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44. He horrifies me. Here's a mini-essay that I wrote about him about a year ago
RON PAUL: WHY SHOULD HE WORRY SOMEONE THOUSANDS OF MILES AWAY?


Ron Paul won’t win the presidential election, or come anywhere near it. He will continue to be a Texas Congressman. I will continue to live in England, thousands of miles away from him. So why should I worry about him?


Some quotations from his own website indicate some of the serious problems with his views, from a progressive perspective:


'A Republic, If You Can Keep It’ by Dr. Ron Paul, U.S. Representative from Texas

Address to the U.S. House of Representatives delivered on the Floor of the House January 31 - February 2, 2000

....The modern-day welfare state has steadily grown since the Great Depression of the 1930s. The federal government is now involved in providing health care, houses, unemployment benefits, education, food stamps to millions, plus all kinds of subsidies to every conceivable special-interest group. Welfare is now part of our culture, costing hundreds of billions of dollars every year. It is now thought to be a "right," something one is "entitled" to. Calling it an "entitlement" makes it sound proper and respectable and not based on theft. Anyone who has a need, desire, or demand and can get the politicians' attention will get what he wants, even though it may be at the expense of someone else. Today it is considered morally right and politically correct to promote the welfare state. Any suggestion otherwise is considered political suicide.
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....Controlled curricula have downplayed the importance of our constitutional heritage while indoctrinating our children, even in kindergarten, with environmental mythology, internationalism, and sexual liberation. Neighborhood schools in the early part of the 20th Century did not experience this kind of propaganda.

....It is now accepted that people who need (medical) care are entitled to it as a right. This is a serious error in judgment.

...Probably the most significant change in attitude that occurred in the 20th Century was that with respect to life itself. Although abortion has been performed for hundreds if not thousands of years, it was rarely considered an acceptable and routine medical procedure without moral consequence. Since 1973 abortion in America has become routine and justified by a contorted understanding of the right to privacy. The difference between American's rejection of abortions at the beginning of the century, compared to today's casual acceptance, is like night and day. Although a vocal number of Americans express their disgust with abortion on demand, our legislative bodies and the courts claim that the procedure is a constitutionally protected right, disregarding all scientific evidence and legal precedents that recognize the unborn as a legal living entity deserving protection of the law. Ironically the greatest proponents of abortion are the same ones who advocate imprisonment for anyone who disturbs the natural habitat of a toad.

....The welfare system has mocked the concept of marriage in the name of political correctness, economic egalitarianism, and hetero-phobia.


....Any academic discussion questioning the wisdom of our policies surrounding World War II is met with shrill accusations of anti-Semitism and Nazi lover. No one is even permitted without derision by the media, the university intellectuals, and the politicians to ask why the United States allied itself with the murdering Soviets and then turned over Eastern Europe to them...'


So let's see. Paul is totally against any form of welfare state, even in its current American sense (very limited compared with most other developed countries); considers benefits for poor people to be 'theft'; does not think that people are entitled to medical care. Despite all his libertarian justifications for all the above, thinks that the government is entitled to ban abortions and 'defend marriage', (though he considers that these, like other government functions, should be carried out by individual states rather than the national government). He is opposed to gay rights ('heterophobia') and considers concern about the environment to be based on 'mythology'. Moreover, he is so isolationist or anti-Soviet or both, that he would apparently rather have had Hitler take over Europe than have an alliance between America and the Soviet Union during the war.

Moreover, despite his support for his country’s Constitution, he seems to be a less-than-fervent supporter of his country’s democracy. Democracy, in the sense of allowing all adults to vote, was not a feature of American politics at the beginning, or specified in its original constitution, even if America was closer to democracy than England or most other places in the late 18th century. America’s constitution was amended to allow women to vote in 1920. It had been amended to allow African-Americans to vote in 1870; but this was frequently evaded in southern states until the passage of the Voting Rights Act of 1965. Paul has gone on record as opposing this act, as contrary to ‘states’ rights’, even to this day. Should he really be trusted to uphold democracy?

However, most of the Republican candidates have worrying right-wing views; and some of them are far more likely than Paul to win their party’s nomination. What is specifically worrying about Paul is that some ‘progressives’ sympathize with him, and prefer him to some if not all of the Democratic candidates. This is predominantly due to his opposition to the Iraq War and to the Patriot Act: both of which are rightly important issues to liberals. But in addition some people support him because they are frustrated with the status quo, and he is seen as opposing it. Some people even describe him as ‘anti-corporate’ despite the fact that his extreme economic libertarianism, if ever put into practice, would undoubtedly increase the power of corporations.

Some argue in this connection that the old distinction between ‘right’ and ‘left’ is no longer relevant. And it is indeed accurate to say that the right/left distinction should not be seen as a unitary dimension. People can be right vs left on a number of different issues, and different asp. Four important ones are: war/defence; economic/welfare; civil liberties; and social/ civil rights.

So here is where I would rate Bush, Blair and Paul:

Bush:

War/defence: Extreme right

Economic/welfare: Right

Civil liberties: Right

Social/civil rights: Right



Blair:

War/defence: Extreme right

Economic/welfare: Centre-right by British standards (i.e. to the left of Thatcher, but to the right of moderate Tories of the past such as Harold Macmillan)

Civil liberties: Right

Social/civil rights: Centre-left.


Paul:

War/defence: Left on Iraq war, but right on other aspects of world policies

Economic/welfare: Extreme right (could go no further right)

Civil liberties: Left with regard to Federal government infringements of civil liberties; Right with regard to such infringements by state governments or private organizations.

Social/civil rights: Extreme right.


So Blair overall is to the left of either Paul or Bush, but to the right of what I'd find acceptable. Paul and Bush are both thoroughly right-wing. Bush is right-wing on more issues; Paul is more extreme on the issues where he is right-wing.. If Bush is more dangerous than Paul, it's simply because he has more power.



What is frightening here is not so much Paul as a fairly powerless individual, but that some supposedly liberal anti-war people seem to be prepared to ally themselves with RW extremists, if they happen to be against the war. If this leads to liberals' acceptance of a combination of far-RW economic 'libertarianism', social conservativism, and xenophobia, this could have serious impact for future politics. Some of the danger is, I think, not so much from Paul himself, as from the groups and websites that support him. I fear that Paul and other of his ilk may appeal to disaffected progressives in a way that could get them to join a far-right movement without initially realizing that it *is* far-right.

Some of the original fascist organizations/ parties appealed to some left-wingers and lots of apolitical disaffected people at first, and this contributed to their success. And communism was and is of course 'left-wing' in its original impetus, but most Communist states ended up, according to the above classification: "War/defense: Right; Economic/welfare: Left; Civil liberties: Extreme right; Social/civil rights: Right".

I don't think that the particular form of right-wing movement that Paul represents is likely to lead to old-style fascism or other totalitarianism – though such things might be possible if different right-wing movements joined under one umbrella; but it could readily lead to a xenophobic scapegoating of ‘outsiders’ and to a far-right economic libertarianism that murders the poor or sick just as surely, if a bit more slowly, as an act of direct violence. It is important that progressives avoid getting involved, directly or indirectly, in such a movement. That is my real concern. Once the distinction between progressivism and far-right populism is blurred, dangerous hybrids could grow and readily spread to other parts of the world. I fear that an alliance between progressives and Paul supporters could be a step on a slippery slope to forming links with far-RW nationalist groups and individuals that oppose the war, such as Pat Buchanan; the British Nationalist Party; Jean-Marie LePen; even David Duke; etc. If that happens, and such groups gain respectability, especially in the eyes of people on the 'left', we may be sunk!


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  Ron Paul - What is the DU consensus on him? Liberation Angel  Jul-15-09 10:14 AM   #0 
   He's a racist wacko.  saltpoint   Jul-15-09 10:15 AM   #1 
   +1 n/t  FSogol   Jul-15-09 10:16 AM   #5 
   With a heaping side of homophobia  tridim   Jul-15-09 10:19 AM   #12 
   He's a bleak bloke, that's for sure. Kind of barren of flourish, kind of  saltpoint   Jul-15-09 10:20 AM   #13 
   details on his homophobia?  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 10:30 AM   #26 
      Link  tridim   Jul-15-09 10:32 AM   #32 
         Thanks - Brilliant link  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:16 AM   #57 
   My thoughts, exactly. He has even written a few racist op-eds...  kjackson227   Jul-15-09 10:40 AM   #41 
   Wadda ya mean vote for him for dog catcher??  icnorth   Jul-15-09 05:00 PM   #158 
   Yup. Exactly! nt  JerseygirlCT   Jul-15-09 11:17 AM   #58 
   And yet he's more of an honest conservative in some ways...  Orsino   Jul-15-09 12:02 PM   #87 
   Small government, until it comes to a woman's right to control her own body or marriage equality.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-15-09 12:14 PM   #93 
   He has his moments, or at least he seems to, but even in the televised  saltpoint   Jul-15-09 09:41 PM   #165 
   I liked his cameo in BRUNO  musiclawyer   Jul-15-09 12:24 PM   #99 
      No, he got trolled. Big time.  Mayberry Machiavelli   Jul-15-09 11:31 PM   #175 
   ...  MNDemNY   Jul-15-09 10:15 AM   #2 
   A fair number of DUers like the bigot.  BlooInBloo   Jul-15-09 10:15 AM   #3 
   To be fair, a lot of DUers appreciated his stance on the war  el_bryanto   Jul-15-09 10:20 AM   #15 
   LOL! The same number were also crazy about lou dobbs...  Kahuna   Jul-15-09 11:22 AM   #63 
   Ron Paul.  gorfle   Jul-15-09 10:16 AM   #4 
   And then they should all march over a cliff  ProudDad   Jul-15-09 04:51 PM   #155 
   fucktard  Oregone   Jul-15-09 10:16 AM   #6 
   He's fine if you like crazy people  Warpy   Jul-15-09 10:17 AM   #7 
   Racist crackpot.  Odin2005   Jul-15-09 10:17 AM   #8 
   To get a feel for how DU feels use the Google function at the top right  maddezmomDU Moderator   Jul-15-09 10:18 AM   # 
   Thanks Maddezmom  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 10:26 AM   #19 
   I've never used that..thanks.  Cha   Jul-15-09 12:22 PM   #98 
   Hmm  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 10:18 AM   #9 
   And...  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 10:19 AM   #10 
   GOP version of Kucinich..both too crazy (and truthful) to ever win a statewide or national office  scheming daemons   Jul-15-09 10:19 AM   #11 
   Uhm ... NO.  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 10:25 AM   #17 
   didn't say their views were same... they are similar in that they're the "crazy uncle in the attic"  scheming daemons   Jul-15-09 10:32 AM   #31 
   Yeah...  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 10:46 AM   #43 
   Ok... some clarification  scheming daemons   Jul-15-09 11:30 AM   #73 
   To simplify  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 01:19 PM   #121 
   See post #78..... and then I expect an apology  scheming daemons   Jul-15-09 12:29 PM   #105 
      So do I.  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 01:27 PM   #122 
         Kucinich wanted to have Paul as his running mate... case closed  scheming daemons   Jul-15-09 01:37 PM   #128 
            Yeah...screw the issues.  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 01:56 PM   #131 
   No, you said Ron Paul was "too truthful" to win a national election.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-16-09 01:03 AM   #183 
   Um, Moonbeam McCrazypants wanted Ron Paul as his running mate.  BlooInBloo   Jul-15-09 12:29 PM   #106 
   Who do people insist that r0N pAuL is anything like Kucinich?  ColbertWatcher   Jul-15-09 03:05 PM   #137 
      No he isn't.  TheWatcher   Jul-16-09 03:02 AM   #186 
   He is a libertarian-Randian nutjob.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-15-09 10:20 AM   #14 
   Randian?  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 10:32 AM   #30 
      Ayn Rand. Author of such tendentious, tiresome tomes as  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-15-09 10:40 AM   #40 
         Horribly shitty writer.  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 11:14 AM   #54 
         Almost unreadable, Rand is. I waded through her crap  MineralMan   Jul-15-09 11:28 AM   #71 
         Oy thanks  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:14 AM   #55 
   Strong against reproductive choice  get the red out   Jul-15-09 10:24 AM   #16 
   Wack job! N/T  obliviously   Jul-15-09 10:25 AM   #18 
   Well, I don't think he's a Sacha Baron Cohen fan...nt  SidDithers   Jul-15-09 10:27 AM   #20 
   We're against him.  Starry Messenger   Jul-15-09 10:27 AM   #21 
   Anybody got good links handy?  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 10:27 AM   #22 
   Google is your friend.  MineralMan   Jul-15-09 10:30 AM   #25 
      yeah but a DU snapshot is what i was hoping for plus I can ask questions  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 10:31 AM   #28 
         And you see the results.  MineralMan   Jul-15-09 10:36 AM   #36 
         +1  Mrs. Overall   Jul-15-09 11:04 AM   #51 
         I am contemplating working with someone who is a ron paul fan  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:12 AM   #53 
         DU is much, much gnarlier than Google. Just wait.  Mrs. Overall   Jul-15-09 11:20 AM   #60 
         this is classic  hiphopnation   Jul-15-09 03:47 PM   #145 
         Yep. It seems clear now.  BlooInBloo   Jul-15-09 11:22 AM   #61 
         Yeah, I think you are after a few DU snapshots.  Mrs. Overall   Jul-15-09 11:03 AM   #49 
            +1...nt  SidDithers   Jul-15-09 11:04 AM   #50 
            whose a ron paul supporter and whose not?  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:25 AM   #67 
               Really? You are liberating people from fascists and fascism??  Mrs. Overall   Jul-15-09 11:31 AM   #74 
                  Yeah, I'm an antifascist activist and People who "follow" me on threads  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:51 AM   #79 
                     Yep, you got your Clinton dig in on another thread and now you say "Barack Blessed"--  Mrs. Overall   Jul-15-09 11:59 AM   #83 
                        Barak literally means "blessed" in arabic. In Hebrew it is "Baruch"  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 12:18 PM   #96 
   Is there a "DU consensus" on anything? nt  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-15-09 10:28 AM   #23 
   Ask the unwreckers. ; )  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 10:29 AM   #24 
   Hmm...  MineralMan   Jul-15-09 10:31 AM   #27 
   kittens  Blue_Tires   Jul-15-09 10:36 AM   #35 
      OK.  RaleighNCDUer   Jul-15-09 11:24 AM   #66 
   I would encourage you to go to...  TCJ70   Jul-15-09 10:32 AM   #29 
   Thanks I will  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:27 AM   #68 
      He's in the video...  TCJ70   Jul-15-09 03:22 PM   #139 
   He's an excellent way of splitting of even more voters from the Republican Party  Phoonzang   Jul-15-09 10:35 AM   #33 
   good point  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:28 AM   #70 
   nutbar whose politics are absurd more than left or right  Blue_Tires   Jul-15-09 10:35 AM   #34 
   Wack job....  Hepburn   Jul-15-09 10:37 AM   # 
   Links:  superduperfarleft   Jul-15-09 10:37 AM   #37 
   Perfect summation with great links thrown in.  blondeatlast   Jul-15-09 04:19 PM   #147 
   Right Wing whackjob.  Iggo   Jul-15-09 10:37 AM   #38 
   He's a mixed bag. Sometimes he's lucid, sometimes he's quite nuts.  alfredo   Jul-15-09 10:38 AM   #39 
   Racist , Homophobic SCUMBAG...  Earth Bound Misfit   Jul-15-09 10:45 AM   #42 
   He horrifies me. Here's a mini-essay that I wrote about him about a year ago  LeftishBrit   Jul-15-09 10:50 AM   #44 
   Great essay - thanks  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:55 AM   #82 
   Probably no consensus  zipplewrath   Jul-15-09 10:54 AM   #45 
   The only thing that Paul has in common with Jefferson...  LeftishBrit   Jul-15-09 11:00 AM   #48 
      Ha!  zipplewrath   Jul-15-09 11:48 AM   #77 
   Bat shit insane.  Deep13   Jul-15-09 10:56 AM   #46 
   Anti-Federal Reserve, pro-Gold standard, anti-government, anti-corporate, anti-war  Recursion   Jul-15-09 10:58 AM   #47 
   You left out anti-women, anti-gay, and anti-minority.  laconicsax   Jul-15-09 12:10 PM   #91 
   How is trashing OSHA and environmental protections anti-corporate?  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-15-09 12:26 PM   #100 
      That's not what's anti-corporate about him  Recursion   Jul-15-09 01:58 PM   #132 
         Well you should add "anti-worker" to his list of accomplishments then.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-15-09 04:35 PM   #150 
            Yeah, he's anti-labor  Recursion   Jul-15-09 04:40 PM   #151 
   He's no Arlen Specter (D!) or Evan Bayh (D?), that's for sure!  Romulox   Jul-15-09 11:07 AM   #52 
   He's against the war  Mz Pip   Jul-15-09 11:14 AM   #56 
   Correct on legalizing drugs. Correct about being against the Iraq War and correct about the Federal  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-15-09 11:18 AM   #59 
   stopped clock pretty much covers it. That and batshit crazy  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:52 AM   #80 
   Here's a good link.  immoderate   Jul-15-09 11:22 AM   #62 
   THX  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:27 AM   #69 
      Y' welcome.  immoderate   Jul-15-09 12:02 PM   #86 
   Nut job  Stop Cornyn   Jul-15-09 11:23 AM   #64 
   Batshit crazy  dropkickpa   Jul-15-09 11:23 AM   #65 
   ...and that's dissing the bats!  Terry in Austin   Jul-15-09 12:08 PM   #90 
   Batshit crazy with a few good ideas  slackmaster   Jul-15-09 11:29 AM   #72 
   Nuttier than a fruitcake.  graywarrior   Jul-15-09 11:32 AM   #75 
   He's the only Repuke I like. Is against Imperialism and the War.  harun   Jul-15-09 11:37 AM   #76 
   Kucinich wanted him to be his running mate...  ecstatic   Jul-15-09 11:49 AM   #78 
   yikes really?  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 12:00 PM   #84 
   They've been personal friends for a while  Recursion   Jul-15-09 02:00 PM   #133 
   Wow, I didn't know this!  kjackson227   Jul-15-09 12:00 PM   #85 
   Oh my god. I couldn't believe it until I found him actually saying this himself.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-15-09 12:11 PM   #92 
   Wonderful. Says a lot about DK's supporters  BlooInBloo   Jul-15-09 12:16 PM   #95 
   I WAS a DK supporter but this makes me kind of regret it  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 12:27 PM   #102 
   See post #11 and followups.... and the dude said *I* was slamming Kucinich  scheming daemons   Jul-15-09 12:27 PM   #101 
   :)  BlooInBloo   Jul-15-09 12:30 PM   #107 
   Really?  kenfrequed   Jul-15-09 01:50 PM   #130 
   One of Ayn Rand's dingleberries  Stevenmarc   Jul-15-09 11:54 AM   #81 
   Nuttier than a squirrel turd  Botany   Jul-15-09 12:02 PM   #88 
   I don't know about DU but I think he's a bag of hot gas.  devilgrrl   Jul-15-09 12:04 PM   #89 
   Here's a snapshot for you: a snapshot of ME  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 12:14 PM   #94 
   hmmm. so you say you're "pro-choice".  musette_sf   Jul-15-09 12:53 PM   #116 
      Please see post #96 above.  Mrs. Overall   Jul-15-09 01:01 PM   #119 
      I believe it is a constitutional right (federal)  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 01:29 PM   #123 
         i just wanted to make sure you weren't a Paulbot  musette_sf   Jul-15-09 01:39 PM   #129 
            cool -- not at all  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 02:50 PM   #135 
   Ron Paul is a nut and a hypocrite.  Lasher   Jul-15-09 12:21 PM   #97 
   LOL @ your picture there.  SemiCharmedQuark   Jul-15-09 12:27 PM   #103 
   Paulards didn't like it when I used it during 2008 primaries.  Lasher   Jul-15-09 12:34 PM   #110 
   "credible libertarians"  musette_sf   Jul-15-09 12:28 PM   #104 
      OK, got me there.  Lasher   Jul-15-09 12:32 PM   #109 
         they have no solutions  musette_sf   Jul-15-09 12:41 PM   #112 
            Ha ha! OK I just changed it to 'other libertarians'.  Lasher   Jul-15-09 12:51 PM   #115 
   He doesn't believe in evolution  taught_me_patience   Jul-15-09 12:31 PM   #108 
   Pros and Cons  noamnety   Jul-15-09 12:39 PM   #111 
   A boil on the ass of politics  Stinky The Clown   Jul-15-09 12:43 PM   #113 
   Well idiot comes to mind...  Fearless   Jul-15-09 12:46 PM   #114 
   He made such absolute perfect sense regarding the Iraq war.  OnionPatch   Jul-15-09 12:54 PM   #117 
   You expect to find consensus at DU?  LWolf   Jul-15-09 12:59 PM   #118 
   So, reading the OP, I did a Google News search on Ron Paul...  Junkdrawer   Jul-15-09 01:10 PM   #120 
   Good catch. nt  LWolf   Jul-15-09 01:29 PM   #124 
   I wanted pros and cons, not just trashing Ron Paul  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 01:32 PM   #125 
   He's being trashed because there ARE NO PROs...  ProudDad   Jul-15-09 04:56 PM   #157 
   good catch, indeed  hiphopnation   Jul-15-09 03:26 PM   #141 
   karl rove and barney frank agree! LOL  hiphopnation   Jul-15-09 03:39 PM   #144 
   Kinda like they did here with Sarah Palin. Very good catch, thanks. nt  blondeatlast   Jul-15-09 04:24 PM   #148 
   Sort of - a well reasoned response like yours helps  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 01:33 PM   #126 
      Any time. nt  LWolf   Jul-15-09 05:12 PM   #159 
   PRON HAUL is the political equivalent of a stopped clock.  Arkana   Jul-15-09 01:34 PM   #127 
   adorable loonytunes?  librechik   Jul-15-09 02:00 PM   #134 
   tool. n/t  Iris   Jul-15-09 02:53 PM   #136 
   He Claims to be a Libertarian  LAGC   Jul-15-09 03:19 PM   #138 
   Way anti-choice. Not quite Stormfront but pretty damn racist nonetheless.  KamaAina   Jul-15-09 03:24 PM   #140 
   An absolute bald-faced liar.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jul-15-09 03:28 PM   #142 
   would you be so kind as to share some of YOUR research  hiphopnation   Jul-15-09 03:32 PM   #143 
   +1. nt  blondeatlast   Jul-15-09 04:26 PM   #149 
   okay hip hop nation  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 04:41 PM   #152 
      you crack me up  hiphopnation   Jul-15-09 05:16 PM   #160 
         Well put!  blondeatlast   Jul-15-09 08:48 PM   #162 
         Believe what you want but I do NOT support Ron Paul  Liberation Angel   Jul-15-09 11:05 PM   #171 
   Racist, nationalistic, sexist, homophobic, scary asshole. nt  blondeatlast   Jul-15-09 04:12 PM   #146 
   Ron Paul is GREAT... for those who hate us poor people  bobbolink   Jul-15-09 04:43 PM   #153 
   The ONLY thing he's been "right" about...  ProudDad   Jul-15-09 04:50 PM   #154 
   I think  SleeplessInAlabama   Jul-15-09 04:54 PM   #156 
   He's right on Foreign Policy and the Federal Reserve  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-15-09 05:22 PM   #161 
   "Pretend other countries don't exist" is not a reasonable foreign policy.  Occam Bandage   Jul-15-09 10:16 PM   #169 
   Fucking looney  NoPasaran   Jul-15-09 08:56 PM   #163 
   Nutter nt  realisticphish   Jul-15-09 09:21 PM   #164 
   He was unintentionally funny in Brüno  Freddie Stubbs   Jul-15-09 10:08 PM   #166 
   18th-century throwback turd. nt  Occam Bandage   Jul-15-09 10:10 PM   #167 
   Belfry Loads  ThoughtCriminal   Jul-15-09 10:14 PM   #168 
   What If Ron Paul Is Correct?  Boddingham   Jul-15-09 10:58 PM   #170 
   Very good points! And welcome to DU!  CRF450   Jul-15-09 11:16 PM   #172 
   Generally speaking, the State Governments are more corrupt (cheaper to buy).  Laelth   Jul-15-09 11:28 PM   #174 
      Isn't that the fault of the people?  Boddingham   Jul-15-09 11:38 PM   #176 
         It is the people's fault.  Laelth   Jul-15-09 11:56 PM   #177 
            Yes.  Boddingham   Jul-16-09 12:04 AM   #179 
               At least we can vote the party in power out from time to time.  Laelth   Jul-16-09 12:18 AM   #181 
               That's not an inheirent problem with the federal government, though  krispos42DU Moderator   Jul-16-09 02:40 AM   #185 
   and UPI402 shrugged  upi402   Jul-15-09 11:22 PM   #173 
   A very ignoble person, but an ignorer of History and Reality.  johnaries   Jul-16-09 12:01 AM   #178 
   I don't know where you got this.  Boddingham   Jul-16-09 12:13 AM   #180 
   Racist homophobic bigot.  Clintonista2   Jul-16-09 12:18 AM   #182 
   Ron Paul = KKK  Kievan Rus   Jul-16-09 01:08 AM   #184 
   One of the better right-wingers  mp9200   Jul-16-09 05:55 AM   #187 
 

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