hfojvt
(1000+ posts)
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Sat Jul-18-09 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #25 |
| 62. depends on how you define working class |
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I have spent most of my working life in the bottom quintile and even though I sing along with Queen's 'Keep yourself alive' I pretty much take survival for granted. I think most people do. "Just been trying to survive" is nonsense for most of America, has been for about a hundred years. In 1951, a distant relative of mine wrote the 4th edition of an economics textbook (which I now own). In it, he quotes a sociologist E. A. Ross from 1905 who sums it up well.
"The master error of the social Darwinists is to see in the economic struggle a twin to the struggle for existence that plays so fateful a part in the modification of species. The fact is, the scramble for money or place, though it be as desperate as the fight of clawed beasts, has ceased to be a clear case of life or death. Only on the bottom steps of the social ladder do men compete from hunger. Above them men work themselves into the madhouse or the grave, not for bread, but for jam on the bread."
DU's Jeremiads are so determined to wear sackclothes and ashes and proclaim 'woe, misery, and doom, life in America just sucks', that even to proclaim that we have some options or it's not that bad are taken to be clear signs of trollery. Since when are progressives supposed to see only the dark side of everything? Like progressive = pessimist to the fifth power.
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Be Born, Give Away Your Labor, Buy Plastic Shit On Credit, Eat Fast Food, Get Fat, and Fucking Die |
NightWatcher |
Jul-17-09 06:34 PM |
#0 |

LOL. nt |
alsame |
Jul-17-09 06:35 PM |
#1 |

+10 000 |
mix |
Jul-17-09 06:36 PM |
#2 |

ROFL |
AspenRose |
Jul-17-09 06:38 PM |
#3 |

All except for the first and last are choices for YOU to make. |
dolphindance |
Jul-17-09 06:39 PM |
#4 |
 
+100 |
scheming daemons |
Jul-17-09 06:42 PM |
#10 |
  
ahuh |
fascisthunter |
Jul-18-09 10:55 AM |
#72 |
 
Welcome to DU |
abumbyanyothername |
Jul-17-09 06:45 PM |
#16 |
 
Unless you go and kill someone right in front of a cop... |
cascadiance |
Jul-17-09 06:54 PM |
#18 |
 
choke on your bootstraps n/t |
musette_sf |
Jul-17-09 07:00 PM |
#20 |
  
Meanwhile,... |
GoCubsGo |
Jul-17-09 07:58 PM |
#34 |
   
or steps on my blue suede bootstraps |
musette_sf |
Jul-17-09 09:15 PM |
#38 |
  
Thank you. I really appreciate that! |
bobbolink |
Jul-17-09 08:11 PM |
#36 |
 
My life is what I make it. I'll make mine a life of political activism, thanks. |
readmoreoften |
Jul-17-09 07:10 PM |
#25 |
  
Deleted message |
Name removed |
Jul-17-09 07:28 PM |
#31 |
  
+27 |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-17-09 09:48 PM |
#42 |
  
How I wish that was true |
susanr516 |
Jul-17-09 10:00 PM |
#43 |
   
I find this defeatism unbearable. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 08:46 AM |
#65 |
  
And LUCK... let's not forget LUCK! |
yoyossarian |
Jul-18-09 11:29 AM |
#78 |
   
Yes and what about those who don't have talent to differentiate themselves |
treestar |
Jul-18-09 12:08 PM |
#82 |
    
Like it or not, that's the way it works. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 07:53 PM |
#135 |
   
That's funny, because there are a lot of talented individuals in unions |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-19-09 07:27 PM |
#170 |
   
More often than not, you make your own luck. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 07:48 PM |
#133 |
  
Because you did it everyone else has the same chances? |
treestar |
Jul-18-09 12:06 PM |
#81 |
   
What is unbearable. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 07:56 PM |
#136 |
  
Salary for doing what? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-19-09 05:37 PM |
#167 |
  
.. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-20-09 11:09 AM |
#173 |
  
Well whoopie fuck for you. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-18-09 12:09 PM |
#84 |
   
Keep telling yourself it's all about luck. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 07:57 PM |
#137 |
  
Your post makes me SICK to my stomach. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jul-18-09 12:38 PM |
#92 |
  
Who is John Galt? |
blindpig |
Jul-18-09 01:30 PM |
#100 |
  
you need to be aware of all the support you had that many people don't have. |
nashville_brook |
Jul-18-09 02:17 PM |
#105 |
   
On support. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 08:05 PM |
#138 |
  
half the population makes under $15/hr. 2 in 3 will use some "welfare" service |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-19-09 06:32 AM |
#161 |
  
How progressive and idealistic of you |
varelse |
Jul-18-09 03:08 PM |
#108 |
   
Not deserve. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 08:07 PM |
#139 |
  
You know what? |
varelse |
Jul-18-09 09:54 PM |
#152 |
   
Thank you. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 11:16 PM |
#157 |
  
The definition of egocentrism. Congrats you have attained the |
ipaint |
Jul-19-09 08:05 PM |
#171 |
  
don't think that because you make $92K a year now that it can't be stolen from you |
northernlights |
Jul-18-09 03:15 PM |
#109 |
   
Your story parallels mine, however I was able to see the fraud. |
Grinchie |
Jul-18-09 06:02 PM |
#117 |
  
Financial success and personal success are not always the same thing. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-18-09 07:27 PM |
#127 |
  
"They churn out specialists, when the world really needs Generalists." |
NashVegas |
Jul-20-09 02:56 PM |
#174 |
  
You nailed it. Defeatism is what the Corporate Machine depends on |
Grinchie |
Jul-18-09 05:27 PM |
#113 |
   
But the guy you're responding to is using his value to participate in the Corporate Machine |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-18-09 07:39 PM |
#130 |
  
Actually, the game is rigged. Read Malcolm Gladwell's book, The Outliers |
JDPriestly |
Jul-18-09 07:09 PM |
#126 |
   
Malcolm Gladwell is so cool. I always find his observations to be thought-provoking. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-18-09 07:44 PM |
#131 |
  
Lucky you that your mom was willing to let you mooch off of her when you were a young adult. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-18-09 07:36 PM |
#129 |
  
I didn't mooch. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 08:13 PM |
#141 |
  
Then what was the point of mentioning it? |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-18-09 08:39 PM |
#143 |
  
It put me in a smaller town. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 08:45 PM |
#144 |
  
So you got free food. |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-18-09 08:54 PM |
#145 |
  
Sure I could have. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 11:15 PM |
#156 |
  
You seem to think in either/or terms |
Hello_Kitty |
Jul-19-09 11:57 AM |
#165 |
  
the organizing can't come soon enough |
handmade34 |
Jul-18-09 12:43 AM |
#50 |
  
depends on how you define working class |
hfojvt |
Jul-18-09 07:57 AM |
#62 |
   
I had to look up Jeremiad. |
verdalaven |
Jul-18-09 09:58 AM |
#66 |
   
Excellent post. |
Silent3 |
Jul-18-09 01:42 PM |
#101 |
   
Thanks for this. (nt) |
redqueen |
Jul-18-09 03:24 PM |
#110 |
   
One in 11. |
gorfle |
Jul-18-09 08:14 PM |
#142 |
   
Keep yourself alive, great song. |
sarcasmo |
Jul-18-09 09:16 PM |
#148 |
  
Working class people always get screwed |
Mimosa |
Jul-19-09 05:59 PM |
#168 |
 
lol. |
Hannah Bell |
Jul-17-09 07:11 PM |
#26 |
 
High Performance-Hydraulic-Heavy Duty Boot Straps needed |
lib2DaBone |
Jul-17-09 07:23 PM |
#29 |
  
That's it! |
rucognizant |
Jul-18-09 06:03 AM |
#58 |
   
Portland, Maine compared to Madrid, Spain |
Citizen Worker |
Jul-18-09 10:55 AM |
#73 |
  
Thank the paranoia of Americans for all the red tape in high places. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-18-09 07:32 PM |
#128 |
  
Selling hot dogs? |
unbound |
Jul-18-09 08:09 PM |
#140 |
 
I agree. I lost $3,000 on the hot dog idea... and they govt lost all the taxes they could have got. |
lib2DaBone |
Jul-18-09 11:20 PM |
#158 |
 
Oh,, shit. More Oprah fucking lack of empathy shit. |
bobbolink |
Jul-17-09 08:00 PM |
#35 |
 
Trust me, I am with you guys. A Dem. |
dolphindance |
Jul-17-09 09:47 PM |
#41 |
  
I mean no disrespect, dolphindance |
susanr516 |
Jul-17-09 10:29 PM |
#45 |
   
I Think |
NashVegas |
Jul-18-09 10:09 AM |
#68 |
   
The house always wins, just like a casino is the Government. |
sarcasmo |
Jul-18-09 09:21 PM |
#149 |
  
Smile, be happy and get fucked |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Jul-18-09 12:50 AM |
#52 |
  
I believe you are incorrect and not 'with us' |
handmade34 |
Jul-18-09 12:54 AM |
#53 |
  
SORRY DOLPHINDANCE! |
rucognizant |
Jul-18-09 06:11 AM |
#59 |
   
I saw one that was donated recently |
hfojvt |
Jul-18-09 08:10 AM |
#63 |
  
you aint on my side |
fascisthunter |
Jul-18-09 10:58 AM |
#75 |
  
I worked hard as a child in school and I had a dream. |
Subdivisions |
Jul-18-09 12:01 PM |
#80 |
   
Subdivisions, your life is really more the norm. |
JDPriestly |
Jul-18-09 07:44 PM |
#132 |
   
It could have been just the same as it is now... |
GoCubsGo |
Jul-19-09 10:26 AM |
#164 |
  
Misogynist much? |
treestar |
Jul-18-09 12:11 PM |
#85 |
  
You crack me up |
Seen the light |
Jul-18-09 12:13 PM |
#87 |
  
For Any Skill That You Develop, The Predatory Capitalists Will Outsource It |
Yavin4 |
Jul-18-09 12:18 PM |
#89 |
  
I believe what you say, but you're still wrong. |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-18-09 12:24 PM |
#90 |
  
Except that ain't true |
DireStrike |
Jul-18-09 01:09 PM |
#95 |
  
Unlike the other poster |
quakerboy |
Jul-18-09 05:34 PM |
#114 |
  
You're right. Just Consume, Debauch, and Vomit. |
Grinchie |
Jul-18-09 06:15 PM |
#119 |
 
That's rather naive. nt |
Hissyspit |
Jul-17-09 10:22 PM |
#44 |
 
Sure it is. Just make shit up as you go along. You'll succeed. |
cliffordu |
Jul-18-09 10:53 AM |
#71 |
 
you mean a life dictated by the wealthy class instead of We the People |
fascisthunter |
Jul-18-09 10:57 AM |
#74 |
  
So just throw up your hands? Give in? |
dolphindance |
Jul-18-09 11:00 AM |
#76 |
 
give in? What the hell are you taking |
fascisthunter |
Jul-18-09 11:06 AM |
#77 |
 
When GM systematically destroyed the commuter rail systems |
Grinchie |
Jul-18-09 06:29 PM |
#121 |
 
Ah, yes. |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-18-09 11:57 AM |
#79 |
 
For most, but to get from the first to the last requires those in between. |
The Stranger |
Jul-18-09 12:13 PM |
#86 |
 
Yeah, I chose to pay for health insurance. The insurance company chose not |
Lorien |
Jul-18-09 12:47 PM |
#93 |
  
They don't just refuse health care. |
Grinchie |
Jul-18-09 06:33 PM |
#122 |
 
apart from a couple trinkets, what I buy tends to have a pragmatic use. |
Deja Q |
Jul-18-09 02:00 PM |
#104 |
 
Depend on the government for general services and security???? |
dixiegrrrrl |
Jul-18-09 02:49 PM |
#106 |
  
I'm going to K/R your post Dixie |
Grinchie |
Jul-18-09 06:35 PM |
#123 |
   
It was easier before I "woke up", in some respects. |
dixiegrrrrl |
Jul-19-09 02:28 PM |
#166 |
  
Amen, dixiegrrrrl |
Mimosa |
Jul-19-09 06:25 PM |
#169 |
 
typical response. when 80% of food in stores is corn syrup, salt, and fats....people will suffer |
PretzelWarrior |
Jul-18-09 10:13 PM |
#155 |
 
That's why I got an AK with my brand new F150. We can all live in the woods! |
ellisonz |
Jul-19-09 06:47 AM |
#162 |

Ain't that America....somethin' to see....Ain't that America....the home of the free. |
marmar |
Jul-17-09 06:40 PM |
#5 |

And if your lucky |
Engineer4Obama |
Jul-17-09 06:40 PM |
#6 |

The Godfathers - Birth, School, Work, Death |
DJ13 |
Jul-17-09 06:40 PM |
#7 |
 
OMG - I can't believe I forgot about that one! |
AwakeAtLast |
Jul-17-09 09:22 PM |
#39 |

I thought you were talking about the average American's goals. |
MercutioATC |
Jul-17-09 06:41 PM |
#8 |

Make sure to smoke and drink to excess, along with the rest. |
Ikonoklast |
Jul-17-09 06:42 PM |
#9 |
 
all while bathed in the false hope of religion |
ThomWV |
Jul-17-09 06:45 PM |
#14 |

Ah, yes, give up any hope for reward in this life. |
Ikonoklast |
Jul-17-09 07:08 PM |
#24 |

To the greatest page (for now). n/t |
Greyhound |
Jul-17-09 06:42 PM |
#11 |
 
Is It Me, Or .... |
NashVegas |
Jul-18-09 10:12 AM |
#69 |

I was wondering the same thing. |
GreenArrow |
Jul-18-09 01:08 PM |
#94 |
 
The 'S' Word? |
NashVegas |
Jul-18-09 06:16 PM |
#120 |

Yep, the "s" word |
GreenArrow |
Jul-19-09 09:27 PM |
#172 |

I missed it (I think), apparently timing is everything... |
Greyhound |
Jul-19-09 03:53 AM |
#160 |

the american dream. |
dysfunctional press |
Jul-17-09 06:44 PM |
#12 |

It's friday, right? |
boppers |
Jul-17-09 06:44 PM |
#13 |
 
Hahaha... yes, it is. |
redqueen |
Jul-17-09 06:45 PM |
#15 |

Oooh, it's beer time then! |
boppers |
Jul-17-09 07:22 PM |
#28 |

Shh...just shut up and smile and work for big business |
lesliewhitebird |
Jul-17-09 06:53 PM |
#17 |

that sums it up..... |
madrchsod |
Jul-17-09 06:58 PM |
#19 |
 
Yup! |
OffWithTheirHeads |
Jul-17-09 07:01 PM |
#22 |

Buy plastic shit with plastic cards. That's pretty much it nt |
conspirator |
Jul-17-09 07:01 PM |
#21 |

... |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-17-09 07:05 PM |
#23 |

Perfect summary |
varelse |
Jul-17-09 07:11 PM |
#27 |

I'd like to fornicate some and abuse a few mind expanders first |
Saboburns |
Jul-17-09 07:27 PM |
#30 |

You forgot "Breed More Consumers." |
Arugula Latte |
Jul-17-09 07:37 PM |
#32 |

Well...this thread dredged up some winners, for sure. |
MineralMan |
Jul-17-09 07:52 PM |
#33 |

The die part will happen to all of us anyway |
stray cat |
Jul-17-09 08:20 PM |
#37 |
 
"give away your labor" is not "work for a living" |
DireStrike |
Jul-18-09 01:14 PM |
#96 |

OOOHHH..... |
UnseenUndergrad |
Jul-17-09 09:36 PM |
#40 |
 
"You" took back the Congress? Why, whatever do you mean? |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Jul-18-09 12:33 AM |
#49 |

The Canadians |
UnseenUndergrad |
Jul-18-09 01:29 PM |
#98 |

When you say it like that... |
Fla_Democrat |
Jul-17-09 10:34 PM |
#46 |

"Survivor" -- Chuck Palahniuk |
HCE SuiGeneris |
Jul-17-09 11:54 PM |
#47 |

K and R |
lexanman |
Jul-17-09 11:59 PM |
#48 |

Oh, yeah - get enough "education" to do your job... |
old mark |
Jul-18-09 12:46 AM |
#51 |

Add: believe every word of propaganda thrown at you |
mullard12ax7 |
Jul-18-09 01:07 AM |
#54 |

OK .sounds good to me |
Milspec |
Jul-18-09 01:12 AM |
#55 |

But can I have extra bacon on my ice cream cone? |
troubledamerican |
Jul-18-09 04:07 AM |
#56 |

Buying Plastic Shit with plastic...........A Dead End! |
GreenTea |
Jul-18-09 04:39 AM |
#57 |

"Work, worry, consume, die" - Zippy the Pinhead |
REP |
Jul-18-09 06:36 AM |
#60 |

Best thread title ever |
proud2BlibKansan |
Jul-18-09 07:21 AM |
#61 |

"Just how do you mean that , sir?" . . . |
OneBlueSky |
Jul-18-09 08:36 AM |
#64 |
 
For some reason, I can't help but imagining... |
Silent3 |
Jul-18-09 01:56 PM |
#103 |

kick and rec #69! wooo hooooo! |
stlsaxman |
Jul-18-09 10:05 AM |
#67 |

You left out "take lots of drugs" |
tridim |
Jul-18-09 10:35 AM |
#70 |

create consume conform compete |
conscious evolution |
Jul-18-09 12:08 PM |
#83 |

Modern Americans are not what the first Americans were. |
Tim01 |
Jul-18-09 12:17 PM |
#88 |
 
+1 n/t |
lumberjack_jeff |
Jul-18-09 12:27 PM |
#91 |
 
How are your bees doing? Had any problems with them? -nt- |
DireStrike |
Jul-18-09 01:17 PM |
#97 |
  
ABout the bees.. |
Grinchie |
Jul-18-09 06:47 PM |
#125 |
 
Amen to that Tim01 |
Grinchie |
Jul-18-09 06:43 PM |
#124 |
 
Now, to my mind, Tim01, YOU are living the American Dream, |
JDPriestly |
Jul-18-09 07:53 PM |
#134 |

+84 |
stevedeshazer |
Jul-18-09 01:30 PM |
#99 |

Would any short summation of life come out all that cheery? |
Silent3 |
Jul-18-09 01:50 PM |
#102 |

An attitude like that pretty much guarantees misery. |
Throd |
Jul-18-09 03:05 PM |
#107 |

Wasn't this "plan" revealed in March? |
TommyPaine |
Jul-18-09 03:48 PM |
#111 |

Of course be born, get rich, buy gold shit on credit, eat haute cuisine, stay thin and you die also, |
dmallind |
Jul-18-09 03:57 PM |
#112 |

And don't forget the most important part.... |
thelordofhell |
Jul-18-09 05:39 PM |
#115 |

K&R. )nt( |
Kurovski |
Jul-18-09 05:50 PM |
#116 |

Eat shit and die you mo fos! nt |
earth mom |
Jul-18-09 06:13 PM |
#118 |

Don't forget to buy that plastic shit at walmart.... |
Tikki |
Jul-18-09 08:58 PM |
#146 |
 
And to drive to Walmart in their Toyota/HondaMobiles |
NNN0LHI |
Jul-18-09 10:03 PM |
#153 |

Obey, Work, Consume, Die. |
sarcasmo |
Jul-18-09 09:07 PM |
#147 |

Yall are too young to remember the old song |
AnnInLa |
Jul-18-09 09:24 PM |
#150 |
 
Ah shucks. I thought you were gonna do Tennessee Ernie Ford |
havocmom |
Jul-18-09 09:44 PM |
#151 |
  
Big LOL |
AnnInLa |
Jul-18-09 10:10 PM |
#154 |
  
No ...I am not too young to remember the Ernie Ford show. |
L0oniX |
Jul-19-09 09:29 AM |
#163 |
 
Great to hear from Dinosaurs like me that still remember those songs |
lib2DaBone |
Jul-18-09 11:28 PM |
#159 |

that's what the GOP wants, and the corporations. |
bdamomma |
Jul-20-09 02:59 PM |
#175 |