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182. Good! Next they need to ban tail and ear docking in dogs.
It kills me to look at my sweet, happy mutt and her sad little stump of a tail, and know that some jackass decided to cut off her tail when she was a puppy...and then later decided they didn't want her anymore. She's a husky/akita mix, neither of which is a typically docked breed, so I can't even imagine what the hell their motivation was!
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  -San Francisco to Consider Cat De-Clawing Ban The Straight Story  Jul-11-09 04:51 PM   #0 
  - then they should also ban bobbing dog's tails and ears.  dysfunctional press   Jul-11-09 04:56 PM   #1 
  - I agree on all counts. We also have one cat who needed surgery but he kept his unaffected claws.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-11-09 05:18 PM   #18 
  - and all pugs, bulldogs and other smushed nose breeds that have breathing problems.  slampoet   Jul-11-09 06:00 PM   #33 
  - Totally agree....  Hepburn   Jul-11-09 06:44 PM   #50 
  - they certainly should  harmonicon   Jul-12-09 12:23 AM   #151 
  - Absolutely agreed. I have a beautiful, pound adopted Soft Coated Wheaten  blondeatlast   Jul-12-09 04:12 PM   #190 
     - okay, i'll bite- why do you oppose the ban on declawing cats...?  dysfunctional press   Jul-12-09 04:29 PM   #192 
        - I'm not in favor of declawing but a ban isn't acceptable to me  blondeatlast   Jul-12-09 04:40 PM   #193 
           - the ban allows for medical necessity.  dysfunctional press   Jul-12-09 04:46 PM   #195 
  - Good! n/t  EFerrari   Jul-11-09 04:57 PM   #2 
  - I always thought declawing cats would confuse them...  BlooInBloo   Jul-11-09 04:59 PM   #3 
  - From evidence researched in a number of areas  hyphenate   Jul-11-09 05:14 PM   #14 
     - My cat is declawed and is a biter - it's her only defense  gristy   Jul-11-09 05:36 PM   #28 
     - We had a cat  Dorian Gray   Jul-13-09 01:44 AM   #203 
     - My cat is de-clawed - sweetest little thing you can imagine  raincity_calling   Jul-11-09 10:04 PM   #147 
     - You're lucky  hyphenate   Jul-12-09 08:46 PM   #199 
     - My best friend adopted a young stray declawed cat that he found a little over a year ago.  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:15 AM   #166 
        - It's that way with most cats  hyphenate   Jul-12-09 08:42 PM   #198 
  - I think declawing should be allowed on one condition.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-11-09 05:02 PM   #4 
  - Actually trimming the nails can sever the vain inside the nail  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 05:05 PM   #7 
     - Not really, if you mean the quick  REP   Jul-11-09 05:13 PM   #13 
     - Agreed - I've trimmed cat nails for a good decade and not hit the quick. nt  litlady   Jul-11-09 05:17 PM   #17 
     - It can, but only if the nails are cut too short.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-11-09 05:41 PM   #29 
     - I am very skittish about clipping our cats nails and won't do it  davidpdx   Jul-11-09 07:53 PM   #100 
     - Yes it can.  Dappleganger   Jul-11-09 08:34 PM   #129 
     - Realize that even if SF institutes a ban there would be exceptions for medical necessity.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-11-09 09:14 PM   #142 
     - I've Been Trimming Kitty Nails For 30 Years. Never Even Close  ProfessorGAC   Jul-13-09 05:15 PM   #207 
  - I can not imagine what my furniture and my legs would look like  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 05:04 PM   #5 
  - My furniture looks fine with 5 unmutilated cats  REP   Jul-11-09 05:10 PM   #10 
  - +1 ...... - 4 unmutilated indoor cats here  Maru Kitteh   Jul-11-09 05:19 PM   # 
  - 3 cats here, 6 others over the past 20 years  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 05:48 PM   #30 
  - Yeah, all the ones I have had have been fine...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:19 PM   #39 
  - Four here too. No problems. The EU has already banned paw mutilation  Lorien   Jul-11-09 09:11 PM   #141 
  - You must be a fan of Maru, the WonderCat with the bag on his head,  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:24 AM   #167 
     - OMG. I'm *DYING* over here! That Maru looks JUST LIKE my Maru !! (pic)  Maru Kitteh   Jul-12-09 04:08 PM   #189 
     - Your Maru is beautiful! nt  tblue37   Jul-12-09 04:51 PM   #197 
     - You forgot one!  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-13-09 01:09 AM   #202 
        - Actually, I had never even seen that one. Thanks! It's  tblue37   Jul-13-09 07:27 AM   #204 
  - I remember years ago, I had a wicker clothes hamper  hyphenate   Jul-11-09 05:19 PM   #19 
  - 5 here as well...  litlady   Jul-11-09 05:32 PM   #27 
  - Shelters are full of poor kitties  MzNov   Jul-11-09 06:04 PM   #35 
     - I train my cats with finger snaps. A snap, accompanied by a  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:27 AM   #168 
        - exactly! nt  MzNov   Jul-12-09 11:03 AM   #175 
  - Cats climb and grip things with their claws  FarrenH   Jul-11-09 05:27 PM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-09 05:49 PM   #31 
  - I'm almost with you  REP   Jul-11-09 06:17 PM   #38 
  - The San Francisco SPCA and Pet's Unlimited,  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:02 PM   #66 
     - You are certainly correct about the convenience part  MzNov   Jul-12-09 12:42 AM   #154 
  - Dumb..nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:38 PM   #48 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-09 07:10 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-09 06:21 PM   #40 
  - It's "you're" and they use their front claws to climb  REP   Jul-11-09 06:50 PM   #57 
  - I do not condone the practice however my cat has been  raincity_calling   Jul-11-09 10:09 PM   #148 
  - I mentioned above that I often take care of the stray declawed cat  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:31 AM   #169 
  - No, it is not fine.  MzNov   Jul-11-09 06:02 PM   #34 
  - I am quite educated thanks...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:22 PM   #41 
  - Perhaps, but not about cat mutilation commonly known as declawing. (n/t)  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 06:35 PM   #45 
  - My Cats are not Mutilated...but thanks for your concern..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:36 PM   #46 
     - And instinctual scratching proves what?  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:04 PM   #70 
     - Yes, they instictually stratch like normal...even without front claws..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 07:08 PM   #72 
        - But they can't scratch. I had a mastectomy and I sometimes get an itch  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:19 PM   #81 
     - Yes they are. Just as surely as you would be, if...  anigbrowl   Jul-11-09 09:16 PM   #143 
        - Not the fingernails--the entire finger, up to the first knuckle.  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:35 AM   #170 
  - apparently not, based on your previous posts  harmonicon   Jul-12-09 12:28 AM   #153 
  - Here's a start  MzNov   Jul-12-09 12:53 AM   #159 
  - I certainly appreciate  hyphenate   Jul-12-09 10:36 PM   #200 
  - Become biters?  Dappleganger   Jul-11-09 08:31 PM   #125 
     - Depends on the cat, certainly.  litlady   Jul-11-09 08:33 PM   #128 
     - Happened to one of my friend's cats.  iris27   Jul-12-09 01:09 AM   #161 
  - Get a scratching post and stop complaining  anigbrowl   Jul-11-09 09:11 PM   #140 
  - 1) Domesticated cats belong indoors. 2) My cats claw my stuff and I couldn't care less. nt  Lisa0825   Jul-12-09 12:45 AM   #155 
  - 2 indoor kitties here with claws  tammywammy   Jul-12-09 03:32 PM   #187 
  - Banned in Great Britain. n/t  lindisfarne   Jul-11-09 05:05 PM   #6 
  - Declawing is inhumane and is banned or discouraged in nearly two dozen countries.  litlady   Jul-11-09 05:08 PM   #8 
  - I showed this to my cat, Animal, and she said  Ohio Joe   Jul-11-09 05:10 PM   #9 
  - How pretty! She looks just like my Chessie girl. :-)  Maru Kitteh   Jul-11-09 05:21 PM   #21 
  - Thank you!  Ohio Joe   Jul-11-09 05:31 PM   #25 
  - Wow, what a beauty  chatnoir   Jul-11-09 07:22 PM   #82 
  - Sure, if they ban pit bulls, too! nt  valerief   Jul-11-09 05:12 PM   #11 
  - This has been one of the most divisive topics  hyphenate   Jul-11-09 05:12 PM   #12 
  - This is an excellent point. nt  pyoom   Jul-11-09 05:16 PM   #16 
  - we did it with mine for somewhat different reasons  noamnety   Jul-11-09 05:27 PM   #23 
  - He couldn't wear sleeves around her?**nm  misanthrope   Jul-12-09 12:12 AM   #150 
     - It was his hands as much as his arms  noamnety   Jul-12-09 08:38 AM   #174 
        - Sounds to me like...  misanthrope   Jul-12-09 03:11 PM   #183 
           - We had compromises all around, for sure.  noamnety   Jul-12-09 03:25 PM   #184 
           - Funny  hyphenate   Jul-12-09 11:05 PM   #201 
  - I agree that the place to start is  LWolf   Jul-11-09 06:45 PM   #53 
     - I agree. I think most pet owners care for their pets and just  pyoom   Jul-11-09 06:49 PM   #55 
     - Good points - education is always the key!  litlady   Jul-11-09 06:55 PM   #61 
        - I'd never even heard of soft paws  LWolf   Jul-11-09 07:19 PM   #79 
  - Against the practice for my own cats but a flat-out ban is going  pyoom   Jul-11-09 05:14 PM   #15 
  - I see your point but should pet owners have rights that override those of the animal?  litlady   Jul-11-09 05:26 PM   #22 
  - I'm not sure how to attribute the difference in results.  pyoom   Jul-11-09 05:58 PM   #32 
     - Still have reservations...  litlady   Jul-11-09 06:25 PM   #43 
  - My daughter has a friend whose finger was blown off 2 years ago.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 06:33 PM   #44 
  - complete exaggeration...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:44 PM   #51 
     - "Declawing" is amputation of the cat's toes to first knuckle.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 06:48 PM   #54 
        - Bullshit...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:51 PM   #58 
        - Jesus fucking christ. Yes it is. Know what the fuck you're defending. Google is your friend.  REP   Jul-11-09 06:57 PM   #63 
        - It is an amputation but I haven't personally seen the loss of functionality  pyoom   Jul-11-09 06:57 PM   #64 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-09 07:02 PM   #65 
        - Don't think you were talking to me but just in case...  litlady   Jul-11-09 07:10 PM   #74 
        - So I would assume that you have not had them spayed or neutered either..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 07:19 PM   #80 
           - Of course they are fixed!  litlady   Jul-11-09 07:36 PM   #90 
           - Sorry, but you can not have it both ways...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:00 PM   #103 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-11-09 08:12 PM   #111 
              - I don't want to butt into a private argument here  hyphenate   Jul-13-09 05:05 PM   #205 
           - Fail.  REP   Jul-11-09 07:39 PM   #94 
        - Riiiiiiight, babycakes. Check my profile.  REP   Jul-11-09 07:13 PM   #76 
        - And you know they were fine because they told you so.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:11 PM   #75 
           - I know they were fine because they walked just like cats with claws,  pyoom   Jul-11-09 07:16 PM   #78 
              - So, because the cats you, personally, observed seemed fine...  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:26 PM   #84 
                 - No. What I'm saying is that at least two indoor cats have had the procedure done  pyoom   Jul-11-09 07:32 PM   #86 
                    - The procedure is the same for every cat.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:47 PM   #95 
                       - I have cats with claws intact and although we do have scratching  pyoom   Jul-11-09 07:55 PM   #101 
                          - I don't know why you assume that most cats live indoors in San Francisco  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 08:12 PM   #109 
                             - Well, I assume most cats live indoors in the city because in densely-populated areas  pyoom   Jul-11-09 08:21 PM   #120 
                                - That is because you do not know the terrain of San Francisco.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 08:53 PM   #137 
                                   - Again, like I said, it's highly situational.  pyoom   Jul-11-09 09:08 PM   #139 
        - Closing your mind to the facts does not alter reality.  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-12-09 03:45 PM   #188 
        - It also affects the muscle in this part of the cat's paw.  MzNov   Jul-12-09 12:47 AM   #157 
  - +1 and thank you...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 07:03 PM   #67 
  - I had a cat declawed once 30years ago  azurnoir   Jul-11-09 05:20 PM   #20 
  - It should be banned  Politicalboi   Jul-11-09 05:32 PM   #26 
  - Cruel for a cat to be indoor?  LisaL   Jul-11-09 07:16 PM   #77 
  - Interestingly...  WillowTree   Jul-11-09 08:05 PM   #104 
  - Good! I won't even use a vet that performs the procedure.  flvegan   Jul-11-09 06:09 PM   #36 
  - When i mentioned declawing to him...  AsahinaKimi   Jul-11-09 06:17 PM   #37 
  - Barbaric. Cats are EASILY trained NOT to scratch the furniture  DainBramaged   Jul-11-09 06:24 PM   #42 
  - I bet it is still legal to cut off the tip of human baby's penises. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-11-09 06:38 PM   #47 
  - Only on the males....  Hepburn   Jul-11-09 06:50 PM   #56 
     - Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-11-09 06:51 PM   #59 
        - Really? Many TG people will differ with you.  REP   Jul-11-09 06:55 PM   #62 
           - Oh, come on. That's just petty.  pyoom   Jul-11-09 07:03 PM   #69 
           - So would some unfortunate amputees. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-11-09 07:06 PM   #71 
  - People who want to adopt a cat need to understand that it's a living, breathing creature  Berry Cool   Jul-11-09 06:41 PM   #49 
  - ...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:45 PM   #52 
  - That wasn't explained?  REP   Jul-11-09 06:53 PM   #60 
  - Agreed - many don't want to accept responsibilities of ownership.  litlady   Jul-11-09 07:03 PM   #68 
  - In regards to all the "De-clawing is cruel" crowd....  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 07:26 PM   #83 
  - Can you explain the purpose of spaying and neutering? It is to decrease the number of cats killed.  REP   Jul-11-09 07:31 PM   #85 
  - Well to be fair neutering is castration.  LisaL   Jul-11-09 07:32 PM   #87 
  - That's one way to perform a sterilization  REP   Jul-11-09 07:34 PM   #89 
     - What others? Male cats are castrated.  LisaL   Jul-11-09 07:52 PM   #98 
        - Not implying. Can and are done.  REP   Jul-11-09 08:08 PM   #106 
           - What exactly "can and are done?"  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:16 PM   #115 
              - The stupid. It burns.  REP   Jul-11-09 08:32 PM   #126 
                 - The stupid. It does burn. What about  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:38 PM   #132 
  - Well, devil's advocate here, but declawing also decreases the number of cats killed.  trotsky   Jul-11-09 07:48 PM   #96 
  - +1 Trotsky...thanks..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:09 PM   #107 
  - Not directly; if the cat doesn't exist, it can't be euthanized  REP   Jul-11-09 08:14 PM   #113 
  - Sorry, didn't see the post where you said that.  trotsky   Jul-11-09 08:21 PM   #119 
  - That's not completely accurate.  flvegan   Jul-11-09 08:45 PM   #135 
  - Uh, I think you've got that a little backwards.  trotsky   Jul-12-09 07:24 AM   #172 
  - There are numerous ways to keep a cat from scratching without amputation.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 08:57 PM   #138 
     - Well sure in an ideal world.  trotsky   Jul-12-09 07:25 AM   #173 
     - My cat has allergies so what he scratches is himself.  LisaL   Jul-12-09 01:50 PM   #179 
  - FYI: You're wrong about the surgeons.  noamnety   Jul-11-09 08:37 PM   #131 
  - Hahahaha!!!  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:33 PM   #88 
  - Plus who said anything about not "altering" a cat  REP   Jul-11-09 07:37 PM   #92 
  - Your husband hasn't been castrated I hope?  LisaL   Jul-11-09 07:53 PM   #99 
     - Aahh, just found that out.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 08:06 PM   #105 
     - Vasectomy isn't a great option for an indoor cat because it  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:52 PM   #136 
     - Find out what an orchidectomy is and get back to me  REP   Jul-11-09 08:10 PM   #108 
        - Why don't you read how the procedure is done in animals.  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:12 PM   #110 
           - I obviously know far more about this than you do; you seem to be unaware of much  REP   Jul-11-09 08:18 PM   #116 
              - I provided a link and you just run your mouth.  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:19 PM   #117 
                 - Talk to yourself much, babycakes?  REP   Jul-11-09 08:21 PM   #118 
                    - Hah?  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:24 PM   #121 
                       - I've supported mine. You run. Bless your heart.  REP   Jul-11-09 08:28 PM   #122 
                          - I personally don't think you have a clue about "many, many  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:31 PM   #124 
                             - Bless your heart. I know you don't think.  REP   Jul-11-09 08:32 PM   #127 
                                - Why don't you quit running your mouth and provide links  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:36 PM   #130 
                                   - What are you babbling about?  REP   Jul-11-09 08:40 PM   #133 
                                      - Do you own any cats or dogs?  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:44 PM   #134 
                                      - You might want to do yours  Hallie Burton   Jul-12-09 12:56 PM   #177 
  - Keep trying to justify your cruel decision.  flvegan   Jul-11-09 08:14 PM   #114 
  - Er, yeah. Humans legally have THEMSELVES sterilized, but it is NOT legal for  Lorien   Jul-11-09 09:18 PM   #144 
  - "psychical alteration" - you're a laugh riot!!  harmonicon   Jul-12-09 12:46 AM   #156 
  - Should those in favor of this be compelled to take in every clawed kitty?  Deja Q   Jul-11-09 07:36 PM   #91 
  - I feel as though I have ...  REP   Jul-11-09 07:38 PM   #93 
     - Me, too!  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:50 PM   #97 
        - We currently have ten, down from twelve.  Ikonoklast   Jul-11-09 09:57 PM   #146 
           - Yes! That's it! It's just stuff!  Luminous Animal   Jul-12-09 02:18 AM   #162 
              - Maybe because it's DU and not "rate my space."  LisaL   Jul-12-09 01:48 PM   #178 
  - I agree that declawing is a questionable procedure  davidpdx   Jul-11-09 07:58 PM   #102 
  - a barbaric practice  JitterbugPerfume   Jul-11-09 08:13 PM   #112 
  - Our declawed Maine coon kitty can climb trees...  Dappleganger   Jul-11-09 08:30 PM   #123 
  - I've read that claw damage is the #1 reason that cats get surrendered to shelters, or worse.  elocs   Jul-11-09 09:50 PM   #145 
  - how do you explain all of the declawed cats in shelters then?  harmonicon   Jul-12-09 12:53 AM   #158 
  - You read that, did you?  Luminous Animal   Jul-12-09 02:56 AM   #165 
  - Declawing didn't save my best friend's cat from the shelter.  iris27   Jul-12-09 02:28 PM   #180 
  - My 1 year old orange Tabby Daisy has her claws. She drives me crazy scratching our chairs but I  Jennicut   Jul-11-09 10:28 PM   #149 
  - That is so nice!  Luminous Animal   Jul-12-09 02:48 AM   #163 
  - I thought humans were supposedly the more intelligent animal...  misanthrope   Jul-12-09 12:24 AM   #152 
  - Fine with me...as long as I can still have Tom...circumcised  mitchum   Jul-12-09 01:09 AM   #160 
  - My uncle is a vet and works for Purina, he believes that front declawing is beneficial to cats. n/t  LLStarks   Jul-12-09 02:53 AM   #164 
  - Belated Welcome to DU!  Strong Atheist   Jul-12-09 11:51 AM   #176 
  - What is the benefit?  noamnety   Jul-12-09 03:27 PM   #185 
  - "Beneficial"??  chatnoir   Jul-12-09 04:44 PM   #194 
  - Seems like you'd be tinkering with a cat's psychic myth thingy if you  saltpoint   Jul-12-09 03:39 AM   #171 
  - Good !  UndertheOcean   Jul-12-09 02:30 PM   #181 
  - Good! Next they need to ban tail and ear docking in dogs.  iris27   Jul-12-09 02:40 PM   #182 
  - It is a barbaric procedure. I agree wholeheartedly...  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-12-09 03:30 PM   #186 
  - I had my cat declawed because of different reasons...  spin   Jul-12-09 04:18 PM   #191 
  - My Goldmine is declawed in the front.  ThatsMyBarack   Jul-12-09 04:50 PM   #196 
  - Breaking: SF shelters overrun with unwanted cats.  gmoney   Jul-13-09 05:10 PM   #206 
 

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