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17. And that is why more rational societies invented single-payer. nt
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  -OBAMA: "No longer will you be without health insurance, even if you lose your job or change jobs" kpete  Jul-18-09 08:37 AM   #0 
  - Is the idea that someone who gets insurance through his job and gets fired...  Eric J in MN   Jul-18-09 08:42 AM   #1 
  - You guys need to pay more attention  Hutzpa   Jul-18-09 08:53 AM   #4 
  - So the private insurance company would be obligated to sell you their insurance after you got fired  Eric J in MN   Jul-18-09 09:01 AM   #8 
  - Yes, and under the new bill, if you lose your job and collecting unemployment, you get subsidized.  backscatter712   Jul-18-09 09:09 AM   #11 
  - Insurance. Health insurance would be more affordable.  enlightenment   Jul-18-09 09:44 AM   #19 
  - No INSURANCE might be more affordable  ibegurpard   Jul-18-09 10:58 AM   #36 
  - You get the government option  Hutzpa   Jul-18-09 09:09 AM   #12 
     - I've already picked my old plan for COBRA...  cascadiance   Jul-18-09 09:51 AM   #20 
  - No. Hold on.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 10:35 AM   #31 
  - I'm liking this--it sounds like it will allow me to get out of my miserable marriage.  blondeatlast   Jul-18-09 11:09 AM   #44 
     - The biggest problem with the bill is the fact that it doesnt take effect until 2013. n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 11:16 AM   #45 
        - Ouch. I'll keep my head up and hope the job prospects improve.  blondeatlast   Jul-18-09 12:52 PM   #64 
  - You could stop the public plan and go to new employer's plan, if you want.  Honeycombe8   Jul-18-09 11:32 AM   #54 
  - When you get rehired, you have the option of taking the new job's plan  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 10:25 AM   #24 
     - If the public option were properly done it shouldn't cost anything, and would ALWAYS be cheaper!  cascadiance   Jul-18-09 10:32 AM   #30 
        - Excluding pre existing conditions is outlawed by this bill.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 10:43 AM   #34 
           - Rates can vary by age, area and family enrollment  SpartanDem   Jul-18-09 11:32 AM   #52 
           - Thanks for doing the heavy lifting.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 12:35 PM   #60 
           - Can they still charge deductibles or only cover a percentage of some hospital procedures...  cascadiance   Jul-18-09 12:09 PM   #57 
              - In the lower tier plans, there are still co-pays.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 12:39 PM   #62 
              - Yes - only now out-of-pocket with be called "cost sharing"  dflprincess   Jul-18-09 10:22 PM   #67 
  - "...just as long as you make your mandated premium payments...."  Coyote_Bandit   Jul-18-09 08:45 AM   #2 
  - Yup  Hydra   Jul-18-09 09:31 AM   #16 
  - did he actually say that?  WI_DEM   Jul-18-09 10:31 AM   #27 
  - nice in theory  Bill McBlueState   Jul-18-09 08:48 AM   #3 
  - You keep your health plan if you lose your job n/t  Hutzpa   Jul-18-09 08:56 AM   #5 
  - HELLO! If I'm sick I want health CARE not fucking health insurance.  KittyWampus   Jul-18-09 08:59 AM   #6 
  - +1  SammyWinstonJack   Jul-18-09 09:00 AM   #7 
  - What?  Curtland1015   Jul-18-09 09:02 AM   #9 
  - Health care means that you will be appropriately treated for whatever ails you..  Fumesucker   Jul-18-09 09:07 AM   #10 
  - You get health care from medical professionals - what you also need is a way for someone to pay  stray cat   Jul-18-09 09:18 AM   #13 
  - And that is why more rational societies invented single-payer. nt  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-18-09 09:39 AM   #17 
     - No doubt...  nebenaube   Jul-18-09 10:26 AM   #25 
        - +1  dflprincess   Jul-18-09 10:24 PM   #68 
  - +1....exactly. n/t  Hepburn   Jul-18-09 09:24 AM   #15 
  - Amen! We need health CARE reform, NOT  liberalhistorian   Jul-18-09 09:41 AM   #18 
  - +100  kath   Jul-18-09 11:03 AM   #39 
  - Well, then move to the UK.  Frank Booth   Jul-18-09 10:29 AM   #26 
  - Would that it were that easy  ibegurpard   Jul-18-09 10:31 AM   #29 
     - It's less ridiculous than demanding single payer or bust,  Frank Booth   Jul-18-09 11:00 AM   #37 
        - nice to know you consider it whining  ibegurpard   Jul-18-09 11:03 AM   #40 
           - If there's 0% chance we'll get single payer, but those who want it won't support a plan  Frank Booth   Jul-18-09 11:20 AM   #48 
              - There's a bill with an effective public option?  ibegurpard   Jul-18-09 11:22 AM   #49 
              - Not yet, but there's a chance that there will be.  Frank Booth   Jul-18-09 11:26 AM   #51 
              - Where the chance is certainly 0% if you don't bother to try to insist on it  Raineyb   Jul-18-09 12:46 PM   #63 
              - I haven't seen a plan with an effective public option.  ipaint   Jul-18-09 01:18 PM   #65 
  - Insurance pays for the care, but the care needs to be controlled too...  Deja Q   Jul-18-09 12:37 PM   #61 
  - But how much will it cost?  Bluenorthwest   Jul-18-09 09:20 AM   #14 
  - well i'm glad to see insurance companies making out in an economy where the rest of us  xchrom   Jul-18-09 09:52 AM   #21 
  - I hate to tell you this, but I don't want health "insurance". I want a  kestrel91316   Jul-18-09 10:22 AM   #22 
  - yes  ibegurpard   Jul-18-09 10:24 AM   #23 
  - +2!  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-18-09 10:31 AM   #28 
  - I have insurance, but I am underinsured  niceypoo   Jul-18-09 10:35 AM   #32 
  - The bill creates three tiers of service level.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 11:05 AM   #42 
     - I'm self employed and without work  Lorien   Jul-18-09 11:20 AM   #47 
        - If your income is below 133% of FPL, your coverage is free.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 12:11 PM   #58 
  - Obama & the Democratic Congress have already BLOWN it.  Kansas Wyatt   Jul-18-09 10:36 AM   #33 
  - That's right - pry off the parasites and kill 'em dead - it's way past time for them to go.  kath   Jul-18-09 11:06 AM   #43 
  - How about if you just haven't had a job for like five years  shadowknows69   Jul-18-09 10:47 AM   #35 
  - The house bill forces large (over 20 employees) to provide good insurance...  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 11:02 AM   #38 
     - Cool. Too cynical to be hopeful until I get an official letter lol.  shadowknows69   Jul-18-09 11:04 AM   #41 
  - I don't want insurance. Insurance is what stands between the patient and  Lorien   Jul-18-09 11:18 AM   #46 
  - President Obama's statement indicating you or your employer can choose the public option is false  Better Believe It   Jul-18-09 11:22 AM   #50 
  - You're either here working  Hutzpa   Jul-18-09 11:32 AM   #53 
  - read the bills  ibegurpard   Jul-18-09 11:33 AM   #55 
  - Read the bill. Facts are facts. Do you want me to present the hard facts in this string?  Better Believe It   Jul-18-09 11:39 AM   #56 
  - It is the intent of the bill that employers be allowed to eventually participate in the exchange.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 12:34 PM   #59 
  - K&R  Wednesdays   Jul-18-09 09:56 PM   #66 
  - Fuck insurance. What about CARE?  eridani   Jul-19-09 02:31 AM   #69 
     - +1  strategery blunder   Jul-19-09 03:05 AM   #70 

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