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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-19-09 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #168
207. Power. Money equals power. These people are no different from the nobles who murdered
each other and slaughtered their subjects by the millions over the last five or six thousand years of recorded history.

Either they get what they want or somebody gets dead. Or lots of somebodies.

The question is: how do you stop this?? I have no fucking clue.
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  -In light of the assassination program, a few questions about some people I knew about... Octafish  Jul-17-09 03:19 PM   #0 
  - ROFLMAO!!!!!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Jul-17-09 03:22 PM   #1 
  - must be an inside joke  rucky   Jul-17-09 03:27 PM   #2 
  - Me think he doth protest to much  Frosty1   Jul-17-09 03:35 PM   #5 
  - Everything OMC posts is a joke  jgraz   Jul-17-09 09:16 PM   #55 
     - He grinds out a living at it. Five bucks an hour ain't much but it might be the best he can do.  Jim Sagle   Jul-17-09 09:44 PM   #59 
     - I thought he was the bouncer at the Olive Garden  Moochy   Jul-17-09 10:19 PM   #66 
     - If he can't even make minimum wage...  aquart   Jul-18-09 01:09 PM   #162 
     - Yep! and in my first attempt ever, I'll repeat what another  tnlefty   Jul-17-09 11:08 PM   #79 
     - You're being far too charitable.  Raster   Jul-18-09 11:11 AM   #141 
        - Yep, that's me: Far-Too-Charitable Guy.  jgraz   Jul-18-09 11:38 AM   #150 
  - The program has been reported as 'no geographicl limits'.  tekisui   Jul-17-09 03:29 PM   #3 
  - When did Paul Wellstone die and when was this program authorized?  jwirr   Jul-17-09 04:53 PM   #23 
  - He died Oct 25 2002 right before the his Senat election.  felinetta   Jul-17-09 06:26 PM   #37 
  - Perfect timing if you wanted to throw the election  jgraz   Jul-17-09 11:42 PM   #90 
     - They learned from Carnahan.  Jackpine Radical   Jul-18-09 10:15 AM   #132 
     - Yes, and waiting in the wings was cheney*/bush*/rove*'s handpicked  Raster   Jul-18-09 11:41 AM   #151 
     - The Wellstone crash included his wife, Sheila + daughter, Marcia . . ..  defendandprotect   Jul-18-09 01:33 PM   #166 
     - Thank you for remembering them too.  truedelphi   Jul-18-09 03:49 PM   #181 
        - Right . . . was trying to point out that in Carnahan case there was the option ...  defendandprotect   Jul-18-09 04:06 PM   #183 
     - Carnahan was killed when it was too late to change the ballot.  dflprincess   Jul-19-09 10:40 PM   #205 
     - Somebody DID plan it that way. If there was one person in the United States Congress that could...  Raster   Jul-18-09 11:23 AM   #145 
  - It was sometime after Bush Sr., alluding to Wellstone, asked: 'Who is this chickenshit?'  Jim Sagle   Jul-18-09 05:50 PM   #185 
  - Wow I missed that. Thanks for posting! Here is TPM's coverage:  mod mom   Jul-18-09 10:17 AM   #133 
  - Your comment is completely irrational.  readmoreoften   Jul-17-09 03:42 PM   #9 
  - Faux Democrat, you mean.  Enthusiast   Jul-18-09 01:05 PM   #159 
  - How is it funny?  Octafish   Jul-17-09 03:44 PM   #11 
  - amen to that.  nashville_brook   Jul-17-09 05:56 PM   #27 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-09 05:58 PM   #29 
     - Nor have a battle of wits,  Mnemosyne    Jul-17-09 10:53 PM   #73 
  - which part of this are you displaying in your above post?  dixiegrrrrl   Jul-17-09 04:11 PM   #14 
  - Where is it? The flawed logic.  peacetalksforall   Jul-17-09 04:24 PM   #20 
  - The flawed logic is:  rucky   Jul-17-09 11:10 PM   #82 
  - You might have raised a question first and laughed afterward but . . .  caseymoz   Jul-18-09 01:07 PM   #160 
     - I'm with you.  rucky   Jul-18-09 02:34 PM   #174 
  - Of course it's flawed logic. There is no rational reason for supposing that  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-18-09 09:05 AM   #120 
  - I wish I knew what was so funny about this as I could use a laugh. nt  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 05:57 PM   #28 
  - Flawed logic? How so?  Canuckistanian   Jul-17-09 06:03 PM   #33 
  - As always, your detailed analysis & painstakingly reasoned critique do you credit.  scarletwoman   Jul-17-09 07:35 PM   #47 
  - Care to share how that logic is flawed?  DireStrike   Jul-17-09 09:36 PM   #57 
  - I will try.  rhett o rick   Jul-18-09 11:12 AM   #142 
     - That's what the original poster said  DireStrike   Jul-18-09 11:54 AM   #152 
     - Why do you think it was a "similar program"?  aquart   Jul-18-09 01:19 PM   #163 
        - I was merely trying to work with the "logic" of the poster.  rhett o rick   Jul-18-09 03:09 PM   #176 
           - Certainly Cheney isn't.  aquart   Jul-18-09 06:52 PM   #191 
  - Oh, I get it!  Time for change   Jul-17-09 10:22 PM   #68 
  - This probably hits  lexanman   Jul-17-09 10:24 PM   #69 
  - yes, followers are horrified at the thought, who can they turn to?  KakistocracyHater   Jul-18-09 01:36 AM   #101 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-09 10:27 PM   #70 
  - ROFLMAO!!!  rateyes   Jul-17-09 11:20 PM   #87 
  - Please do enlighten me, how is this flawed?  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-18-09 01:43 AM   #103 
  - "Oh how I love flawed logic!"  Vickers   Jul-18-09 02:18 AM   #105 
  - Don't hold your breath.  SammyWinstonJack   Jul-18-09 09:05 AM   #119 
  - have you ever actually listened to that album?  frylock   Jul-18-09 12:47 PM   #156 
  - OMC is the KING of "flawed logic". "Thank God It Passed"... anyone?  AzDar   Jul-18-09 03:25 PM   #180 
  - "Oh how I love flawed logic!"  warren pease   Jul-19-09 10:43 AM   #197 
  - How are you still here, that's what I'd like to know. n/t  Blue_In_AK   Jul-19-09 01:57 PM   #200 
  - I always thought that "they" did Abbie in.  Stanchetalarooni   Jul-17-09 03:34 PM   #4 
  - One of the best people I have ever met used to say that  truedelphi   Jul-17-09 03:40 PM   #7 
  - Govt said Abbie, despondent over a fender-bender, killed himself.  Octafish   Jul-17-09 04:11 PM   #13 
     - I think you're on the right track.  kimmerspixelated   Jul-17-09 04:52 PM   #22 
  - K&R  me b zola   Jul-17-09 03:39 PM   #6 
  - Remember Col. Ted Westhusing?  Octafish   Jul-17-09 04:23 PM   #19 
     - Imagine. "So, of course the Pentagon said he was not going nuts, just thinking too rigidly."  peacetalksforall   Jul-17-09 05:28 PM   #25 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-17-09 03:40 PM   #8 
  - That is one interesting topic, right there.  truedelphi   Jul-17-09 03:47 PM   #12 
  - Remember the Star Wars scientists?  Octafish   Jul-17-09 04:28 PM   #21 
     - And some "suicides' of airmen connected to the B52 found to fly nukes over the U.S....  cascadiance   Jul-17-09 07:08 PM   #41 
  - Cool! Now we have our own version of the "Clinton Death List", but this time about Bush!  scheming daemons   Jul-17-09 03:43 PM   #10 
  - I've had one of those for a long time.  PDJane   Jul-17-09 04:14 PM   #15 
  - Me to. Where were you GHW Bush that your kids to not remember  jwirr   Jul-17-09 05:00 PM   #24 
     - June 22?  dflprincess   Jul-17-09 10:15 PM   #64 
     - Pope Paul VI was elected... it was very big with the kids. ;) nm.  Morning Dew   Jul-18-09 10:25 AM   #136 
     - oops! Problems with a tired grandma just home from a day of sitting  jwirr   Jul-18-09 03:20 PM   #177 
     - Well, he wasn't at MY 10th birthday party that day.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-18-09 09:07 AM   #121 
  - Yes but ours has a lot more names and good reasoning behind it. nt  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 06:02 PM   #32 
  - Actually, I'm up to 49 names..........  PDJane   Jul-17-09 09:33 PM   #56 
     - I fully believe you do.. I am 43 btw. nt  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 10:45 PM   #72 
        - yeah, well.........  PDJane   Jul-17-09 11:03 PM   #76 
           - Maybe you should post those names like the OP did ... ?  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 11:08 PM   #78 
           - You realize I am on your side right? nt  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 11:10 PM   #81 
              - yes, I do.......  PDJane   Jul-17-09 11:15 PM   #86 
                 - If you do get to it, start your own thread .. this is an important subject for me.  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 11:21 PM   #88 
                    - Maybe we should start an ongoing series of threads...  cascadiance   Jul-17-09 11:37 PM   #89 
  - Remember Ronni Moffitt? Remember Orlando Letelier?  Octafish   Jul-17-09 10:05 PM   #62 
  - Seriously. I feel better when this crazy uncle stays under the porch.  Buzz Clik   Jul-18-09 11:24 AM   #146 
  - Thanks for reminding me...  Octafish   Jul-18-09 02:32 PM   #173 
     - oy  Buzz Clik   Jul-18-09 03:51 PM   #182 
  - New here? Asleep for a decade or so?  aquart   Jul-18-09 01:23 PM   #165 
  - More info on Michael Connell and election fraud here...  AntiFascist   Jul-17-09 04:17 PM   #16 
  - Wow! Outstanding resources, that website!  Octafish   Jul-17-09 10:10 PM   #63 
     - My pleasure, Octafish!!  AntiFascist   Jul-17-09 10:20 PM   #67 
  - Also, where did the weapons grade anthrax come from?  gordianot   Jul-17-09 04:18 PM   #17 
  - Anthrax? How dare you. What anthrax?  troubledamerican   Jul-18-09 02:27 AM   #106 
  - Bruce Ivins. And the latest is, National Institutes of Science  EFerrari   Jul-17-09 04:21 PM   #18 
  - Fascinating Question  Me.   Jul-17-09 05:36 PM   #26 
  - Yes... I was hoping someone on DU would do a thread like this.  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 06:09 PM   #35 
  - Afraid?  Me.   Jul-17-09 06:15 PM   #36 
     - I would put money on it. nt  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 07:33 PM   #46 
  - Those hysterical, unscientific doctors?  Ignis   Jul-18-09 03:24 PM   #179 
  - "DC Madam" was asked and said she would never commit suicide  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 05:59 PM   #30 
  - And one of her 'girls' about a year before. Both hangings, which is  Mnemosyne    Jul-17-09 11:00 PM   #74 
  - I didn't know about that ..things that make you go hmmm.. nt  wroberts189   Jul-17-09 11:13 PM   #85 
  - Hangings - interesting..  Torn_Scorned_Ignored   Jul-18-09 09:45 AM   #127 
  - Remember Brandy Britten?  Octafish   Jul-18-09 01:58 AM   #104 
  - Funny how those sound clips never get played on Young Turks, Maddow, etc.  troubledamerican   Jul-18-09 02:30 AM   #107 
  - And remember ABC's Brian Ross was supposed to reveal some of the names  KoKo   Jul-18-09 10:01 AM   #129 
  - HELLO. This is not something NEW.  L. Coyote   Jul-17-09 06:00 PM   #31 
  - Remember Jerry Litton?  Octafish   Jul-18-09 01:21 PM   #164 
  - K&R.  ControlledDemolition   Jul-17-09 06:08 PM   #34 
  - k&r  TheUnspeakable   Jul-17-09 06:27 PM   #38 
  - One day soon,  H2O Man   Jul-17-09 06:28 PM   #39 
  - Cheney Should Have The Heat Because He's Still Operative  Senator   Jul-17-09 07:03 PM   #40 
  - That was my thought, too.  Virginian   Jul-17-09 11:43 PM   #91 
  - Sadly, they never give it all up.  Senator   Jul-18-09 01:40 AM   #102 
  - You're right - there's no reason to believe it's all over.  Raksha   Jul-18-09 01:33 AM   #99 
     - Cheney Sleeper Cells.  troubledamerican   Jul-18-09 02:35 AM   #108 
  - Kicked recommended and bookmarked. Thanks Octafish!  robertpaulsen   Jul-17-09 07:12 PM   #42 
  - Remember Dr. Frank Olson?  Octafish   Jul-17-09 09:38 PM   #58 
     - MK-Ultra, nasty stuff. n/t  Mnemosyne    Jul-17-09 11:02 PM   #75 
        - Truly horrible, and some of it has morphed into neuroscience related fields.  bobthedrummer   Jul-17-09 11:43 PM   #92 
  - K&R  conscious evolution   Jul-17-09 07:13 PM   #43 
  - Remember Paul Sanford?  Octafish   Jul-18-09 02:48 PM   #175 
     - I had him pegged as a DLC hogwash dispenser. After seeing that, I'd uprade him to RNC, if not CIA.  Jim Sagle   Jul-18-09 05:06 PM   #184 
        - All the guy did was ask about Rove's role in outing Valerie Plame.  Octafish   Jul-18-09 06:45 PM   #190 
           - My comment was about Laffing Boy  Jim Sagle   Jul-18-09 06:56 PM   #192 
              - Ah! Thanks, Jim Sagle.  Octafish   Jul-18-09 07:07 PM   #193 
  - Consider the drive to privatize surveillence and security?  wuvuj   Jul-17-09 07:17 PM   #44 
  - Excellent point, nt  Enthusiast   Jul-18-09 02:04 PM   #169 
  - It would be extremely naive to believe it is limited to the scope exposed so far.  SalviaBlue   Jul-17-09 07:24 PM   #45 
  - They tortured children, to get to their parents and gin up their phony case for war.  Octafish   Jul-18-09 09:38 AM   #126 
  - Thank you, Octafish, great thread. We would be fools to believe that what is visible on the surface  scarletwoman   Jul-17-09 07:43 PM   #48 
  - To me the JFK assassination is the Rosetta Stone in understanding what is really going on. n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jul-17-09 08:22 PM   #52 
  - It was the end of innocence, the end of trust.  scarletwoman   Jul-17-09 09:15 PM   #54 
  - MinM told me about this new book a year or so ago...  Octafish   Jul-17-09 10:16 PM   #65 
     - "JFK and the Unspeakable - Why He Died and Why It Matters." A very, very good book. n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jul-17-09 11:09 PM   #80 
     - There were a couple of other things too..........  PDJane   Jul-17-09 11:12 PM   #84 
     - Not dangerous to the people of the world, but to the money/power loving fascists! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jul-18-09 12:28 AM   #95 
     - Thank you for the heads up on that book -- no, I wasn't familiar with it.  scarletwoman   Jul-18-09 10:33 AM   #137 
        - Author addresses book store crowd...  Octafish   Jul-18-09 11:31 AM   #149 
           - Featured on HBO's Real Time w/Bill Maher via Oliver Stone (6/26/09)  MinM   Jul-19-09 01:47 PM   #199 
  - K&R! n/t  juno jones   Jul-17-09 07:44 PM   #49 
  - Maybe Pat Tillman, Margie Schoedinger, and a few others here...  cascadiance   Jul-17-09 07:46 PM   #50 
  - The whole Margie Schoedinger thing was buried big time! n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jul-18-09 12:09 AM   #94 
  - Jessica Lynch's rescuers! Good retrieval from the memory hole!  chimpymustgo   Jul-18-09 05:55 AM   #114 
  - I see someone else brought him up, and I will again: Col. Westhusing  Nothing Without Hope   Jul-17-09 07:58 PM   #51 
  - K and R / Bookmarked  rosesaylavee   Jul-17-09 08:57 PM   #53 
  - When I'm gone, I hope somebody remembers I recommended this thread!  lonestarnot   Jul-17-09 09:49 PM   #60 
  - Marvin (if not Neil) Bush's housekeeper. n/t  ControlledDemolition   Jul-17-09 09:56 PM   #61 
  - Please elaborate, ControlledDemo. I'm not up on this.  bertman   Jul-19-09 11:07 PM   #206 
  - Glad to be # 70 on a thread by one of my favorite DUers!  mod mom   Jul-17-09 10:29 PM   #71 
  - Needs a kick. n/t  Mnemosyne    Jul-17-09 11:05 PM   #77 
  - The late great Steve Kangas  Lasher   Jul-17-09 11:11 PM   #83 
  - I wondered, you answered -=>k*r  autorank   Jul-18-09 12:01 AM   #93 
  - k&r'd  snot   Jul-18-09 12:53 AM   #96 
  - "Why is Cheney taking the heat for the assassination program? Sneer was the Veep to Smirk."  Hannah Bell   Jul-18-09 12:56 AM   #97 
  - Ain't that the truth. It was really weird to see that meme get born and nurtured  glitch   Jul-18-09 10:13 AM   #131 
  - Ain't that the truth. It was really weird to see that meme get born and nurtured  glitch   Jul-18-09 11:22 AM   #144 
  - Is THIS the face of a hapless doofus, a clueless second banana?  Jim Sagle   Jul-18-09 06:34 PM   #189 
  - K&R  leftstreet   Jul-18-09 01:13 AM   #98 
  - K & R  Raksha   Jul-18-09 01:35 AM   #100 
  - There are also mysterious deaths which my involve Afghani heroin trade...  AntiFascist   Jul-18-09 02:49 AM   #109 
  - The Ballad of Tim Russert  troubledamerican   Jul-18-09 02:58 AM   #110 
  - As someone who's supported Wellstone since I was old enough to understand politics, I hate this crap  camera obscura   Jul-18-09 03:05 AM   #111 
  - Perhaps they'll realize that an actual investigation and prosecutions are NEEDED to stop this!  cascadiance   Jul-18-09 10:20 AM   #134 
  - Blitzer and CNN tried to make out the cause of the crash was the WEATHER even though it wasn't.  Octafish   Jul-18-09 11:19 AM   #143 
  - Pat Tillman  Botany   Jul-18-09 03:28 AM   #112 
  - Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence ...  bc3000   Jul-18-09 03:49 AM   #113 
  - More on John Kokal (No WMD) and Benazir Bhutto ("Osama bin Laden was murdered")  seafan   Jul-18-09 07:07 AM   #115 
  - Another reason Bhutto might have been hit. Did she presonally give nuclear secrets to North Korea?  cascadiance   Jul-18-09 09:19 AM   #122 
  - And Bhutto's sister in law died about the time of Benazir's funeral in a road accident.  cascadiance   Jul-18-09 09:29 AM   #123 
  - K&R  OnceUponTimeOnTheNet   Jul-18-09 08:16 AM   #116 
  - Morning kick and rec  jimshoes   Jul-18-09 08:30 AM   #117 
  - Thelma Quince Colbert and Shannon Ross /RIP  canichelouis   Jul-18-09 09:05 AM   #118 
  - Yeah, those were very dirty.  aquart   Jul-18-09 06:22 PM   #188 
  - Wrapped in tinfoil because it's shiny!!!!11  Buzz Clik   Jul-18-09 09:35 AM   #124 
  - Co-author Abbie Hoffman's article was "An Election Held Hostage.''  Octafish   Jul-18-09 10:40 AM   #138 
  - Can't help but notice...  jgraz   Jul-18-09 09:35 AM   #125 
  - And they admit there were no geographic limitations to the squad's activities.  glitch   Jul-18-09 10:07 AM   #130 
  - kick  ensho   Jul-18-09 09:56 AM   #128 
  - And just who is Lord Vader's Death Squadron loyal to NOW!!!!!!!!!!  LongTomH   Jul-18-09 10:22 AM   #135 
  - Octafish , you did it again ~ BINGO!  goclark   Jul-18-09 10:43 AM   #139 
  - Hi, OctaFish!  mother earth   Jul-18-09 10:57 AM   #140 
  - Nick Begich Sr. and Hale Boggs. n/t  Waiting For Everyman   Jul-18-09 11:28 AM   #147 
  - Yep  bobthedrummer   Jul-19-09 10:33 PM   #203 
  - I wish I could recommend this post ten times over!  Raster   Jul-18-09 11:31 AM   #148 
  - K&R.  David Zephyr   Jul-18-09 12:08 PM   #153 
  - GOP007'S running around offing with a license...covert and authorized by dubious means??  opihimoimoi   Jul-18-09 12:12 PM   #154 
  - KandR  Dystopian   Jul-18-09 12:32 PM   #155 
  - Here's another one!  hootinholler   Jul-18-09 12:59 PM   #157 
  - Roland Carnaby! Gunned down like a dog in W's hometown...  MinM   Jul-18-09 01:00 PM   #158 
  - Carnaby killed execution-style reminiscent of Ruby - Oswald  MinM   Jul-19-09 09:37 AM   #194 
     - 'A blank page'  Octafish   Jul-19-09 10:23 AM   #195 
        - Suite 8F Group  MinM   Jul-19-09 09:55 PM   #201 
  - "Sneer" - xVP Dickie 'Five Military Deferments' Cheney (R - Homelander)  SpiralHawk   Jul-18-09 01:08 PM   #161 
  - Seriously...what a joke.  mother earth   Jul-18-09 02:10 PM   #171 
  - Ich bin ein Auslander.  Octafish   Jul-18-09 02:17 PM   #172 
  - Incredible thread, excellent responses.  bleever   Jul-18-09 01:46 PM   #167 
  - What do these guys like Cheney stand for?  Enthusiast   Jul-18-09 01:55 PM   #168 
  - Power. Money equals power. These people are no different from the nobles who murdered  bertman   Jul-19-09 11:36 PM   #207 
  - Thank you, Octafish . . . we need constant reminding ---  defendandprotect   Jul-18-09 02:10 PM   #170 
  - Oh, it's just coincidental that those deaths helped the BFEE.  Ignis   Jul-18-09 03:22 PM   #178 
  - And Of Course There's Always This  Me.   Jul-18-09 06:04 PM   #186 
  - Kick.  Kurovski   Jul-18-09 06:14 PM   #187 
  - at one time we actually had investigative journalists  newspeak   Jul-19-09 10:38 AM   #196 
  - Sunday afternoon kick...  bobthedrummer   Jul-19-09 01:25 PM   #198 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-19-09 10:30 PM   #202 
  - Have to recommend this, but it's TOO FRICKIN LATE. Kick it anyway.  bertman   Jul-19-09 10:38 PM   #204 
 

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