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Response to Reply #113
123. Title References Socialism period.
And as a supporting argument, not a modifier, references how happy Norwegians and Scandinavians are.

If the intent was to ask
"What is so bad about the policies of the Social Democrats in Norway and Sweden" then it was not clear in the OP. (For the record shutting down Nukes prematurly only to replace the energy with fossile fuel burning is a mistake IMHO)
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  -So, what's so bad about socialism? LuckyTheDog  Jul-20-09 12:22 PM   #0 
  - Nothing is wrong with it. In fact, I wish we were more like Scandinavians. You know, happier.  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 12:24 PM   #1 
  - The three classic  AndyfromNC   Jul-20-09 12:34 PM   #11 
  - I think you have a better idea of what socialism is than most here.  county worker   Jul-20-09 12:57 PM   #24 
  - Wrong guess. + Oversimplification of the "idea".  patrice   Jul-20-09 06:49 PM   #169 
     - +1 brazillion! Well put! Thanks! (nt)  scarletwoman   Jul-20-09 07:05 PM   #177 
        - blushing . . . Thanks!! scarletwoman, Solidarity!  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:43 PM   #209 
           - What else is there to say? Workers of the World, UNITE!  scarletwoman   Jul-20-09 11:14 PM   #215 
              - Very THIN arguments supporting Capitalism in this thread. Shallow talking points. VERY shallow.  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:25 PM   #218 
                 - Patrice & Scarlet Woman I am with you both,  TBF   Jul-21-09 10:13 AM   #234 
                    - Solidarity! TBF : - )  patrice   Jul-21-09 10:39 PM   #250 
  - There's a fundamental problem to your analysis  Chulanowa   Jul-20-09 01:17 PM   #43 
  - You'll get crickets.... guaranteed  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:19 PM   #46 
  - excellent post!!  knixphan   Jul-20-09 01:31 PM   #54 
  - On greed.  gorfle   Jul-20-09 02:10 PM   #82 
  - Pure libertarianism.  blindpig   Jul-20-09 03:19 PM   #120 
  - I doubt it.  gorfle   Jul-20-09 07:26 PM   #182 
     - Or, more to the point, I think  Mythsaje   Jul-20-09 09:17 PM   #201 
     - And that's different from what we have how?  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:16 PM   #216 
     - desire of food, money, power, or sex  vincent_vega_lives   Jul-21-09 07:14 AM   #228 
  - Operative terminology: "I" and "believe". You ever hear of something called Rational Empiricism?  patrice   Jul-20-09 07:03 PM   #175 
  - You ever hear...  gorfle   Jul-20-09 07:26 PM   #183 
     - Well, there are opinions and then there are opinions. Yours is about the WHOLE Human Race.That makes  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:02 PM   #187 
        - But not a hard one to forumlate.  gorfle   Jul-20-09 09:01 PM   #200 
           - "in general" is an average that encompasses a great deal of variation. I'm more  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:21 PM   #206 
              - My expectations don't shape past history.  gorfle   Jul-21-09 10:11 AM   #233 
  - Capitalism constrains everyone to the same social outcome by making the Rat Race NECESSARY. Run or  patrice   Jul-20-09 07:19 PM   #181 
  - Google the following: Maslow's pyramid of needs  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-20-09 11:33 PM   #220 
  - Pretty well nailed it.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:12 PM   #84 
  - I think assumptions are being made  AndyfromNC   Jul-20-09 04:03 PM   #135 
  - All we have to go on is what you write. To wit;  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 05:40 PM   #161 
  - Though in fact they have or had programs  Thothmes   Jul-20-09 06:40 PM   #166 
  - Very stimulating! Thanks!  patrice   Jul-20-09 06:58 PM   #172 
  - My thought is, it's better than the rampant Capitalism that we  lumpy   Jul-20-09 01:17 PM   #45 
  - This argument I don't quite get...  iwillalwayswonderwhy   Jul-20-09 01:22 PM   #50 
  - Well, I wasn't thinking of hungry children, but productive adults  AndyfromNC   Jul-20-09 04:09 PM   #139 
     - The problem is there has been no true socialist state.  Selatius   Jul-20-09 05:24 PM   #157 
     - You have extremely limited notions about human nature.  patrice   Jul-20-09 07:59 PM   #186 
  - Very funny  BolivarianHero   Jul-20-09 01:58 PM   #72 
  - Very funny  BolivarianHero   Jul-20-09 01:58 PM   #73 
  - How does large scale socialism, as you understand it, differ from large scale corporate capitalism?  baldguy   Jul-20-09 05:42 PM   #164 
  - 1. You assume there is no potential for intrinsic motivation in the work itself.  patrice   Jul-20-09 07:50 PM   #185 
  - We're already one of the biggest socialist countries, both in terms  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 12:59 PM   #25 
     - Only considered "radical" by those who put profits before people  Echo In Light   Jul-20-09 01:00 PM   #27 
  - It's worked fine for the US military. No major northern European migration to the US. Wonder why?  Captain Hilts   Jul-20-09 12:24 PM   #2 
  - Like liberalism the right has made a career of making it a bad thing  liberal N proud   Jul-20-09 12:25 PM   #3 
  - Corporations don't like it  Juche   Jul-20-09 12:25 PM   #4 
  - I tend to think that Socialism is good in areas where it's not profitable for  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 12:26 PM   #5 
  - "a societal need that trumps the need to make money"  maryf   Jul-20-09 12:49 PM   #18 
  - Consumer Goods for example, Labor for another.  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 01:52 PM   #65 
     - But, one variety of beans would be much cheaper and why do we need "Black Angus" burgers when plain  jody   Jul-20-09 02:49 PM   #100 
     - and that's exactly my question  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 03:02 PM   #106 
     - With basic needs met by socialism, many will become beer, clothing, or other-type of entrepreneurs.  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:15 PM   #188 
     - So a minimum wage, let alone a living wage, is a bad thing in your opinion? n/t  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 03:23 PM   #122 
     - No - a minimum wage isnt' a bad thing  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 03:42 PM   #131 
        - "within reason" What is reasonable, in your estimation? n/t  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 03:59 PM   #134 
           - well they shouldn't be able to eliminate unions and they shouldn't be able to discriminate  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 09:22 PM   #202 
              - Well, then we have the government involved and that's how it starts.  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 01:20 PM   #240 
                 - Yes but who decides who works where within that framework?  el_bryanto   Jul-21-09 01:40 PM   #241 
                    - My answer would be that it is your choice. If society needs more data entry  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 02:07 PM   #244 
     - FOOD!!! Private????  maryf   Jul-21-09 11:39 AM   #236 
  - Not a damn thing wrong with it!  frebrd   Jul-20-09 12:53 PM   #21 
  - Good question.  immoderate   Jul-20-09 12:26 PM   #6 
  - After fighting private insurance  Brewman_Jax   Jul-20-09 12:30 PM   #7 
  - Nothing.  billyoc   Jul-20-09 12:32 PM   #8 
  - Ditto n/t  ismnotwasm   Jul-20-09 12:33 PM   #10 
  - I'll take the health care - but they can keep the  subcomhd   Jul-20-09 12:32 PM   #9 
  - Seems reasonable (nt)  LuckyTheDog   Jul-20-09 12:38 PM   #16 
  - It eliminates revenue streams.  sutz12   Jul-20-09 12:35 PM   #12 
  - The guys at the top of the socialist ladder get the Ice Cream.  Wizard777   Jul-20-09 12:36 PM   #13 
  - Nothing  Birthmark   Jul-20-09 12:36 PM   #14 
  - Yes, what's bad about a Social Contract that says: The group has responsibilities to its individual  patrice   Jul-20-09 12:38 PM   #15 
  - It's Soooo not capitalism  backtoblue   Jul-20-09 12:39 PM   #17 
  - I don't want socialism. I guess a lot depends on where you are on the economic ladder.  county worker   Jul-20-09 12:49 PM   #19 
  - Are you really a county worker? The irony here is killing me.  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 12:55 PM   #23 
  - Please explain  county worker   Jul-20-09 01:04 PM   #31 
  - I get it, now -- these comments sseemed weird to me :  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 01:10 PM   #36 
     - Someone who is well off or owns a means of production is not better off with socialism  county worker   Jul-20-09 01:56 PM   #69 
        - Ya think? My familly in Holland owns a few very successful companies...  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 02:07 PM   #80 
        - I'm thinking of a totally socialized society. Not just one aspect of it.  county worker   Jul-20-09 02:38 PM   #94 
           - are you sure you aren't thinking of communism?  elehhhhna   Jul-20-09 02:45 PM   #96 
              - I'm thinking of the following from Wikipedia  county worker   Jul-20-09 03:14 PM   #116 
                 - The definition is so vague as to be useless. Allow me to demonstrate.  Selatius   Jul-20-09 05:41 PM   #162 
                 - Agree see #145. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 07:06 PM   #178 
                 - "Collective ownership" can still be in partnership with other entities, private and otherwise. nt  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:39 PM   #195 
        - Explain HOW persons will not be able to develope themselves.  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:32 PM   #192 
        - Specifically how are they not better off? Details please.  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:36 PM   #194 
  - I know, right?  SammyWinstonJack   Jul-20-09 01:11 PM   #38 
  - Yes. Precisely. Your views depend on where you stand on the 4 rungs of the economic ladder.  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 04:47 PM   #151 
  - Well! and suscinctly put!  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:48 PM   #197 
  - So, county worker, are your wages/salary paid by Taxes? nt  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:23 PM   #189 
  - Apparently, your definition of socialism is "Everything is done in one way and one way only for  patrice   Jul-20-09 08:27 PM   #190 
  - Perhaps you should ask the Russians and Chinese. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 12:49 PM   #20 
  - That's communism.  LuckyTheDog   Jul-20-09 12:55 PM   #22 
  - No, that's socialism. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 12:59 PM   #26 
  - Wrong  LuckyTheDog   Jul-20-09 01:11 PM   #39 
  - OP "what's so bad about socialism?" You might visit links at wiki's "Socialism" & "Communism" to  jody   Jul-20-09 01:33 PM   #55 
  - Only as much as Islam = the Taliban, or Christianity = the Inquisition  LeftishBrit   Jul-20-09 01:15 PM   #42 
     - There are significant differences between competing economic systems that deal with the natural  jody   Jul-20-09 01:40 PM   #62 
        - I see lots of differences between the natural and supernatural  LeftishBrit   Jul-20-09 03:03 PM   #107 
           - Reply to one theme in your post, when a central committee determines what goods and services  jody   Jul-20-09 03:15 PM   #118 
              - 'Socialism' in democratic countries does not mean that...  LeftishBrit   Jul-20-09 04:27 PM   #147 
                 - What definition of socialism are you using? See #145. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 04:32 PM   #149 
  - Union of Soviet "Socialist" Republics.  Thothmes   Jul-20-09 06:45 PM   #168 
     - Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 11:50 PM   #221 
        - They also had socialized health care, old age insurance  Thothmes   Jul-21-09 07:15 PM   #246 
  - The OP explicitly referenced the Scandinavian Democratic Socialist version  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 01:37 PM   #58 
  - But Norway and Scandinavia also have Captialism  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 02:10 PM   #81 
  - Where does the OP demand this so called 'pure' socialism?  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 02:46 PM   #97 
     - Title?  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 03:03 PM   #109 
        - There is no such reference to this pure socialism you demand.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 03:08 PM   #113 
           - Title References Socialism period.  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 03:24 PM   #123 
              - Correct.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 04:13 PM   #140 
  - OP subject re socialism in general and used two special cases. It's laughable to think that Sweden  jody   Jul-20-09 02:28 PM   #91 
     - it is only laughable if you need to dismiss all of the many good  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 02:48 PM   #99 
        - OP asked "what's so bad about socialism?" You have retreated to trying to find special cases where  jody   Jul-20-09 02:54 PM   #103 
           - OP explicitly pointed to the European social democracies.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 03:01 PM   #105 
              - Sorry, OP subject an unlimited question "what's so bad about socialism?"  jody   Jul-20-09 03:08 PM   #112 
                 - No that is not what the OP did.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 03:09 PM   #114 
                    - ROFL, "strawman" when the OP author posed the question, not me and chose to place "?" not I. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 03:17 PM   #119 
                       - OP explicitly pointed to the European social democracies.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 04:08 PM   #138 
                          - OP asked "what's so bad about socialism?" What Russia/China tried and failed at is the answer. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 04:13 PM   #141 
  - Neither of those nations were Communist (or Socialist) except in name.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:22 PM   #88 
  - Why? OP asked "what's so bad about socialism?" and clearly Russia/China have the most extensive  jody   Jul-20-09 02:30 PM   #92 
     - Again, they were/are both totalitarian police states that merely called themselves Communist  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:51 PM   #101 
        - Again, OP asked "what's so bad about socialism?" Whether socialism is imposed by a benevolent or  jody   Jul-20-09 03:00 PM   #104 
        - China is a totalitarian capitalist state.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 03:06 PM   #110 
        - Please cite specific examples where China dictates what products will be produced for sale in the US  jody   Jul-20-09 03:22 PM   #121 
           - please misread everything I write and create arguments based on your misreading  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 04:07 PM   #137 
              - China under Mao was a socialist state copying Russia. Both experiments with socialism failed and  jody   Jul-20-09 04:15 PM   #143 
        - Socialism, or Communism for that matter, has nothing to do with dictatorships, that's the point.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 03:12 PM   #115 
           - Are you contending that in the 20th century Russia/China did not own the means of production  jody   Jul-20-09 03:25 PM   #125 
              - So the answer is purposely obtuse.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 03:31 PM   #127 
              - Have a blissful day.  jody   Jul-20-09 03:33 PM   #129 
              - No, he's contending that that isn't socialism OR communism.  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 05:23 PM   #156 
                 - Perhaps you should readmoreoften and try to understand what you read. A place to start is  jody   Jul-20-09 05:42 PM   #163 
                 - Could this be what passes for intellectualism in Alabama?  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 06:50 PM   #170 
                    - LOL, obviously you have already incurred irreversible damage. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 06:58 PM   #173 
        - I agree with you  newspeak   Jul-21-09 11:22 AM   #235 
           - Most of the people I've ever met from elsewhere have been far more sane than nearly all  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 02:05 PM   #243 
  - Try reading a book  KingFlorez   Jul-20-09 03:03 PM   #108 
  - Please list the difference between socialism & communism regarding ownership of means of production  jody   Jul-20-09 03:29 PM   #126 
     - Socialism doesn't go anywhere as far as Communism does  KingFlorez   Jul-20-09 04:14 PM   #142 
        - What definition of the end state of a nation's economy under socialism are you using?  jody   Jul-20-09 04:25 PM   #145 
           - That's how most countries with Socialist systems in Europe operate  KingFlorez   Jul-20-09 08:47 PM   #196 
              - There can be no "truth" as long as socialism is not defined. The posts in this thread suggest few  jody   Jul-20-09 08:56 PM   #198 
              - Dupe deleted. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 08:57 PM   #199 
  - Stalinism was reactionary state capitalism and had zero to do with the Bolshevik revolution  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 05:13 PM   #155 
  - The Republicans say that American Democrats are Socialists.  Ian David   Jul-20-09 01:01 PM   #28 
  - Always wondered if the much smaller populations of those countries had something to do the success.  timeforpeace   Jul-20-09 01:02 PM   #29 
  - Don't discard their homogeneous population and common heritage. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 01:10 PM   #37 
  - Shouldn't build on another model.  proteus_lives   Jul-20-09 01:04 PM   #30 
  - sweden & norway are capitalist.  Hannah Bell   Jul-20-09 01:33 PM   #56 
     - Capitalism, Socialism, Communism aren't absolute  IDFbunny   Jul-20-09 02:12 PM   #85 
  - Socialism not = Command Economy, Socialism = safety net  philly_bob   Jul-20-09 01:05 PM   #32 
  - not = = =/=  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:30 PM   #219 
  - it works poorly  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:07 PM   #33 
  - Perhaps it's not a one-or-the-other thing like most of its opponents suggest, then (nt)  Posteritatis   Jul-20-09 01:10 PM   #35 
  - no. it's a continuum  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:14 PM   #41 
     - Most of its opponents I've seen tend to be one-percenters like that  Posteritatis   Jul-20-09 01:30 PM   #53 
        - people on both sides of the aisle do that  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:37 PM   #59 
  - "crushes entrepreneurial spirit and disempowers people"  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:22 PM   #49 
  - well there's a cogent argument  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:25 PM   #51 
     - And your assertions are a joke. Give us a few examples of Socialism CRUSHING the entreprenurial...  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:28 PM   #52 
        - well let's see  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:35 PM   #57 
           - We're talking SOCIALISM (Sweden/Western Europe) not COMMUNISM - Jesus! What an idiot!  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:46 PM   #63 
           - do you study terminology  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:50 PM   #64 
              - The OP is referring to SOCIALISM that is known in Skandinavia and Canada - and you twisted it around  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:53 PM   #66 
                 - because it's not socialism  paulsby   Jul-20-09 01:54 PM   #67 
                    - So what you're saying is that communism and socialism are the same thing?  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:58 PM   #71 
                       - no,i'm saying terminology matters  paulsby   Jul-20-09 02:00 PM   #76 
                       - How does SOCIALISM crush the "entrepreneurial spirit"???  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 02:02 PM   #79 
                          - Socialism - People collectively own the means of production  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 02:22 PM   #89 
                             - But that isn't necessarily 100% of the ownership and control. Collectives are not the sole  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:03 PM   #213 
                                - Websters disagrees  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-21-09 06:43 AM   #227 
                       - You're confusing socialism with social democratic reform parties and states.  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 04:57 PM   #153 
                          - Thanks for the info.  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 09:44 PM   #203 
                          - good response  paulsby   Jul-20-09 11:22 PM   #217 
           - Hey, the USSR gave us the world's largest transistor...  Flaneur   Jul-20-09 03:24 PM   #124 
              - And they decriminalized homosexuality and abortion in 1920. 83 and 53 years before the US,  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 05:27 PM   #158 
  - Remind me again why we love "entrepreneurial spirit" -  TBF   Jul-20-09 01:37 PM   #60 
  - He's not going to answer. He'll just related it with Joseph Stalin or some shit.  devilgrrl   Jul-20-09 01:55 PM   #68 
  - Ah - no true socialism - of course.  endarkenment   Jul-20-09 01:39 PM   #61 
  - Have you ever read "The Wealth of Nations"?  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:27 PM   #90 
  - Wealth of Nations: And in which Labor is a REAL value and money isn't nt  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:38 PM   #208 
     - That's another very large and important factor of the theory.  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 01:10 PM   #239 
  - Un-regulated Capitalism also crushes entrepreneurial spirit and disempowers people by means of  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:04 PM   #204 
  - Nothing if used wisely.  Rex   Jul-20-09 01:08 PM   #34 
  - You don't have to be Einstein to know that Socialism is the best way...  NAO   Jul-20-09 01:12 PM   #40 
  - Einstein supported development and use of the atomic bomb. Could he have right or wrong  jody   Jul-20-09 02:37 PM   #93 
     - He did in 1939 in reaction to his fear that the Nazis were working on their own, however  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 04:20 PM   #144 
        - Einstein supported use of the bomb before he opposed it. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 04:27 PM   #146 
  - Nothing.  LeftishBrit   Jul-20-09 01:17 PM   #44 
  - Nothing. nt  LWolf   Jul-20-09 01:20 PM   #47 
  - It goes against the prime directive: "inequality for all"  harun   Jul-20-09 01:20 PM   #48 
  - It goes against the corporate fascism that conservatives want  Ardent15   Jul-20-09 01:56 PM   #70 
  - We pay nearly as much in taxes as they do, when you combine state, local, and federal taxes,  DailyGrind51   Jul-20-09 01:59 PM   #74 
  - In it's pure form?  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 01:59 PM   #75 
  - I say socialism for health care, education, and energy...  KansDem   Jul-20-09 02:01 PM   #77 
  - Exactly. How about we just use it as directed in the Preamble of The Constitution?  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:38 PM   #95 
  - Neither Sweden nor Norway are socialist.  blindpig   Jul-20-09 02:01 PM   #78 
  - In Democracies, Isn't Socialism Inevitable?  Yavin4   Jul-20-09 02:10 PM   #83 
  - First they came for the capitalism...and I gladly handed it over!  leftstreet   Jul-20-09 02:17 PM   #87 
  - What Is There Left To Steal?  Yavin4   Jul-20-09 02:51 PM   #102 
  - Probably an Oscillator  One_Life_To_Give   Jul-20-09 03:07 PM   #111 
  - democracies devolve into fascism  datasuspect   Jul-21-09 08:43 AM   #232 
  - There are better ways than Socialism....  chaska   Jul-20-09 02:15 PM   #86 
  - I believe we are at an evolutionary crossroads re this matter of false dichotomies and  patrice   Jul-20-09 11:13 PM   #214 
  - It's the only way to survive in the future?  RedCloud   Jul-20-09 02:47 PM   #98 
  - No incentive to work.  Zavulon   Jul-20-09 03:15 PM   #117 
  - Come on it can't be that simple, can it? IMO yes. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 03:32 PM   #128 
  - Because You'd Do Work That You Enjoy?  Yavin4   Jul-20-09 03:34 PM   #130 
  - That's be a dream society. I could have any job I wanted?  Zavulon   Jul-20-09 03:45 PM   #132 
  - There Are Garbage Collectors and Proctologists In Scandinavia?  Yavin4   Jul-20-09 03:54 PM   #133 
     - Impossible! No incentive if room and board and health are covered! None I can think of!  readmoreoften   Jul-20-09 05:37 PM   #160 
  - Where "people could do work that they'd enjoy?" I meet many every day who enjoy doing nothing. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 04:29 PM   #148 
  - J.K. Rowling is the product of a "socialist" system and England's willingness  DailyGrind51   Jul-20-09 06:05 PM   #165 
     - Karl Marx lived more than half his life in England and is also a product of England's system. n/t  jody   Jul-20-09 07:04 PM   #176 
        - And, that is related to J.K. Rowling, how? (other than the country of residence)  DailyGrind51   Jul-21-09 08:35 AM   #231 
           - See "130. Because You'd Do Work That You Enjoy?" n/t  jody   Jul-21-09 12:24 PM   #237 
  - Really? And yet people in Scandinavia have jobs.  Raineyb   Jul-20-09 04:06 PM   #136 
  - And  AndyfromNC   Jul-20-09 05:00 PM   #154 
     - $80,000 is a bit unrealistic.  LAGC   Jul-20-09 08:32 PM   #193 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-20-09 05:31 PM   #159 
  - Apparently you wouldn't, but then again, you thankfully are not representative  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 06:59 PM   #174 
  - Because it still costs money for things you enjoy doing.  LAGC   Jul-20-09 08:31 PM   #191 
  - I work in a nursing home where there is no incentive for the residents to work and, guess what?  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:09 PM   #205 
  - To buy other stuff.  chrisa   Jul-21-09 07:27 PM   #248 
  - Not a thing, especially for the necessities of life. nt  tbyg52   Jul-20-09 04:36 PM   #150 
  - But but what about the insanely rich  Chisox08   Jul-20-09 04:56 PM   #152 
  - Socialism beats the hell out of capitalism.  armyowalgreens   Jul-20-09 06:41 PM   #167 
  - As predicted in this reply, all of the "soshulism is bad" replies invariably  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 06:54 PM   #171 
  - Which examples...  gorfle   Jul-20-09 07:28 PM   #184 
     - How many would you like? How far back do you want to go?  Greyhound   Jul-21-09 03:19 PM   #245 
  - Sweden and Norway are not socialist. They're capitalist social democracies.  anigbrowl   Jul-20-09 07:06 PM   #179 
  - Swedes and Norwegians aren't socialist  Rosa Luxemburg   Jul-20-09 07:08 PM   #180 
  - For the people in this thread who think Socialism will make people lazy, your assumptions are based  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:28 PM   #207 
  - There seems to be a lot of confusion about what socialism is  killbotfactory   Jul-20-09 10:52 PM   #210 
  - Do check out The Wealth of Nations for one perspective on that question.  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:58 PM   #212 
  - I think that there is no  AndyfromNC   Jul-21-09 08:28 AM   #230 
  - All of the arguments against Socialism in this thread are based on the assumption that money has  patrice   Jul-20-09 10:54 PM   #211 
  - Interstate Freeway System. Socialist. US economy would collapse without it. Overnight.  troubledamerican   Jul-21-09 01:25 AM   #222 
  - Socialized health care for Congress, the military. Yawn. Shocking.  troubledamerican   Jul-21-09 01:26 AM   #223 
  - Military is socialist. Fire department. Police. Municipal water. Got cholera?  troubledamerican   Jul-21-09 01:27 AM   #224 
  - Socialism is already here. Emphasize the examples above. Stop utopianizing.  troubledamerican   Jul-21-09 01:28 AM   #225 
  - Some things belong in the public sphere. Other things don't.  eridani   Jul-21-09 03:20 AM   #226 
  - Why use experience and facts against fantasy? n/t  jody   Jul-21-09 12:27 PM   #238 
  - The answer is yes  mogster   Jul-21-09 08:19 AM   #229 
  - It doesn't exist  Nederland   Jul-21-09 01:48 PM   #242 
  - Both in their purest forms.  chrisa   Jul-21-09 07:33 PM   #249 
  - Socialism is fine.  chrisa   Jul-21-09 07:22 PM   #247 
 

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