starroute
(1000+ posts)
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Sun Jul-12-09 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #3 |
| 15. Except for Wayne Madsen and the LaRouchies, it's probably all true |
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As a result of looking into Bush family history and related matters, I've come to several conclusions:
1) Support for fascism -- or at least for a kind of Americanized fascism-lite -- was extremely widespread among American business leaders in the 1930's. Some actively endorsed Nazi racial ideology or funded domestic fascist groups. Some merely looked to Germany for a model of a government that would overturn the New Deal and destroy the unions.
2) When the US entered World War II, a deal was struck with these near-traitorous corporations. They would help in the war effort and all would be forgiven. Then, following the war, there was a massive re-writing of history to conceal the inconvenient facts of what had gone before. In this sense, Orwell's 1984 wasn't prediction -- it was a straightforward description of what was happening as he wrote in 1948.
In this rewritten version of history, the Republicans' only fault in the 1930's had been excess devotion to Hooverian economics. They and the corporate elite had never been disloyal, never turned against democracy, never looked approvingly at Hitler. The nation had always been unified where it counted and had responded seamlessly during World War II.
3) Until about 1953, there were still plenty of people who knew what was what and weren't afraid to call a spade a spade. But after Eisenhower was elected and Dulles became head of the CIA, this rewritten history was ruthlessly imposed. Much of Operation Mockingbird had to do with cementing it into place. At the same time, it became unacceptable to call extremist forces in the United States "fascist." You could decry McCarthyism or the hijinks of right-wing oil millionaires, but expressing the idea that the f-word might apply to Americans was considered almost a form of libel.
At its mildest, this was a kind of deal between the right and left -- we won't call you communists if you won't call us fascists. At its worst, it was more like a threat -- of course we're not fascists, and only a dirty commie would suggest we were.
4) There have been cracks in the we-were-never-fascists myth from time to time. The explicit reliance of the John Birch Society on fascist conspiracy theories. The willingness of movement conservatives in the US to associate with outright fascists in Latin America in the 1970s and 80's. But those have never gotten any traction. The power of the myth is too strong.
But the history of the Family lays the whole thing out too clearly to ignore -- from its fascist-lite origins in 1935 to its wartime re-imagining of itself as a patriotic organization bent on bipartisan religious uplift to its maintenance of clearly fascist doctrines for its elite inner circle. I still have no hope that the MSM will ever acknowledge this, but it's time for us to start putting the real nature of the extreme right in context.
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Surprising number of Family members and "friends" played key roles as founding members of the DLC : |
mod mom |
Jul-12-09 11:30 AM |
#0 |

Scary - but also a good case for a viable third party. nt |
polichick |
Jul-12-09 11:34 AM |
#1 |
 
Great idea - However, people have been talking about a "viable" third party for years in |
LaPera |
Jul-12-09 08:10 PM |
#39 |
  
You're right about the two parties stacking the deck... |
polichick |
Jul-12-09 09:04 PM |
#45 |
 
We're workin' on it...(n/t) |
ProudDad |
Jul-13-09 12:43 AM |
#58 |

More proof that the DLC are not Democrats. |
baldguy |
Jul-12-09 11:35 AM |
#2 |
 
Hell, most Democrats |
femrap |
Jul-12-09 11:59 PM |
#52 |

I just read a bunch of articles on "The Family"... |
CoffeeCat |
Jul-12-09 11:38 AM |
#3 |
 
Some journalist needs to nail them down and ask the tough questions! |
mod mom |
Jul-12-09 11:39 AM |
#4 |
  
Jeff Sharlet wrote a book last year... |
Luminous Animal |
Jul-12-09 11:57 AM |
#9 |
 
Here's the interview I heard on NPR's Fresh Air (also worth listening to): |
mod mom |
Jul-12-09 12:08 PM |
#10 |
 
Except for Wayne Madsen and the LaRouchies, it's probably all true |
starroute |
Jul-12-09 12:43 PM |
#15 |
 
Remember . . . this is global fascism . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-13-09 01:43 AM |
#63 |

I owe a friend an apology |
get the red out |
Jul-12-09 11:40 AM |
#5 |

They're pretty clear about their motives, I think. |
elleng |
Jul-12-09 11:42 AM |
#6 |

The Family is a Brokerage of Piety -- trading political favors for pious lip service. disgusting. nt |
nashville_brook |
Jul-12-09 11:49 AM |
#7 |
 
they are the money changers in the temple, |
mopinko |
Jul-12-09 12:21 PM |
#13 |

amen! OT -- the movie" Jesus of Montreal" has the best money-changer-in-the-Temple scene, EVER! |
nashville_brook |
Jul-12-09 07:52 PM |
#35 |
 
An excellent film ! |
RagAss |
Jul-12-09 07:58 PM |
#38 |

Is The Family |
femrap |
Jul-13-09 12:08 AM |
#53 |

No. Do not paint it that way. |
kenfrequed |
Jul-13-09 10:21 AM |
#70 |
 
I get the feeling |
femrap |
Jul-13-09 01:13 PM |
#75 |

do you equate moneychangers with jews? |
mopinko |
Jul-13-09 01:11 PM |
#74 |

You spoke of the |
femrap |
Jul-13-09 01:35 PM |
#76 |

extraordinary article. (make sure to read the entire thing!) |
inna |
Jul-12-09 11:55 AM |
#8 |

Not Surprised In The Least |
Me. |
Jul-12-09 12:08 PM |
#11 |

Not for me to judge, but the actions that come from people that believe doctrine like the family |
RandomThoughts |
Jul-12-09 12:18 PM |
#12 |
 
"Seem to end up creating bad things": |
mod mom |
Jul-12-09 12:24 PM |
#14 |

I keep wondering if the Family has ties to the current Honduran coup |
starroute |
Jul-12-09 01:16 PM |
#18 |

The list that needs to be booted out of our party |
DJ13 |
Jul-12-09 12:51 PM |
#16 |
 
So who will replace them based on their constituency - a liberal dem or conservative GOPer? |
stray cat |
Jul-12-09 12:54 PM |
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If they are booted out their financial resources needs to be confiscated. |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-12-09 01:19 PM |
#19 |
  
Don't we have a huge deficit? Why should their political agenda be tax exempt? |
mod mom |
Jul-12-09 01:20 PM |
#20 |
 
Good idea!!! nt |
femrap |
Jul-13-09 12:15 AM |
#54 |
 
Which ones are co-sponsors for or support EFCA and HB 676? |
LiberalFighter |
Jul-12-09 01:33 PM |
#23 |
 
A veritable "who's who" of obstructionist turn-coats and thieves. |
Greyhound |
Jul-12-09 04:21 PM |
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Funny how the DLC boosters here |
Moochy |
Jul-12-09 05:42 PM |
#31 |
 
Why should we waste our time flinging poo with leftwing wackos? |
NoPasaran |
Jul-12-09 08:15 PM |
#40 |
 
Brave, Brave NoPasaran! |
Moochy |
Jul-12-09 08:20 PM |
#42 |
 
Oh really? |
kenfrequed |
Jul-13-09 02:13 AM |
#65 |
 
Why did you leave off Hillary Clinton? |
Capn Sunshine |
Jul-12-09 06:26 PM |
#32 |
  
PLEASE check out this fascinating link |
PainPerdu |
Jul-12-09 07:05 PM |
#33 |
  
Because she's no longer a Senator? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-12-09 10:03 PM |
#49 |
  
Because she voted the other way - thus would hurt their statistics. |
karynnj |
Jul-13-09 12:17 AM |
#55 |
 
thank you for this |
fascisthunter |
Jul-12-09 09:25 PM |
#47 |

Gee! You mean the Democratic Party has been infiltrated--nay, HIJACKED!-- |
leftofthedial |
Jul-12-09 01:23 PM |
#21 |

K&R |
bobthedrummer |
Jul-12-09 01:31 PM |
#22 |

What bothers me the most about this... |
CoffeeCat |
Jul-12-09 01:37 PM |
#24 |
 
+1! n/t |
juno jones |
Jul-12-09 03:21 PM |
#25 |
 
K&R, excellent description of what drives these people... |
AntiFascist |
Jul-12-09 03:54 PM |
#26 |
 
This should be an op so more people will see it. Well done! nt |
polichick |
Jul-12-09 09:31 PM |
#48 |
 
It's patriarchy hiding behind their invented organized patriarchal religion . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-13-09 01:46 AM |
#64 |

Paging Symbolman... I keep hearing Sister Sledge's "We Are Family" when this topic comes up... |
cascadiance |
Jul-12-09 04:22 PM |
#28 |
 
I like to play videos, but I don't make them, and I am unaware of any editing in all but a few vids |
RandomThoughts |
Jul-12-09 05:26 PM |
#30 |

KNR...keep the light on these COCKROACHES IN THEIR CULT |
Mari333 |
Jul-12-09 04:26 PM |
#29 |

K&R (nt) |
Autumn Colors |
Jul-12-09 07:10 PM |
#34 |

Scary shit!!! |
BrklynLiberal |
Jul-12-09 07:54 PM |
#36 |

K&R |
Moochy |
Jul-12-09 07:57 PM |
#37 |

some more info on 'the family' |
Shallah Kali |
Jul-12-09 08:17 PM |
#41 |
 
Wow that's quite a list. Thank you Shallah Kali! |
mod mom |
Jul-12-09 10:27 PM |
#51 |
 
I must mark this post for future reference. |
snake in the grass |
Jul-13-09 11:47 AM |
#73 |

K&R |
me b zola |
Jul-12-09 08:22 PM |
#43 |

Rep. Bart Stupak from Michigan has some splaining to do. |
Faygo Kid |
Jul-12-09 08:55 PM |
#44 |

holy crap... America has a huge problem on its hands |
fascisthunter |
Jul-12-09 09:15 PM |
#46 |

Holy F-Ing Sh*t!!! |
Odin2005 |
Jul-12-09 10:14 PM |
#50 |

Money for banksters and monsters. Zip for the middle classes and poor. |
Octafish |
Jul-13-09 12:20 AM |
#56 |

So..it seems that the Dems |
femrap |
Jul-13-09 12:24 AM |
#57 |

I'd bet good money the DLC put Obama in office. Oh and btw, Rahm Emanuel is a DLC member. |
earth mom |
Jul-13-09 12:43 AM |
#59 |
 
The list from 2006: |
earth mom |
Jul-13-09 12:51 AM |
#60 |
 
... |
earth mom |
Jul-13-09 08:23 AM |
#68 |
 
Yep. Obama just moved away from the DLC in the primaries b/c he knew it was a bad brand. |
rudy23 |
Jul-13-09 10:25 AM |
#71 |

Yeah, Obama dodged that one didn't he? But it didn't stop him from hiring Emanuel. |
earth mom |
Jul-13-09 07:10 PM |
#78 |

...... |
earth mom |
Jul-14-09 01:40 AM |
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K&R |
valerief |
Jul-13-09 12:51 AM |
#61 |

DLC exists to co-opt what's left of the Democratic Party and move it to the right . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jul-13-09 01:42 AM |
#62 |

What does DLC stand for.? |
pam4water |
Jul-13-09 03:04 AM |
#66 |
 
Democratic Leadership Council, but they not officially apart of the Democratic National Committee. |
Selatius |
Jul-13-09 03:15 AM |
#67 |
 
DINOs who Love Corporations |
mod mom |
Jul-13-09 08:31 AM |
#69 |

Do you remember |
edc |
Jul-13-09 10:57 AM |
#72 |

are you telling me that a violent, conservative, secretive group that demands total obedience and |
MisterP |
Jul-13-09 01:39 PM |
#77 |