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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 03:42 PM
Response to Reply #122
131. No - a minimum wage isnt' a bad thing
But beyond that i'm for workers having the freedom to work where they want, and management, within reason, to employ who they want.

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  -So, what's so bad about socialism? LuckyTheDog  Jul-20-09 12:22 PM   #0 
  - Nothing is wrong with it. In fact, I wish we were more like Scandinavians. You know, happier.  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 12:24 PM   #1 
  - The three classic  AndyfromNC   Jul-20-09 12:34 PM   #11 
  - I think you have a better idea of what socialism is than most here.  county worker   Jul-20-09 12:57 PM   #24 
  - Wrong guess. + Oversimplification of the "idea".  patrice   Jul-20-09 06:49 PM   #169 
     - +1 brazillion! Well put! Thanks! (nt)  scarletwoman   Jul-20-09 07:05 PM   #177 
        - blushing . . . Thanks!! scarletwoman, Solidarity!  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:43 PM   #209 
           - What else is there to say? Workers of the World, UNITE!  scarletwoman   Jul-20-09 11:14 PM   #215 
              - Very THIN arguments supporting Capitalism in this thread. Shallow talking points. VERY shallow.  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:25 PM   #218 
                 - Patrice & Scarlet Woman I am with you both,  TBF   Jul-21-09 10:13 AM   #234 
                    - Solidarity! TBF : - )  patrice   Jul-21-09 10:39 PM   #250 
  - There's a fundamental problem to your analysis  Chulanowa   Jul-20-09 01:17 PM   #43 
  - You'll get crickets.... guaranteed  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:19 PM   #46 
  - excellent post!!  knixphan   Jul-20-09 01:31 PM   #54 
  - On greed.  gorfle   Jul-20-09 02:10 PM   #82 
  - Pure libertarianism.  blindpig   Jul-20-09 03:19 PM   #120 
  - I doubt it.  gorfle   Jul-20-09 07:26 PM   #182 
     - Or, more to the point, I think  Mythsaje   Jul-20-09 09:17 PM   #201 
     - And that's different from what we have how?  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:16 PM   #216 
     - desire of food, money, power, or sex  vincent_vega_lives   Jul-21-09 07:14 AM   #228 
  - Operative terminology: "I" and "believe". You ever hear of something called Rational Empiricism?  patrice   Jul-20-09 07:03 PM   #175 
  - You ever hear...  gorfle   Jul-20-09 07:26 PM   #183 
     - Well, there are opinions and then there are opinions. Yours is about the WHOLE Human Race.That makes  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:02 PM   #187 
        - But not a hard one to forumlate.  gorfle   Jul-20-09 09:01 PM   #200 
           - "in general" is an average that encompasses a great deal of variation. I'm more  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:21 PM   #206 
              - My expectations don't shape past history.  gorfle   Jul-21-09 10:11 AM   #233 
  - Capitalism constrains everyone to the same social outcome by making the Rat Race NECESSARY. Run or  patrice   Jul-20-09 07:19 PM   #181 
  - Google the following: Maslow's pyramid of needs  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-20-09 11:33 PM   #220 
  - Pretty well nailed it.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:12 PM   #84 
  - I think assumptions are being made  AndyfromNC   Jul-20-09 04:03 PM   #135 
  - All we have to go on is what you write. To wit;  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 05:40 PM   #161 
  - Though in fact they have or had programs  Thothmes   Jul-20-09 06:40 PM   #166 
  - Very stimulating! Thanks!  patrice   Jul-20-09 06:58 PM   #172 
  - My thought is, it's better than the rampant Capitalism that we  lumpy   Jul-20-09 01:17 PM   #45 
  - This argument I don't quite get...  iwillalwayswonderwhy   Jul-20-09 01:22 PM   #50 
  - Well, I wasn't thinking of hungry children, but productive adults  AndyfromNC   Jul-20-09 04:09 PM   #139 
     - The problem is there has been no true socialist state.  Selatius   Jul-20-09 05:24 PM   #157 
     - You have extremely limited notions about human nature.  patrice   Jul-20-09 07:59 PM   #186 
  - Very funny  BolivarianHero   Jul-20-09 01:58 PM   #72 
  - Very funny  BolivarianHero   Jul-20-09 01:58 PM   #73 
  - How does large scale socialism, as you understand it, differ from large scale corporate capitalism?  baldguy   Jul-20-09 05:42 PM   #164 
  - 1. You assume there is no potential for intrinsic motivation in the work itself.  patrice   Jul-20-09 07:50 PM   #185 
  - We're already one of the biggest socialist countries, both in terms  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 12:59 PM   #25 
     - Only considered "radical" by those who put profits before people  Echo In Light   Jul-20-09 01:00 PM   #27 
  - It's worked fine for the US military. No major northern European migration to the US. Wonder why?  Captain Hilts   Jul-20-09 12:24 PM   #2 
  - Like liberalism the right has made a career of making it a bad thing  liberal N proud   Jul-20-09 12:25 PM   #3 
  - Corporations don't like it  Juche   Jul-20-09 12:25 PM   #4 
  - I tend to think that Socialism is good in areas where it's not profitable for  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 12:26 PM   #5 
  - "a societal need that trumps the need to make money"  maryf   Jul-20-09 12:49 PM   #18 
  - Consumer Goods for example, Labor for another.  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 01:52 PM   #65 
     - But, one variety of beans would be much cheaper and why do we need "Black Angus" burgers when plain  jody   Jul-20-09 02:49 PM   #100 
     - and that's exactly my question  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 03:02 PM   #106 
     - With basic needs met by socialism, many will become beer, clothing, or other-type of entrepreneurs.  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:15 PM   #188 
     - So a minimum wage, let alone a living wage, is a bad thing in your opinion? n/t  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 03:23 PM   #122 
     - No - a minimum wage isnt' a bad thing  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 03:42 PM   #131 
        - "within reason" What is reasonable, in your estimation? n/t  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 03:59 PM   #134 
           - well they shouldn't be able to eliminate unions and they shouldn't be able to discriminate  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 09:22 PM   #202 
              - Well, then we have the government involved and that's how it starts.  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 01:20 PM   #240 
                 - Yes but who decides who works where within that framework?  el_bryanto   Jul-21-09 01:40 PM   #241 
                    - My answer would be that it is your choice. If society needs more data entry  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 02:07 PM   #244 
     - FOOD!!! Private????  maryf   Jul-21-09 11:39 AM   #236 
  - Not a damn thing wrong with it!  frebrd   Jul-20-09 12:53 PM   #21 
  - Good question.  immoderate   Jul-20-09 12:26 PM   #6 
  - After fighting private insurance  Brewman_Jax   Jul-20-09 12:30 PM   #7 
  - Nothing.  billyoc   Jul-20-09 12:32 PM   #8 
  - Ditto n/t  ismnotwasm   Jul-20-09 12:33 PM   #10 
  - I'll take the health care - but they can keep the  subcomhd   Jul-20-09 12:32 PM   #9 
  - Seems reasonable (nt)  LuckyTheDog   Jul-20-09 12:38 PM   #16 
  - It eliminates revenue streams.  sutz12   Jul-20-09 12:35 PM   #12 
  - The guys at the top of the socialist ladder get the Ice Cream.  Wizard777   Jul-20-09 12:36 PM   #13 
  - Nothing  Birthmark   Jul-20-09 12:36 PM   #14 
  - Yes, what's bad about a Social Contract that says: The group has responsibilities to its individual  patrice   Jul-20-09 12:38 PM   #15 
  - It's Soooo not capitalism  backtoblue   Jul-20-09 12:39 PM   #17 
  - I don't want socialism. I guess a lot depends on where you are on the economic ladder.  county worker   Jul-20-09 12:49 PM   #19 
  - Are you really a county worker? The irony here is killing me.  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 12:55 PM   #23 
  - Please explain  county worker   Jul-20-09 01:04 PM   #31 
  - I get it, now -- these comments sseemed weird to me :  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 01:10 PM   #36 
     - Someone who is well off or owns a means of production is not better off with socialism  county worker   Jul-20-09 01:56 PM   #69 
        - Ya think? My familly in Holland owns a few very successful companies...  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 02:07 PM   #80 
        - I'm thinking of a totally socialized society. Not just one aspect of it.  county worker   Jul-20-09 02:38 PM   #94 
           - are you sure you aren't thinking of communism?  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 02:45 PM   #96 
              - I'm thinking of the following from Wikipedia  county worker   Jul-20-09 03:14 PM   #116 
                 - The definition is so vague as to be useless. Allow me to demonstrate.  Selatius   Jul-20-09 05:41 PM   #162 
                 - Agree see #145. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 07:06 PM   #178 
                 - "Collective ownership" can still be in partnership with other entities, private and otherwise. nt  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:39 PM   #195 
        - Explain HOW persons will not be able to develope themselves.  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:32 PM   #192 
        - Specifically how are they not better off? Details please.  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:36 PM   #194 
  - I know, right?  SammyWinstonJack   Jul-20-09 01:11 PM   #38 
  - Yes. Precisely. Your views depend on where you stand on the 4 rungs of the economic ladder.  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 04:47 PM   #151 
  - Well! and suscinctly put!  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:48 PM   #197 
  - So, county worker, are your wages/salary paid by Taxes? nt  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:23 PM   #189 
  - Apparently, your definition of socialism is "Everything is done in one way and one way only for  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:27 PM   #190 
  - Perhaps you should ask the Russians and Chinese. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 12:49 PM   #20 
  - That's communism.  LuckyTheDog   Jul-20-09 12:55 PM   #22 
  - No, that's socialism. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 12:59 PM   #26 
  - Wrong  LuckyTheDog   Jul-20-09 01:11 PM   #39 
  - OP "what's so bad about socialism?" You might visit links at wiki's "Socialism" & "Communism" to  jody   Jul-20-09 01:33 PM   #55 
  - Only as much as Islam = the Taliban, or Christianity = the Inquisition  LeftishBrit   Jul-20-09 01:15 PM   #42 
     - There are significant differences between competing economic systems that deal with the natural  jody   Jul-20-09 01:40 PM   #62 
        - I see lots of differences between the natural and supernatural  LeftishBrit   Jul-20-09 03:03 PM   #107 
           - Reply to one theme in your post, when a central committee determines what goods and services  jody   Jul-20-09 03:15 PM   #118 
              - 'Socialism' in democratic countries does not mean that...  LeftishBrit   Jul-20-09 04:27 PM   #147 
                 - What definition of socialism are you using? See #145. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 04:32 PM   #149 
  - Union of Soviet "Socialist" Republics.  Thothmes   Jul-20-09 06:45 PM   #168 
     - Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 11:50 PM   #221 
        - They also had socialized health care, old age insurance  Thothmes   Jul-21-09 07:15 PM   #246 
  - The OP explicitly referenced the Scandinavian Democratic Socialist version  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 01:37 PM   #58 
  - But Norway and Scandinavia also have Captialism  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 02:10 PM   #81 
  - Where does the OP demand this so called 'pure' socialism?  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 02:46 PM   #97 
     - Title?  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 03:03 PM   #109 
        - There is no such reference to this pure socialism you demand.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 03:08 PM   #113 
           - Title References Socialism period.  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 03:24 PM   #123 
              - Correct.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 04:13 PM   #140 
  - OP subject re socialism in general and used two special cases. It's laughable to think that Sweden  jody   Jul-20-09 02:28 PM   #91 
     - it is only laughable if you need to dismiss all of the many good  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 02:48 PM   #99 
        - OP asked "what's so bad about socialism?" You have retreated to trying to find special cases where  jody   Jul-20-09 02:54 PM   #103 
           - OP explicitly pointed to the European social democracies.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 03:01 PM   #105 
              - Sorry, OP subject an unlimited question "what's so bad about socialism?"  jody   Jul-20-09 03:08 PM   #112 
                 - No that is not what the OP did.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 03:09 PM   #114 
                    - ROFL, "strawman" when the OP author posed the question, not me and chose to place "?" not I. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 03:17 PM   #119 
                       - OP explicitly pointed to the European social democracies.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 04:08 PM   #138 
                          - OP asked "what's so bad about socialism?" What Russia/China tried and failed at is the answer. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 04:13 PM   #141 
  - Neither of those nations were Communist (or Socialist) except in name.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:22 PM   #88 
  - Why? OP asked "what's so bad about socialism?" and clearly Russia/China have the most extensive  jody   Jul-20-09 02:30 PM   #92 
     - Again, they were/are both totalitarian police states that merely called themselves Communist  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:51 PM   #101 
        - Again, OP asked "what's so bad about socialism?" Whether socialism is imposed by a benevolent or  jody   Jul-20-09 03:00 PM   #104 
        - China is a totalitarian capitalist state.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 03:06 PM   #110 
        - Please cite specific examples where China dictates what products will be produced for sale in the US  jody   Jul-20-09 03:22 PM   #121 
           - please misread everything I write and create arguments based on your misreading  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 04:07 PM   #137 
              - China under Mao was a socialist state copying Russia. Both experiments with socialism failed and  jody   Jul-20-09 04:15 PM   #143 
        - Socialism, or Communism for that matter, has nothing to do with dictatorships, that's the point.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 03:12 PM   #115 
           - Are you contending that in the 20th century Russia/China did not own the means of production  jody   Jul-20-09 03:25 PM   #125 
              - So the answer is purposely obtuse.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 03:31 PM   #127 
              - Have a blissful day.  jody   Jul-20-09 03:33 PM   #129 
              - No, he's contending that that isn't socialism OR communism.  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 05:23 PM   #156 
                 - Perhaps you should readmoreoften and try to understand what you read. A place to start is  jody   Jul-20-09 05:42 PM   #163 
                 - Could this be what passes for intellectualism in Alabama?  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 06:50 PM   #170 
                    - LOL, obviously you have already incurred irreversible damage. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 06:58 PM   #173 
        - I agree with you  newspeak   Jul-21-09 11:22 AM   #235 
           - Most of the people I've ever met from elsewhere have been far more sane than nearly all  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 02:05 PM   #243 
  - Try reading a book  KingFlorez   Jul-20-09 03:03 PM   #108 
  - Please list the difference between socialism & communism regarding ownership of means of production  jody   Jul-20-09 03:29 PM   #126 
     - Socialism doesn't go anywhere as far as Communism does  KingFlorez   Jul-20-09 04:14 PM   #142 
        - What definition of the end state of a nation's economy under socialism are you using?  jody   Jul-20-09 04:25 PM   #145 
           - That's how most countries with Socialist systems in Europe operate  KingFlorez   Jul-20-09 08:47 PM   #196 
              - There can be no "truth" as long as socialism is not defined. The posts in this thread suggest few  jody   Jul-20-09 08:56 PM   #198 
              - Dupe deleted. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 08:57 PM   #199 
  - Stalinism was reactionary state capitalism and had zero to do with the Bolshevik revolution  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 05:13 PM   #155 
  - The Republicans say that American Democrats are Socialists.  Ian David   Jul-20-09 01:01 PM   #28 
  - Always wondered if the much smaller populations of those countries had something to do the success.  timeforpeace   Jul-20-09 01:02 PM   #29 
  - Don't discard their homogeneous population and common heritage. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 01:10 PM   #37 
  - Shouldn't build on another model.  proteus_lives   Jul-20-09 01:04 PM   #30 
  - sweden & norway are capitalist.  Hannah Bell   Jul-20-09 01:33 PM   #56 
     - Capitalism, Socialism, Communism aren't absolute  IDFbunny   Jul-20-09 02:12 PM   #85 
  - Socialism not = Command Economy, Socialism = safety net  philly_bob   Jul-20-09 01:05 PM   #32 
  - not = = =/=  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:30 PM   #219 
  - it works poorly  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:07 PM   #33 
  - Perhaps it's not a one-or-the-other thing like most of its opponents suggest, then (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-20-09 01:10 PM   #35 
  - no. it's a continuum  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:14 PM   #41 
     - Most of its opponents I've seen tend to be one-percenters like that  Posteritatis   Jul-20-09 01:30 PM   #53 
        - people on both sides of the aisle do that  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:37 PM   #59 
  - "crushes entrepreneurial spirit and disempowers people"  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:22 PM   #49 
  - well there's a cogent argument  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:25 PM   #51 
     - And your assertions are a joke. Give us a few examples of Socialism CRUSHING the entreprenurial...  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:28 PM   #52 
        - well let's see  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:35 PM   #57 
           - We're talking SOCIALISM (Sweden/Western Europe) not COMMUNISM - Jesus! What an idiot!  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:46 PM   #63 
           - do you study terminology  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:50 PM   #64 
              - The OP is referring to SOCIALISM that is known in Skandinavia and Canada - and you twisted it around  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:53 PM   #66 
                 - because it's not socialism  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:54 PM   #67 
                    - So what you're saying is that communism and socialism are the same thing?  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:58 PM   #71 
                       - no,i'm saying terminology matters  paulsby   Jul-20-09 02:00 PM   #76 
                       - How does SOCIALISM crush the "entrepreneurial spirit"???  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 02:02 PM   #79 
                          - Socialism - People collectively own the means of production  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 02:22 PM   #89 
                             - But that isn't necessarily 100% of the ownership and control. Collectives are not the sole  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:03 PM   #213 
                                - Websters disagrees  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-21-09 06:43 AM   #227 
                       - You're confusing socialism with social democratic reform parties and states.  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 04:57 PM   #153 
                          - Thanks for the info.  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 09:44 PM   #203 
                          - good response  paulsby   Jul-20-09 11:22 PM   #217 
           - Hey, the USSR gave us the world's largest transistor...  Flaneur   Jul-20-09 03:24 PM   #124 
              - And they decriminalized homosexuality and abortion in 1920. 83 and 53 years before the US,  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 05:27 PM   #158 
  - Remind me again why we love "entrepreneurial spirit" -  TBF   Jul-20-09 01:37 PM   #60 
  - He's not going to answer. He'll just related it with Joseph Stalin or some shit.  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:55 PM   #68 
  - Ah - no true socialism - of course.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 01:39 PM   #61 
  - Have you ever read "The Wealth of Nations"?  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:27 PM   #90 
  - Wealth of Nations: And in which Labor is a REAL value and money isn't nt  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:38 PM   #208 
     - That's another very large and important factor of the theory.  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 01:10 PM   #239 
  - Un-regulated Capitalism also crushes entrepreneurial spirit and disempowers people by means of  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:04 PM   #204 
  - Nothing if used wisely.  Rex   Jul-20-09 01:08 PM   #34 
  - You don't have to be Einstein to know that Socialism is the best way...  NAO   Jul-20-09 01:12 PM   #40 
  - Einstein supported development and use of the atomic bomb. Could he have right or wrong  jody   Jul-20-09 02:37 PM   #93 
     - He did in 1939 in reaction to his fear that the Nazis were working on their own, however  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 04:20 PM   #144 
        - Einstein supported use of the bomb before he opposed it. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 04:27 PM   #146 
  - Nothing.  LeftishBrit   Jul-20-09 01:17 PM   #44 
  - Nothing. nt  LWolf   Jul-20-09 01:20 PM   #47 
  - It goes against the prime directive: "inequality for all"  harun   Jul-20-09 01:20 PM   #48 
  - It goes against the corporate fascism that conservatives want  Ardent15   Jul-20-09 01:56 PM   #70 
  - We pay nearly as much in taxes as they do, when you combine state, local, and federal taxes,  DailyGrind51   Jul-20-09 01:59 PM   #74 
  - In it's pure form?  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 01:59 PM   #75 
  - I say socialism for health care, education, and energy...  KansDem   Jul-20-09 02:01 PM   #77 
  - Exactly. How about we just use it as directed in the Preamble of The Constitution?  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:38 PM   #95 
  - Neither Sweden nor Norway are socialist.  blindpig   Jul-20-09 02:01 PM   #78 
  - In Democracies, Isn't Socialism Inevitable?  Yavin4   Jul-20-09 02:10 PM   #83 
  - First they came for the capitalism...and I gladly handed it over!  leftstreet   Jul-20-09 02:17 PM   #87 
  - What Is There Left To Steal?  Yavin4   Jul-20-09 02:51 PM   #102 
  - Probably an Oscillator  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 03:07 PM   #111 
  - democracies devolve into fascism  datasuspect   Jul-21-09 08:43 AM   #232 
  - There are better ways than Socialism....  chaska   Jul-20-09 02:15 PM   #86 
  - I believe we are at an evolutionary crossroads re this matter of false dichotomies and  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:13 PM   #214 
  - It's the only way to survive in the future?  RedCloud   Jul-20-09 02:47 PM   #98 
  - No incentive to work.  Zavulon   Jul-20-09 03:15 PM   #117 
  - Come on it can't be that simple, can it? IMO yes. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 03:32 PM   #128 
  - Because You'd Do Work That You Enjoy?  Yavin4   Jul-20-09 03:34 PM   #130 
  - That's be a dream society. I could have any job I wanted?  Zavulon   Jul-20-09 03:45 PM   #132 
  - There Are Garbage Collectors and Proctologists In Scandinavia?  Yavin4   Jul-20-09 03:54 PM   #133 
     - Impossible! No incentive if room and board and health are covered! None I can think of!  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 05:37 PM   #160 
  - Where "people could do work that they'd enjoy?" I meet many every day who enjoy doing nothing. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 04:29 PM   #148 
  - J.K. Rowling is the product of a "socialist" system and England's willingness  DailyGrind51   Jul-20-09 06:05 PM   #165 
     - Karl Marx lived more than half his life in England and is also a product of England's system. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 07:04 PM   #176 
        - And, that is related to J.K. Rowling, how? (other than the country of residence)  DailyGrind51   Jul-21-09 08:35 AM   #231 
           - See "130. Because You'd Do Work That You Enjoy?" n/t  jody   Jul-21-09 12:24 PM   #237 
  - Really? And yet people in Scandinavia have jobs.  Raineyb   Jul-20-09 04:06 PM   #136 
  - And  AndyfromNC   Jul-20-09 05:00 PM   #154 
     - $80,000 is a bit unrealistic.  LAGC   Jul-20-09 08:32 PM   #193 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-20-09 05:31 PM   #159 
  - Apparently you wouldn't, but then again, you thankfully are not representative  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 06:59 PM   #174 
  - Because it still costs money for things you enjoy doing.  LAGC   Jul-20-09 08:31 PM   #191 
  - I work in a nursing home where there is no incentive for the residents to work and, guess what?  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:09 PM   #205 
  - To buy other stuff.  chrisa   Jul-21-09 07:27 PM   #248 
  - Not a thing, especially for the necessities of life. nt  tbyg52   Jul-20-09 04:36 PM   #150 
  - But but what about the insanely rich  Chisox08   Jul-20-09 04:56 PM   #152 
  - Socialism beats the hell out of capitalism.  armyowalgreens   Jul-20-09 06:41 PM   #167 
  - As predicted in this reply, all of the "soshulism is bad" replies invariably  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 06:54 PM   #171 
  - Which examples...  gorfle   Jul-20-09 07:28 PM   #184 
     - How many would you like? How far back do you want to go?  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 03:19 PM   #245 
  - Sweden and Norway are not socialist. They're capitalist social democracies.  anigbrowl   Jul-20-09 07:06 PM   #179 
  - Swedes and Norwegians aren't socialist  Rosa Luxemburg   Jul-20-09 07:08 PM   #180 
  - For the people in this thread who think Socialism will make people lazy, your assumptions are based  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:28 PM   #207 
  - There seems to be a lot of confusion about what socialism is  killbotfactory   Jul-20-09 10:52 PM   #210 
  - Do check out The Wealth of Nations for one perspective on that question.  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:58 PM   #212 
  - I think that there is no  AndyfromNC   Jul-21-09 08:28 AM   #230 
  - All of the arguments against Socialism in this thread are based on the assumption that money has  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:54 PM   #211 
  - Interstate Freeway System. Socialist. US economy would collapse without it. Overnight.  troubledamerican   Jul-21-09 01:25 AM   #222 
  - Socialized health care for Congress, the military. Yawn. Shocking.  troubledamerican   Jul-21-09 01:26 AM   #223 
  - Military is socialist. Fire department. Police. Municipal water. Got cholera?  troubledamerican   Jul-21-09 01:27 AM   #224 
  - Socialism is already here. Emphasize the examples above. Stop utopianizing.  troubledamerican   Jul-21-09 01:28 AM   #225 
  - Some things belong in the public sphere. Other things don't.  eridani   Jul-21-09 03:20 AM   #226 
  - Why use experience and facts against fantasy? n/t  jody   Jul-21-09 12:27 PM   #238 
  - The answer is yes  mogster   Jul-21-09 08:19 AM   #229 
  - It doesn't exist  Nederland   Jul-21-09 01:48 PM   #242 
  - Both in their purest forms.  chrisa   Jul-21-09 07:33 PM   #249 
  - Socialism is fine.  chrisa   Jul-21-09 07:22 PM   #247 
 

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