  misanthrope   Jul-22-09 02:51 PM   #12 
   We are more than just our bodies. nt  Liquorice   Jul-22-09 03:21 PM   #16 
   Monogamy is a choice, not a condition (such as blue eyes).  redqueen   Jul-22-09 03:33 PM   #22 
   Junk science? You might want to go talk to some physical anthropologists...  misanthrope   Jul-22-09 03:47 PM   #26 
      I think you misread.  redqueen   Jul-22-09 03:52 PM   #31 
      The intent? How, pray tell, did you divine that?...  misanthrope   Jul-22-09 03:56 PM   #33 
         Uh... from your post.  redqueen   Jul-22-09 03:59 PM   #35 
            They do it all the time.  girl gone mad   Jul-22-09 04:26 PM   #38 
            Oh yes... it's nothing new or rare... which is why I posted this:  redqueen   Jul-22-09 04:31 PM   #39 
            lol lol... such a huge ass duh, ignored. from beginning of time, all cultures  seabeyond   Jul-22-09 06:39 PM   #47 
            So who is the arbiter of relevance and meaning?**nm  misanthrope   Jul-22-09 09:50 PM   #75 
            And...? How does that evidence deny polyamory?**nm  misanthrope   Jul-22-09 09:54 PM   #76 
               *sigh* Did I say it "denied polyamory" (whatever that means)?  redqueen   Jul-23-09 10:27 AM   #85 
      Thank you for that. More and more, as we have scientists unravel the  truedelphi   Jul-23-09 03:48 PM   #96 
   Hmm... bullshit "science" to support a political agenda?  WildEyedLiberal   Jul-22-09 05:22 PM   #42 
   guesses, assumptions, supposition to support agenda. everything but the facts  seabeyond   Jul-22-09 06:42 PM   #48 
   Wrong. All cultures haven't always embraced monogamy...  misanthrope   Jul-23-09 02:06 AM   #81 
   "humans are no more monogamous in nature"  Boojatta   Jul-22-09 09:34 PM   #73 
      No, I meant in "essence"...  misanthrope   Jul-23-09 02:11 AM   #82 
   "Moral" issues aside, how would you determine standing on legal issues?  ieoeja   Jul-22-09 03:12 PM   #14 
   Been happily, and monogamously, married for 20+ years.  MoonRiver   Jul-22-09 03:19 PM   #15 
   Been happy and monogamous......  gleaner   Jul-22-09 07:49 PM   #63 
   Isn't it silly for cohabitating heterosexuals to complain that they don't have all the benefits  Romulox   Jul-22-09 03:24 PM   #18 
   If there's one thing I've learned from my parents, grandparents, aunts and uncles,....  cbdo2007   Jul-22-09 03:25 PM   #19 
   Oh please. For half the people, that's how it works.  redqueen   Jul-22-09 03:34 PM   #23 
   They'd be hard pressed to prove 'half.' I'd venture to say  Fire1   Jul-22-09 07:05 PM   #55 
   That hasn't been my experience at all. nt  Liquorice   Jul-22-09 03:35 PM   #24 
   Broad brush much?  kimmylavin   Jul-22-09 03:48 PM   #27 
   You just restated what he said  Lorien   Jul-23-09 10:45 AM   #88 
      I did no such thing.  kimmylavin   Jul-23-09 03:33 PM   #92 
   I'm not talking about anyone else's experience just mine.  cbdo2007   Jul-22-09 03:58 PM   #34 
   I believe that your experience is the norm, not the exception  Lorien   Jul-23-09 10:40 AM   #87 
      interesting....  seabeyond   Jul-23-09 10:46 AM   #89 
   and in my family and my hubby family there is only one couple that cheated  seabeyond   Jul-22-09 06:44 PM   #50 
   My dad and stepmom lasted 27 years together cohabitating  Lorien   Jul-23-09 10:37 AM   #86 
   My wife and I have been together since 88'  Echo In Light   Jul-22-09 03:35 PM   #25 
   Me Too  localroger   Jul-22-09 03:48 PM   #28 
   I'm not scandalized.  kimmylavin   Jul-23-09 03:38 PM   #93 
   I agree with a lot she wrote - I never planned on getting married  csziggy   Jul-22-09 03:55 PM   #32 
   San Francisco solved that problem years ago --  Hell Hath No Fury   Jul-22-09 04:54 PM   #40 
   What a whiner!  Gwendolyn   Jul-22-09 06:33 PM   #46 
   Yeah and this issue has NOTHING to do with  Fire1   Jul-22-09 07:10 PM   #57 
      How social & property rights laws and gender role cultural pressures  Hissyspit   Jul-22-09 08:39 PM   #65 
         I was specifically addressing the 'monogomy' or lack  Fire1   Jul-22-09 08:44 PM   #67 
            Thanks for clarifying.  Hissyspit   Jul-22-09 08:51 PM   #68 
               Respectfully, I totally disagree. n/t  Fire1   Jul-22-09 08:58 PM   #69 
   I'm confused as to why she 'grudgingly' got married.  Avalux   Jul-22-09 06:54 PM   #54 
   Most of the marriages in my family worked and mine is  Fire1   Jul-22-09 07:08 PM   #56 
   Higamous, hogamous, woman’s monogamous; hogamous, higamous, man is polygamous.  Individualist   Jul-22-09 07:11 PM   #58 
   That's ridiculous. nt  Liquorice   Jul-22-09 07:13 PM   #59 
   please clarify why percentage of women and men now cheat the same....  seabeyond   Jul-22-09 07:57 PM   #64 
   Interesting range of responses, lol.  LWolf   Jul-22-09 08:58 PM   #71 
   We got married for health coverage  Generator   Jul-22-09 09:15 PM   #72 
   This woman is an idiot, and she misses the whole point of "marriage."  IdaBriggs   Jul-23-09 06:14 AM   #84 
   Humans are flexible. Monogamy, polygamy, what-have-you.  Dogmudgeon   Jul-23-09 10:57 AM   #90 
   When a country/state give special privileges to a group of people, one must BELONG to that group  SoCalDem   Jul-23-09 03:57 PM   #97 
   cohabiting just isn't the same thing. It isn't.  mainer   Jul-23-09 04:01 PM   #98 
 

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