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62. depends on how you define working class
I have spent most of my working life in the bottom quintile and even though I sing along with Queen's 'Keep yourself alive' I pretty much take survival for granted. I think most people do. "Just been trying to survive" is nonsense for most of America, has been for about a hundred years. In 1951, a distant relative of mine wrote the 4th edition of an economics textbook (which I now own). In it, he quotes a sociologist E. A. Ross from 1905 who sums it up well.

"The master error of the social Darwinists is to see in the economic struggle a twin to the struggle for existence that plays so fateful a part in the modification of species. The fact is, the scramble for money or place, though it be as desperate as the fight of clawed beasts, has ceased to be a clear case of life or death. Only on the bottom steps of the social ladder do men compete from hunger. Above them men work themselves into the madhouse or the grave, not for bread, but for jam on the bread."

DU's Jeremiads are so determined to wear sackclothes and ashes and proclaim 'woe, misery, and doom, life in America just sucks', that even to proclaim that we have some options or it's not that bad are taken to be clear signs of trollery. Since when are progressives supposed to see only the dark side of everything? Like progressive = pessimist to the fifth power.
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  Be Born, Give Away Your Labor, Buy Plastic Shit On Credit, Eat Fast Food, Get Fat, and Fucking Die NightWatcher  Jul-17-09 06:34 PM   #0 
   LOL. nt  alsame   Jul-17-09 06:35 PM   #1 
   +10 000  mix   Jul-17-09 06:36 PM   #2 
   ROFL  AspenRose   Jul-17-09 06:38 PM   #3 
   All except for the first and last are choices for YOU to make.  dolphindance   Jul-17-09 06:39 PM   #4 
   +100  scheming daemons   Jul-17-09 06:42 PM   #10 
   ahuh  fascisthunter   Jul-18-09 10:55 AM   #72 
   Welcome to DU  abumbyanyothername   Jul-17-09 06:45 PM   #16 
   Unless you go and kill someone right in front of a cop...  cascadiance   Jul-17-09 06:54 PM   #18 
   choke on your bootstraps n/t  musette_sf   Jul-17-09 07:00 PM   #20 
   Meanwhile,...  GoCubsGo   Jul-17-09 07:58 PM   #34 
   or steps on my blue suede bootstraps  musette_sf   Jul-17-09 09:15 PM   #38 
   Thank you. I really appreciate that!  bobbolink   Jul-17-09 08:11 PM   #36 
   My life is what I make it. I'll make mine a life of political activism, thanks.  readmoreoften   Jul-17-09 07:10 PM   #25 
   Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-09 07:28 PM   #31 
   +27  Hannah Bell   Jul-17-09 09:48 PM   #42 
   How I wish that was true  susanr516   Jul-17-09 10:00 PM   #43 
   I find this defeatism unbearable.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 08:46 AM   #65 
      And LUCK... let's not forget LUCK!  yoyossarian   Jul-18-09 11:29 AM   #78 
      Yes and what about those who don't have talent to differentiate themselves  treestar   Jul-18-09 12:08 PM   #82 
      Like it or not, that's the way it works.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 07:53 PM   #135 
         That's funny, because there are a lot of talented individuals in unions  Hello_Kitty   Jul-19-09 07:27 PM   #170 
      More often than not, you make your own luck.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 07:48 PM   #133 
      Because you did it everyone else has the same chances?  treestar   Jul-18-09 12:06 PM   #81 
      What is unbearable.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 07:56 PM   #136 
         Salary for doing what?  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-19-09 05:37 PM   #167 
         ..  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-20-09 11:09 AM   #173 
      Well whoopie fuck for you.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-18-09 12:09 PM   #84 
      Keep telling yourself it's all about luck.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 07:57 PM   #137 
      Your post makes me SICK to my stomach.  OwnedByFerrets   Jul-18-09 12:38 PM   #92 
      Who is John Galt?  blindpig   Jul-18-09 01:30 PM   #100 
      you need to be aware of all the support you had that many people don't have.  nashville_brook   Jul-18-09 02:17 PM   #105 
      On support.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 08:05 PM   #138 
         half the population makes under $15/hr. 2 in 3 will use some "welfare" service  Hannah Bell   Jul-19-09 06:32 AM   #161 
      How progressive and idealistic of you  varelse   Jul-18-09 03:08 PM   #108 
      Not deserve.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 08:07 PM   #139 
         You know what?  varelse   Jul-18-09 09:54 PM   #152 
         Thank you.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 11:16 PM   #157 
         The definition of egocentrism. Congrats you have attained the  ipaint   Jul-19-09 08:05 PM   #171 
      don't think that because you make $92K a year now that it can't be stolen from you  northernlights   Jul-18-09 03:15 PM   #109 
      Your story parallels mine, however I was able to see the fraud.  Grinchie   Jul-18-09 06:02 PM   #117 
         Financial success and personal success are not always the same thing.  JDPriestly   Jul-18-09 07:27 PM   #127 
         "They churn out specialists, when the world really needs Generalists."  NashVegas   Jul-20-09 02:56 PM   #174 
      You nailed it. Defeatism is what the Corporate Machine depends on  Grinchie   Jul-18-09 05:27 PM   #113 
      But the guy you're responding to is using his value to participate in the Corporate Machine  Hello_Kitty   Jul-18-09 07:39 PM   #130 
      Actually, the game is rigged. Read Malcolm Gladwell's book, The Outliers  JDPriestly   Jul-18-09 07:09 PM   #126 
      Malcolm Gladwell is so cool. I always find his observations to be thought-provoking.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-18-09 07:44 PM   #131 
      Lucky you that your mom was willing to let you mooch off of her when you were a young adult.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-18-09 07:36 PM   #129 
         I didn't mooch.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 08:13 PM   #141 
            Then what was the point of mentioning it?  Hello_Kitty   Jul-18-09 08:39 PM   #143 
               It put me in a smaller town.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 08:45 PM   #144 
                  So you got free food.  Hello_Kitty   Jul-18-09 08:54 PM   #145 
                     Sure I could have.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 11:15 PM   #156 
                        You seem to think in either/or terms  Hello_Kitty   Jul-19-09 11:57 AM   #165 
   the organizing can't come soon enough  handmade34   Jul-18-09 12:43 AM   #50 
   depends on how you define working class  hfojvt   Jul-18-09 07:57 AM   #62 
   I had to look up Jeremiad.  verdalaven   Jul-18-09 09:58 AM   #66 
   Excellent post.  Silent3   Jul-18-09 01:42 PM   #101 
   Thanks for this. (nt)  redqueen   Jul-18-09 03:24 PM   #110 
   One in 11.  gorfle   Jul-18-09 08:14 PM   #142 
   Keep yourself alive, great song.  sarcasmo   Jul-18-09 09:16 PM   #148 
   Working class people always get screwed  Mimosa   Jul-19-09 05:59 PM   #168 
   lol.  Hannah Bell   Jul-17-09 07:11 PM   #26 
   High Performance-Hydraulic-Heavy Duty Boot Straps needed  lib2DaBone   Jul-17-09 07:23 PM   #29 
   That's it!  rucognizant   Jul-18-09 06:03 AM   #58 
   Portland, Maine compared to Madrid, Spain  Citizen Worker   Jul-18-09 10:55 AM   #73 
   Thank the paranoia of Americans for all the red tape in high places.  JDPriestly   Jul-18-09 07:32 PM   #128 
   Selling hot dogs?  unbound   Jul-18-09 08:09 PM   #140 
      I agree. I lost $3,000 on the hot dog idea... and they govt lost all the taxes they could have got.  lib2DaBone   Jul-18-09 11:20 PM   #158 
   Oh,, shit. More Oprah fucking lack of empathy shit.  bobbolink   Jul-17-09 08:00 PM   #35 
   Trust me, I am with you guys. A Dem.  dolphindance   Jul-17-09 09:47 PM   #41 
   I mean no disrespect, dolphindance  susanr516   Jul-17-09 10:29 PM   #45 
   I Think  NashVegas   Jul-18-09 10:09 AM   #68 
   The house always wins, just like a casino is the Government.  sarcasmo   Jul-18-09 09:21 PM   #149 
   Smile, be happy and get fucked  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-18-09 12:50 AM   #52 
   I believe you are incorrect and not 'with us'  handmade34   Jul-18-09 12:54 AM   #53 
   SORRY DOLPHINDANCE!  rucognizant   Jul-18-09 06:11 AM   #59 
   I saw one that was donated recently  hfojvt   Jul-18-09 08:10 AM   #63 
   you aint on my side  fascisthunter   Jul-18-09 10:58 AM   #75 
   I worked hard as a child in school and I had a dream.  Subdivisions   Jul-18-09 12:01 PM   #80 
   Subdivisions, your life is really more the norm.  JDPriestly   Jul-18-09 07:44 PM   #132 
   It could have been just the same as it is now...  GoCubsGo   Jul-19-09 10:26 AM   #164 
   Misogynist much?  treestar   Jul-18-09 12:11 PM   #85 
   You crack me up  Seen the light   Jul-18-09 12:13 PM   #87 
   For Any Skill That You Develop, The Predatory Capitalists Will Outsource It  Yavin4   Jul-18-09 12:18 PM   #89 
   I believe what you say, but you're still wrong.  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 12:24 PM   #90 
   Except that ain't true  DireStrike   Jul-18-09 01:09 PM   #95 
   Unlike the other poster  quakerboy   Jul-18-09 05:34 PM   #114 
   You're right. Just Consume, Debauch, and Vomit.  Grinchie   Jul-18-09 06:15 PM   #119 
   That's rather naive. nt  Hissyspit   Jul-17-09 10:22 PM   #44 
   Sure it is. Just make shit up as you go along. You'll succeed.  cliffordu   Jul-18-09 10:53 AM   #71 
   you mean a life dictated by the wealthy class instead of We the People  fascisthunter   Jul-18-09 10:57 AM   #74 
   So just throw up your hands? Give in?  dolphindance   Jul-18-09 11:00 AM   #76 
      give in? What the hell are you taking  fascisthunter   Jul-18-09 11:06 AM   #77 
      When GM systematically destroyed the commuter rail systems  Grinchie   Jul-18-09 06:29 PM   #121 
   Ah, yes.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-18-09 11:57 AM   #79 
   For most, but to get from the first to the last requires those in between.  The Stranger   Jul-18-09 12:13 PM   #86 
   Yeah, I chose to pay for health insurance. The insurance company chose not  Lorien   Jul-18-09 12:47 PM   #93 
   They don't just refuse health care.  Grinchie   Jul-18-09 06:33 PM   #122 
   apart from a couple trinkets, what I buy tends to have a pragmatic use.  Deja Q   Jul-18-09 02:00 PM   #104 
   Depend on the government for general services and security????  dixiegrrrrl   Jul-18-09 02:49 PM   #106 
   I'm going to K/R your post Dixie  Grinchie   Jul-18-09 06:35 PM   #123 
   It was easier before I "woke up", in some respects.  dixiegrrrrl   Jul-19-09 02:28 PM   #166 
   Amen, dixiegrrrrl  Mimosa   Jul-19-09 06:25 PM   #169 
   typical response. when 80% of food in stores is corn syrup, salt, and fats....people will suffer  PretzelWarrior   Jul-18-09 10:13 PM   #155 
   That's why I got an AK with my brand new F150. We can all live in the woods!  ellisonz   Jul-19-09 06:47 AM   #162 
   Ain't that America....somethin' to see....Ain't that America....the home of the free.  marmar   Jul-17-09 06:40 PM   #5 
   And if your lucky  Engineer4Obama   Jul-17-09 06:40 PM   #6 
   The Godfathers - Birth, School, Work, Death  DJ13   Jul-17-09 06:40 PM   #7 
   OMG - I can't believe I forgot about that one!  AwakeAtLast   Jul-17-09 09:22 PM   #39 
   I thought you were talking about the average American's goals.  MercutioATC   Jul-17-09 06:41 PM   #8 
   Make sure to smoke and drink to excess, along with the rest.  Ikonoklast   Jul-17-09 06:42 PM   #9 
   all while bathed in the false hope of religion  ThomWV   Jul-17-09 06:45 PM   #14 
      Ah, yes, give up any hope for reward in this life.  Ikonoklast   Jul-17-09 07:08 PM   #24 
   To the greatest page (for now). n/t  Greyhound   Jul-17-09 06:42 PM   #11 
   Is It Me, Or ....  NashVegas   Jul-18-09 10:12 AM   #69 
      I was wondering the same thing.  GreenArrow   Jul-18-09 01:08 PM   #94 
      The 'S' Word?  NashVegas   Jul-18-09 06:16 PM   #120 
         Yep, the "s" word  GreenArrow   Jul-19-09 09:27 PM   #172 
      I missed it (I think), apparently timing is everything...  Greyhound   Jul-19-09 03:53 AM   #160 
   the american dream.  dysfunctional press   Jul-17-09 06:44 PM   #12 
   It's friday, right?  boppers   Jul-17-09 06:44 PM   #13 
   Hahaha... yes, it is.  redqueen   Jul-17-09 06:45 PM   #15 
      Oooh, it's beer time then!  boppers   Jul-17-09 07:22 PM   #28 
   Shh...just shut up and smile and work for big business  lesliewhitebird   Jul-17-09 06:53 PM   #17 
   that sums it up.....  madrchsod   Jul-17-09 06:58 PM   #19 
   Yup!  OffWithTheirHeads   Jul-17-09 07:01 PM   #22 
   Buy plastic shit with plastic cards. That's pretty much it nt  conspirator   Jul-17-09 07:01 PM   #21 
   ...  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-17-09 07:05 PM   #23 
   Perfect summary  varelse   Jul-17-09 07:11 PM   #27 
   I'd like to fornicate some and abuse a few mind expanders first  Saboburns   Jul-17-09 07:27 PM   #30 
   You forgot "Breed More Consumers."  Arugula Latte   Jul-17-09 07:37 PM   #32 
   Well...this thread dredged up some winners, for sure.  MineralMan   Jul-17-09 07:52 PM   #33 
   The die part will happen to all of us anyway  stray cat   Jul-17-09 08:20 PM   #37 
   "give away your labor" is not "work for a living"  DireStrike   Jul-18-09 01:14 PM   #96 
   OOOHHH.....  UnseenUndergrad   Jul-17-09 09:36 PM   #40 
   "You" took back the Congress? Why, whatever do you mean?  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-18-09 12:33 AM   #49 
      The Canadians  UnseenUndergrad   Jul-18-09 01:29 PM   #98 
   When you say it like that...  Fla_Democrat   Jul-17-09 10:34 PM   #46 
   "Survivor" -- Chuck Palahniuk  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-17-09 11:54 PM   #47 
   K and R  lexanman   Jul-17-09 11:59 PM   #48 
   Oh, yeah - get enough "education" to do your job...  old mark   Jul-18-09 12:46 AM   #51 
   Add: believe every word of propaganda thrown at you  mullard12ax7   Jul-18-09 01:07 AM   #54 
   OK .sounds good to me  Milspec   Jul-18-09 01:12 AM   #55 
   But can I have extra bacon on my ice cream cone?  troubledamerican   Jul-18-09 04:07 AM   #56 
   Buying Plastic Shit with plastic...........A Dead End!  GreenTea   Jul-18-09 04:39 AM   #57 
   "Work, worry, consume, die" - Zippy the Pinhead  REP   Jul-18-09 06:36 AM   #60 
   Best thread title ever  proud2BlibKansan   Jul-18-09 07:21 AM   #61 
   "Just how do you mean that , sir?" . . .  OneBlueSky   Jul-18-09 08:36 AM   #64 
   For some reason, I can't help but imagining...  Silent3   Jul-18-09 01:56 PM   #103 
   kick and rec #69! wooo hooooo!  stlsaxman   Jul-18-09 10:05 AM   #67 
   You left out "take lots of drugs"  tridim   Jul-18-09 10:35 AM   #70 
   create consume conform compete  conscious evolution   Jul-18-09 12:08 PM   #83 
   Modern Americans are not what the first Americans were.  Tim01   Jul-18-09 12:17 PM   #88 
   +1 n/t  lumberjack_jeff   Jul-18-09 12:27 PM   #91 
   How are your bees doing? Had any problems with them? -nt-  DireStrike   Jul-18-09 01:17 PM   #97 
   ABout the bees..  Grinchie   Jul-18-09 06:47 PM   #125 
   Amen to that Tim01  Grinchie   Jul-18-09 06:43 PM   #124 
   Now, to my mind, Tim01, YOU are living the American Dream,  JDPriestly   Jul-18-09 07:53 PM   #134 
   +84  stevedeshazer   Jul-18-09 01:30 PM   #99 
   Would any short summation of life come out all that cheery?  Silent3   Jul-18-09 01:50 PM   #102 
   An attitude like that pretty much guarantees misery.  Throd   Jul-18-09 03:05 PM   #107 
   Wasn't this "plan" revealed in March?  TommyPaine   Jul-18-09 03:48 PM   #111 
   Of course be born, get rich, buy gold shit on credit, eat haute cuisine, stay thin and you die also,  dmallind   Jul-18-09 03:57 PM   #112 
   And don't forget the most important part....  thelordofhell   Jul-18-09 05:39 PM   #115 
   K&R. )nt(  Kurovski   Jul-18-09 05:50 PM   #116 
   Eat shit and die you mo fos! nt  earth mom   Jul-18-09 06:13 PM   #118 
   Don't forget to buy that plastic shit at walmart....  Tikki   Jul-18-09 08:58 PM   #146 
   And to drive to Walmart in their Toyota/HondaMobiles  NNN0LHI   Jul-18-09 10:03 PM   #153 
   Obey, Work, Consume, Die.  sarcasmo   Jul-18-09 09:07 PM   #147 
   Yall are too young to remember the old song  AnnInLa   Jul-18-09 09:24 PM   #150 
   Ah shucks. I thought you were gonna do Tennessee Ernie Ford  havocmom   Jul-18-09 09:44 PM   #151 
   Big LOL  AnnInLa   Jul-18-09 10:10 PM   #154 
   No ...I am not too young to remember the Ernie Ford show.  L0oniX   Jul-19-09 09:29 AM   #163 
   Great to hear from Dinosaurs like me that still remember those songs  lib2DaBone   Jul-18-09 11:28 PM   #159 
   that's what the GOP wants, and the corporations.  bdamomma   Jul-20-09 02:59 PM   #175 
 

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