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Sat Jul-18-09 01:40 PM
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| 30. Not to mention the small local organic farms that can't afford the organic certification. |
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The system is set up for profit. Period. Not profit and good food. Not profit and good living. Not profit and creativity. Not profit and innovation. Profit at all costs. ALL costs.
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| -Just a reminder about things like organic foods. |
Tim01 |
Jul-18-09 12:39 PM |
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So how is your organic farm going? |
itsrobert |
Jul-18-09 12:42 PM |
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I raise enough beef and chicken for my family. That's it. |
Tim01 |
Jul-18-09 12:46 PM |
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Good thing you don't live in Brooklyn or Oakland or Chicago... |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 12:59 PM |
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I lived in D.C. Descent food is available. But it does take effort. |
Tim01 |
Jul-18-09 01:20 PM |
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Effort is measured in time. What else do you do with your time? Do you politically organize? |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 01:38 PM |
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Did Tim say he was better than anyone else? .... |
truth2power |
Jul-18-09 05:29 PM |
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really...what a bunch of judgmental aholes, eh? |
Gabi Hayes |
Jul-18-09 05:44 PM |
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"Way too much free-floating crankiness." Amen and Hallelujah, truth2power. |
bertman |
Jul-19-09 12:48 AM |
#121 |
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Urban farms are growing everywhere |
conscious evolution |
Jul-18-09 01:50 PM |
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Atlanta wasn't on that list. And the working class shouldn't have to be peasants too. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 01:56 PM |
#46 |
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organize against major corporations |
conscious evolution |
Jul-18-09 06:26 PM |
#107 |
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Great! The Universialist Church in |
Cha |
Jul-18-09 02:23 PM |
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Some of us don't have the $$ to make the choice |
varelse |
Jul-18-09 12:43 PM |
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Organics are a croc anyhow |
itsrobert |
Jul-18-09 12:48 PM |
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Organically grown fruits and vegetables are yummy :) |
varelse |
Jul-18-09 01:05 PM |
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That's not true of all organics if you know what you're doing. |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 01:06 PM |
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My neighborhood earns earn $9K per capita and work 70 hours a day. Explain |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 01:43 PM |
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I'm not but... |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 01:49 PM |
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It's illegal to use the "organic" label if the product doesn't meet the |
Liquorice |
Jul-18-09 02:31 PM |
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Unfortunately, corporate ag |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 02:39 PM |
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What a shame! I buy locally when I can. nt |
Liquorice |
Jul-18-09 02:51 PM |
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Do you have a link to the laws and penalties concerning using the "organic" label? |
NNN0LHI |
Jul-18-09 07:21 PM |
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That is why I am getting veggies from a local CSA organic farmer |
csziggy |
Jul-18-09 02:39 PM |
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listen, wise guy, do you know ANYthing about CSA? |
Gabi Hayes |
Jul-18-09 05:45 PM |
#102 |
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+100 n/t |
lildreamer316 |
Jul-18-09 07:15 PM |
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It isn't like most of the organic food isn't corporate owned. You just help em profit more |
Oregone |
Jul-18-09 12:46 PM |
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Yup, "organic" at the stores is just marketing |
itsrobert |
Jul-18-09 12:53 PM |
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Yep. Mostly owned by massive food processors. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 12:55 PM |
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Even "Tom's of Maine" is now owned by Colgate... |
KansDem |
Jul-18-09 12:53 PM |
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I know. We don't use that tooth paste anymore so I don't care |
Oregone |
Jul-18-09 12:55 PM |
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Sure local is better. But you have to give people a fighting chance. |
Tim01 |
Jul-18-09 12:56 PM |
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Farmers Market's are almost everywhere |
Oregone |
Jul-18-09 01:15 PM |
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Good Point |
Kalun D |
Jul-18-09 01:02 PM |
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and what effects has your tinfoil hat caused? |
harmonicon |
Jul-18-09 05:48 PM |
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Nutrition 101 |
Kalun D |
Jul-18-09 09:48 PM |
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I'll keep my pasteurized juice and milk, thank you very much |
harmonicon |
Jul-18-09 09:55 PM |
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The Cancer Train |
Kalun D |
Jul-18-09 11:09 PM |
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choo-choo - all aboard!! |
harmonicon |
Jul-19-09 12:42 AM |
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I would vouch for Odwalla. They had the FDA out after them after |
truedelphi |
Jul-18-09 05:52 PM |
#104 |
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Botulism? |
Kalun D |
Jul-18-09 09:37 PM |
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Agree with you there. Sadly we have become a society in which one in a million |
truedelphi |
Jul-19-09 04:11 PM |
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Do you remember what happened with Odwalla and the E Coli problem? |
mamaleah |
Jul-19-09 01:32 AM |
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If you show the whole chart |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 01:08 PM |
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Knowledge |
Kalun D |
Jul-18-09 09:52 PM |
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Yes, I think of that when I spend my $$$ on most anything. |
Lex |
Jul-18-09 12:50 PM |
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That's the way to go |
itsrobert |
Jul-18-09 12:54 PM |
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I have the money to buy organic, so I do |
XanaDUer |
Jul-18-09 12:53 PM |
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And that is the point the OP is trying to make. |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 01:55 PM |
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And shift the blame on the working class. To hell with consumer politics. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 12:53 PM |
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+1 |
Oregone |
Jul-18-09 12:54 PM |
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Well said! |
varelse |
Jul-18-09 01:13 PM |
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What's worse is that this type of thinking leads to some really dark stuff. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 01:27 PM |
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How often have you heard statements like |
varelse |
Jul-18-09 02:18 PM |
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The point is, if people who can afford good organics make a point |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-18-09 01:50 PM |
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Yeah but it hasn't worked that way. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 02:12 PM |
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The ONLY solution to the problem of state-sanctioned industrial power is |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-18-09 02:47 PM |
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Because its an individualist solution that privileges the ruling classes that are |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 04:21 PM |
#88 |
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Again, you are projecting. |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 03:22 PM |
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Telling people they're failing to consume properly is absolutely scolding. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 04:56 PM |
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Well, the person you responded to is scolding |
Lorien |
Jul-18-09 08:36 PM |
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I'm certainly not going to "vote" for food that's 3x as expensive. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-18-09 01:03 PM |
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The cost of the mainstream food in the grocery |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 01:13 PM |
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Bourgeois criticism of people who can't afford a 3x increase in their food prices, noted. |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-18-09 01:17 PM |
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That was not bourgeois. |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 01:42 PM |
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"you totally disregarded the point..." - Of course I did - you disregarded it yourself... |
BlooInBloo |
Jul-18-09 01:51 PM |
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How in the world did I |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 01:53 PM |
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Try figuring in the medical costs for those who each cheap crap |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-18-09 01:53 PM |
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Glad you have a good job. Good for you. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 02:02 PM |
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Don't give me that bullshit. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-18-09 02:34 PM |
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Ooh, we can talk about class now? That's usually forbidden. |
Flaneur |
Jul-18-09 02:17 PM |
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"Progressives" who think working class people are their own problem because |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 02:43 PM |
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I just went back and read the OP. I don't see any condescension. |
Flaneur |
Jul-18-09 02:59 PM |
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Oh, the poor upper-middle classes who drive Volvos! Who will stand for them? |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 04:45 PM |
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The "Organic" label in this country is a total fucking hoax and cruel joke. |
Stinky The Clown |
Jul-18-09 01:31 PM |
#28 |
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Not to mention the small local organic farms that can't afford the organic certification. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 01:40 PM |
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We buy local from our coop. |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 01:46 PM |
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I can't afford co-op food. And neither can my neighbor with 2 teenage boys. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 02:01 PM |
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For the last time, I repeat... |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 02:08 PM |
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You're lucky you live in a good area. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 02:38 PM |
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I hate to tell you this but |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 02:43 PM |
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Yes everything is a political issue but that doesn't mean every act is a political act. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 02:58 PM |
#69 |
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The "lifestyle" one chooses can be and |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 03:08 PM |
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If you're fighting the USDA, then it is a political act. I wasn't really directing my comments to |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 03:58 PM |
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There is nothing ambivalent about it at all. |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 04:13 PM |
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As much as I disagree with you on just about everything |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-18-09 01:41 PM |
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Ok, I get it. You can't do anything. You just can't. And it doesn't matter anyway. |
Tim01 |
Jul-18-09 01:43 PM |
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How about you spend some of that cooking and gardening time politically organizing |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 01:45 PM |
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Political consumerism? |
Orwellian_Ghost |
Jul-18-09 01:44 PM |
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Seriously. The next person who tells me I should buy organic better be organizing to take down |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 01:50 PM |
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What is your problem with having a garden? |
Flaneur |
Jul-18-09 02:08 PM |
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Because people in NYC don't have 250 square feet. And people in Texas all lost their gardens |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 02:20 PM |
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People in NYC have access to lots of CSAs |
Flaneur |
Jul-18-09 02:51 PM |
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Hey and you're not too busy pounding away at the keyboard ridiculing political organizers |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 03:22 PM |
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Just because you work on the issues |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 03:19 PM |
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I'm not "damning" anyone for working at a CSA or buying organic. But I am for blaming others who |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 03:39 PM |
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But no one here ever once |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 03:46 PM |
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The OP is, in fact, scolding people for not eating better and blaming the consumer. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 04:08 PM |
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There's no good reason I can even begin to think of |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 04:23 PM |
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I can give you an example why I drank a can of soda recently. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 04:53 PM |
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And if you want to talk about the issue of food security |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 03:34 PM |
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We do have an organic garden and raise our own |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 02:14 PM |
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I don't understand the sneering rejoinders to the OP. |
Flaneur |
Jul-18-09 02:03 PM |
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Reason #whatever that I'm vegan. |
flvegan |
Jul-18-09 02:12 PM |
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Vegetarian here. Not worried about buying organic meats. |
RebelOne |
Jul-18-09 02:58 PM |
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Thank you!!! And becoming more and more plant-based is good for the planet! |
only_one_sky |
Jul-18-09 03:09 PM |
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This person was TS'd |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 04:04 PM |
#83 |
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I'm guessing that it was a new account set up by someone who already has an account... |
harmonicon |
Jul-18-09 05:53 PM |
#105 |
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Their Profile is Current...no Granite Pizza there...you must be mistaken... |
KoKo |
Jul-18-09 08:29 PM |
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Look again. |
flvegan |
Jul-18-09 08:38 PM |
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In the big picture, I'm not sure if there's much room for change. |
Silent3 |
Jul-18-09 03:27 PM |
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Natural=GOOD! Artificial=BAD! |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 03:54 PM |
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Look at the increase in human lifespan over the past 100 years. |
Silent3 |
Jul-18-09 04:32 PM |
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I think the life span is now on the |
hippywife |
Jul-18-09 04:39 PM |
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As the saying goes, "the plural of anecdote is not data". |
Silent3 |
Jul-18-09 04:50 PM |
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Agree |
Kalun D |
Jul-18-09 10:11 PM |
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Since the Supreme Court has given money the status of speech... |
Orsino |
Jul-18-09 04:07 PM |
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You are right. Thx for the reminder. Altho most people can't afford organic. |
Honeycombe8 |
Jul-18-09 04:09 PM |
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to each according to his/her ability |
JitterbugPerfume |
Jul-18-09 04:34 PM |
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A voice of reason! Thank you. It's simple...We should all do what we CAN do.. |
truth2power |
Jul-18-09 05:58 PM |
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So, you're telling poor people not only to ...what, spend the rent money on expensive food, |
bobbolink |
Jul-18-09 04:49 PM |
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I'll let you take it from here. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-18-09 04:57 PM |
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Too bad you didn't "waste" time actually considering the real ability of people with less $$$$ |
bobbolink |
Jul-18-09 05:02 PM |
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Here's the problem with so-called "organic" foods |
MajorChode |
Jul-18-09 07:12 PM |
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Political action is important, but so is personal action. Those of us who can afford to buy |
bertman |
Jul-19-09 12:58 AM |
#122 |
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