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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-20-09 11:45 AM
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25. You're right.
Knocking down religion would probably do more to decrease social problems in the US than almost anything else we could do.

Journal of Religion and Society
Volume 7 2005
ISSN: 1522-5658

Cross-National Correlations of Quantifiable Societal Health with Popular Religiosity and Secularism in the Prosperous Democracies: A First Look

Gregory S. Paul


<20> The United States deep social problems are all the more disturbing because the nation enjoys exceptional per capita wealth among the major western nations (Barro and McCleary; Kasman; PEW; UN Development Programme, 2000, 2004). Spending on health care is much higher as a portion of the GDP and per capita, by a factor of a third to two or more, than in any other developed democracy (UN Development Programme, 2000, 2004). The U.S. is therefore the least efficient western nation in terms of converting wealth into cultural and physical health. Understanding the reasons for this failure is urgent, and doing so requires considering the degree to which cause versus effect is responsible for the observed correlations between social conditions and religiosity versus secularism. It is therefore hoped that this initial look at a subject of pressing importance will inspire more extensive research on the subject. Pressing questions include the reasons, whether theistic or non-theistic, that the exceptionally wealthy U.S. is so inefficient that it is experiencing a much higher degree of societal distress than are less religious, less wealthy prosperous democracies. Conversely, how do the latter achieve superior societal health while having little in the way of the religious values or institutions? There is evidence that within the U.S. strong disparities in religious belief versus acceptance of evolution are correlated with similarly varying rates of societal dysfunction, the strongly theistic, anti-evolution south and mid-west having markedly worse homicide, mortality, STD, youth pregnancy, marital and related problems than the northeast where societal conditions, secularization, and acceptance of evolution approach European norms (Aral and Holmes; Beeghley, Doyle, 2002). It is the responsibility of the research community to address controversial issues and provide the information that the citizens of democracies need to chart their future courses.

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  -"There's probably no God" snappy comeback wtmusic  Jul-20-09 10:21 AM   #0 
  - People champion different causes.  crim son   Jul-20-09 10:23 AM   #1 
  - And how many children's lives could be greatly improved if we didn't waste $millions fighting  sinkingfeeling   Jul-20-09 10:23 AM   #2 
  - Well I'm on the side of the humanists.  sui generis   Jul-20-09 10:25 AM   #3 
  - And your point is?  Christa   Jul-20-09 10:25 AM   #4 
  - Not against it but wouldn't donate  wtmusic   Jul-20-09 10:35 AM   #10 
  - "but I wonder how many childrens' lives would have been saved"  Oregone   Jul-20-09 10:26 AM   #5 
  - If God was everywhere we wouldn't need to look for Her  Cronus Protagonist   Jul-20-09 10:31 AM   #6 
  - Logic was never religion's strong suit  wtmusic   Jul-20-09 10:39 AM   #13 
  - Apparently, the religious have a different definition of "snappy"...nt  SidDithers   Jul-20-09 10:32 AM   #7 
  - LOL  Lex   Jul-20-09 10:33 AM   #8 
  - Heheheh  redqueen   Jul-20-09 10:34 AM   #9 
  - I love the irony of the second sticker  shadowknows69   Jul-20-09 10:35 AM   #11 
  - After buying the DVDs and books first, of course.  Sal Minella   Jul-20-09 10:58 AM   #17 
  - How much money is used to build churches?  redqueen   Jul-20-09 10:35 AM   #12 
  - I was really squishy, still, when I was 13. My dad got transferred to  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-20-09 11:23 AM   #22 
  - Yep there's nothing more productive then knocking down religion  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 10:41 AM   #14 
  - You're absolutely right. And we have to keep knocking,  mr blur   Jul-20-09 11:36 AM   #23 
  - Yep. Nothing is more endearing then pissing on people's beliefs.  el_bryanto   Jul-20-09 11:39 AM   #24 
  - We gotta put that hellfire out somehow.  Touchdown   Jul-20-09 11:05 PM   #56 
  - And all other fantasies too...  LanternWaste   Jul-20-09 02:46 PM   #39 
  - You're right.  kristopher   Jul-20-09 11:45 AM   #25 
  - At one point in my life I would have agreed with you  SteelPenguin   Jul-20-09 02:54 PM   #40 
     - Also, those buses didn't have to accept Christ to get the posters...  Touchdown   Jul-20-09 11:12 PM   #57 
     - not all work helping those in extreme poverty has a relgious bent  SteelPenguin   Jul-21-09 08:06 AM   #59 
     - .  wtmusic   Jul-21-09 07:43 AM   #58 
  - How much could be done for children's lives  Goblinmonger   Jul-20-09 10:44 AM   #15 
  - That's a one-sided question.  Deep13   Jul-20-09 10:53 AM   #16 
  - In no possible way is that even a comeback it is just simplistic opposition.  slampoet   Jul-20-09 11:04 AM   #18 
  - No it isn't.  Greyhound   Jul-20-09 02:00 PM   #30 
     - DUzy all star grand slam response  grantcart   Jul-20-09 02:11 PM   #36 
  - The religionists don't see any dichotomy in saying  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-20-09 11:16 AM   #19 
  - A United Church of Canada minister's retort when this ad was an issue in Ottawa...  BolivarianHero   Jul-20-09 11:18 AM   #20 
  - That's about as snappy as a Dane Cook joke  PVnRT   Jul-20-09 11:19 AM   #21 
  - If by "snappy" they mean "uninspired, unimaginative, and predictable" then Yeah.  TexasObserver   Jul-20-09 12:53 PM   #27 
  - +1  slampoet   Jul-20-09 01:45 PM   #28 
  - I think you mean,  Occam Bandage   Jul-20-09 02:11 PM   #37 
  - If all of the God promoters would look for God in PEOPLE the world would be a much better place.  yellowcanine   Jul-20-09 12:34 PM   #26 
  - In both cases, the God/no God, referred to doesn't give a rip.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-20-09 01:53 PM   #29 
  - There probably is a God.  Rex   Jul-20-09 02:01 PM   #31 
  - DUzy nomination!  anigbrowl   Jul-20-09 03:19 PM   #42 
  - THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! Children grow up, become Republicans, and go on years long breeding binges.  chaska   Jul-20-09 02:06 PM   #32 
  - By "snappy" do you mean "doesn't make sense?  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jul-20-09 02:07 PM   #33 
  - Why do folks put "just saying" after saying or typing something?  Obamanaut   Jul-20-09 02:07 PM   #34 
  - It is emphasis  wtmusic   Jul-20-09 03:27 PM   #43 
     - Or, it is just rambling by the author and he, or she, wants to make  Obamanaut   Jul-20-09 05:10 PM   #47 
        - I get it...kind of like saying "Sorry" in a post  wtmusic   Jul-20-09 07:36 PM   #53 
           - Exactly right! It's a non-apology, as in "I'm sorry you took offense  Obamanaut   Jul-20-09 11:01 PM   #55 
  - That's not really "snappy." Far, far too long.  Occam Bandage   Jul-20-09 02:10 PM   #35 
  - Why would I need to look for him if he's everywhere, can't I just turn to the left and say hi.  Stevenmarc   Jul-20-09 02:12 PM   #38 
  - Do you really want God in your bathroom?  RedCloud   Jul-20-09 02:59 PM   #41 
  - Actually  wtmusic   Jul-20-09 03:32 PM   #44 
  - Ah' yes. The creator of gravity, DNA helix, nuclear fusion, hydrogen...  Touchdown   Jul-20-09 03:53 PM   #45 
  - Just think if the churches paid taxes!  JNelson6563   Jul-20-09 04:21 PM   #46 
  - so hunger relief is the only valid place for people to spend money?  dysfunctional press   Jul-20-09 05:13 PM   #48 
  - hmm, let's see...  wtmusic   Jul-20-09 07:32 PM   #51 
     - the problem with that 'logic' (or lack thereof) is that it's ignorant.  dysfunctional press   Jul-20-09 07:47 PM   #54 
  - If he's "everywhere" why do we have to look for him?  sutz12   Jul-20-09 05:23 PM   #49 
  - bullshit. god, if a god existed, would not be male  RainDog   Jul-20-09 05:28 PM   #50 
     - I'm down with that.  wtmusic   Jul-20-09 07:33 PM   #52 

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