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152. I thought humans were supposedly the more intelligent animal...
...but from reading a lot of this thread, I seriously doubt it now.

People ostensibly have the smarts to learn how to deal with cats and their claws. You know how they act, you know what they will do. Take your sizably larger cerebellum and improvise ways to train the cat out of the behavior or mitigate the damage to your material belongings.

My wife and I have five cats and we've managed to find ways to keep them from ruining the things we value. Heavy fabric, duct tape, cardboard and inventiveness can do wonders toward dreaming up "protection" that is easily removed when guests arrive.

Has modern life so derived us of our resourcefulness that we can't deal with this? I hate to see some of these posters put in a situation where they had to survive by their wits in the wild.
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  -San Francisco to Consider Cat De-Clawing Ban The Straight Story  Jul-11-09 04:51 PM   #0 
  - then they should also ban bobbing dog's tails and ears.  dysfunctional press   Jul-11-09 04:56 PM   #1 
  - I agree on all counts. We also have one cat who needed surgery but he kept his unaffected claws.  Maru Kitteh   Jul-11-09 05:18 PM   #18 
  - and all pugs, bulldogs and other smushed nose breeds that have breathing problems.  slampoet   Jul-11-09 06:00 PM   #33 
  - Totally agree....  Hepburn   Jul-11-09 06:44 PM   #50 
  - they certainly should  harmonicon   Jul-12-09 12:23 AM   #151 
  - Absolutely agreed. I have a beautiful, pound adopted Soft Coated Wheaten  blondeatlast   Jul-12-09 04:12 PM   #190 
     - okay, i'll bite- why do you oppose the ban on declawing cats...?  dysfunctional press   Jul-12-09 04:29 PM   #192 
        - I'm not in favor of declawing but a ban isn't acceptable to me  blondeatlast   Jul-12-09 04:40 PM   #193 
           - the ban allows for medical necessity.  dysfunctional press   Jul-12-09 04:46 PM   #195 
  - Good! n/t  EFerrari   Jul-11-09 04:57 PM   #2 
  - I always thought declawing cats would confuse them...  BlooInBloo   Jul-11-09 04:59 PM   #3 
  - From evidence researched in a number of areas  hyphenate   Jul-11-09 05:14 PM   #14 
     - My cat is declawed and is a biter - it's her only defense  gristy   Jul-11-09 05:36 PM   #28 
     - We had a cat  Dorian Gray   Jul-13-09 01:44 AM   #203 
     - My cat is de-clawed - sweetest little thing you can imagine  raincity_calling   Jul-11-09 10:04 PM   #147 
     - You're lucky  hyphenate   Jul-12-09 08:46 PM   #199 
     - My best friend adopted a young stray declawed cat that he found a little over a year ago.  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:15 AM   #166 
        - It's that way with most cats  hyphenate   Jul-12-09 08:42 PM   #198 
  - I think declawing should be allowed on one condition.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-11-09 05:02 PM   #4 
  - Actually trimming the nails can sever the vain inside the nail  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 05:05 PM   #7 
     - Not really, if you mean the quick  REP   Jul-11-09 05:13 PM   #13 
     - Agreed - I've trimmed cat nails for a good decade and not hit the quick. nt  litlady   Jul-11-09 05:17 PM   #17 
     - It can, but only if the nails are cut too short.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-11-09 05:41 PM   #29 
     - I am very skittish about clipping our cats nails and won't do it  davidpdx   Jul-11-09 07:53 PM   #100 
     - Yes it can.  Dappleganger   Jul-11-09 08:34 PM   #129 
     - Realize that even if SF institutes a ban there would be exceptions for medical necessity.  Gormy Cuss   Jul-11-09 09:14 PM   #142 
     - I've Been Trimming Kitty Nails For 30 Years. Never Even Close  ProfessorGAC   Jul-13-09 05:15 PM   #207 
  - I can not imagine what my furniture and my legs would look like  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 05:04 PM   #5 
  - My furniture looks fine with 5 unmutilated cats  REP   Jul-11-09 05:10 PM   #10 
  - +1 ...... - 4 unmutilated indoor cats here  Maru Kitteh   Jul-11-09 05:19 PM   # 
  - 3 cats here, 6 others over the past 20 years  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 05:48 PM   #30 
  - Yeah, all the ones I have had have been fine...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:19 PM   #39 
  - Four here too. No problems. The EU has already banned paw mutilation  Lorien   Jul-11-09 09:11 PM   #141 
  - You must be a fan of Maru, the WonderCat with the bag on his head,  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:24 AM   #167 
     - OMG. I'm *DYING* over here! That Maru looks JUST LIKE my Maru !! (pic)  Maru Kitteh   Jul-12-09 04:08 PM   #189 
     - Your Maru is beautiful! nt  tblue37   Jul-12-09 04:51 PM   #197 
     - You forgot one!  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-13-09 01:09 AM   #202 
        - Actually, I had never even seen that one. Thanks! It's  tblue37   Jul-13-09 07:27 AM   #204 
  - I remember years ago, I had a wicker clothes hamper  hyphenate   Jul-11-09 05:19 PM   #19 
  - 5 here as well...  litlady   Jul-11-09 05:32 PM   #27 
  - Shelters are full of poor kitties  MzNov   Jul-11-09 06:04 PM   #35 
     - I train my cats with finger snaps. A snap, accompanied by a  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:27 AM   #168 
        - exactly! nt  MzNov   Jul-12-09 11:03 AM   #175 
  - Cats climb and grip things with their claws  FarrenH   Jul-11-09 05:27 PM   #24 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-09 05:49 PM   #31 
  - I'm almost with you  REP   Jul-11-09 06:17 PM   #38 
  - The San Francisco SPCA and Pet's Unlimited,  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:02 PM   #66 
     - You are certainly correct about the convenience part  MzNov   Jul-12-09 12:42 AM   #154 
  - Dumb..nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:38 PM   #48 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-09 07:10 PM   #73 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-09 06:21 PM   #40 
  - It's "you're" and they use their front claws to climb  REP   Jul-11-09 06:50 PM   #57 
  - I do not condone the practice however my cat has been  raincity_calling   Jul-11-09 10:09 PM   #148 
  - I mentioned above that I often take care of the stray declawed cat  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:31 AM   #169 
  - No, it is not fine.  MzNov   Jul-11-09 06:02 PM   #34 
  - I am quite educated thanks...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:22 PM   #41 
  - Perhaps, but not about cat mutilation commonly known as declawing. (n/t)  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 06:35 PM   #45 
  - My Cats are not Mutilated...but thanks for your concern..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:36 PM   #46 
     - And instinctual scratching proves what?  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:04 PM   #70 
     - Yes, they instictually stratch like normal...even without front claws..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 07:08 PM   #72 
        - But they can't scratch. I had a mastectomy and I sometimes get an itch  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:19 PM   #81 
     - Yes they are. Just as surely as you would be, if...  anigbrowl   Jul-11-09 09:16 PM   #143 
        - Not the fingernails--the entire finger, up to the first knuckle.  tblue37   Jul-12-09 03:35 AM   #170 
  - apparently not, based on your previous posts  harmonicon   Jul-12-09 12:28 AM   #153 
  - Here's a start  MzNov   Jul-12-09 12:53 AM   #159 
  - I certainly appreciate  hyphenate   Jul-12-09 10:36 PM   #200 
  - Become biters?  Dappleganger   Jul-11-09 08:31 PM   #125 
     - Depends on the cat, certainly.  litlady   Jul-11-09 08:33 PM   #128 
     - Happened to one of my friend's cats.  iris27   Jul-12-09 01:09 AM   #161 
  - Get a scratching post and stop complaining  anigbrowl   Jul-11-09 09:11 PM   #140 
  - 1) Domesticated cats belong indoors. 2) My cats claw my stuff and I couldn't care less. nt  Lisa0825   Jul-12-09 12:45 AM   #155 
  - 2 indoor kitties here with claws  tammywammy   Jul-12-09 03:32 PM   #187 
  - Banned in Great Britain. n/t  lindisfarne   Jul-11-09 05:05 PM   #6 
  - Declawing is inhumane and is banned or discouraged in nearly two dozen countries.  litlady   Jul-11-09 05:08 PM   #8 
  - I showed this to my cat, Animal, and she said  Ohio Joe   Jul-11-09 05:10 PM   #9 
  - How pretty! She looks just like my Chessie girl. :-)  Maru Kitteh   Jul-11-09 05:21 PM   #21 
  - Thank you!  Ohio Joe   Jul-11-09 05:31 PM   #25 
  - Wow, what a beauty  chatnoir   Jul-11-09 07:22 PM   #82 
  - Sure, if they ban pit bulls, too! nt  valerief   Jul-11-09 05:12 PM   #11 
  - This has been one of the most divisive topics  hyphenate   Jul-11-09 05:12 PM   #12 
  - This is an excellent point. nt  pyoom   Jul-11-09 05:16 PM   #16 
  - we did it with mine for somewhat different reasons  noamnety   Jul-11-09 05:27 PM   #23 
  - He couldn't wear sleeves around her?**nm  misanthrope   Jul-12-09 12:12 AM   #150 
     - It was his hands as much as his arms  noamnety   Jul-12-09 08:38 AM   #174 
        - Sounds to me like...  misanthrope   Jul-12-09 03:11 PM   #183 
           - We had compromises all around, for sure.  noamnety   Jul-12-09 03:25 PM   #184 
           - Funny  hyphenate   Jul-12-09 11:05 PM   #201 
  - I agree that the place to start is  LWolf   Jul-11-09 06:45 PM   #53 
     - I agree. I think most pet owners care for their pets and just  pyoom   Jul-11-09 06:49 PM   #55 
     - Good points - education is always the key!  litlady   Jul-11-09 06:55 PM   #61 
        - I'd never even heard of soft paws  LWolf   Jul-11-09 07:19 PM   #79 
  - Against the practice for my own cats but a flat-out ban is going  pyoom   Jul-11-09 05:14 PM   #15 
  - I see your point but should pet owners have rights that override those of the animal?  litlady   Jul-11-09 05:26 PM   #22 
  - I'm not sure how to attribute the difference in results.  pyoom   Jul-11-09 05:58 PM   #32 
     - Still have reservations...  litlady   Jul-11-09 06:25 PM   #43 
  - My daughter has a friend whose finger was blown off 2 years ago.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 06:33 PM   #44 
  - complete exaggeration...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:44 PM   #51 
     - "Declawing" is amputation of the cat's toes to first knuckle.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 06:48 PM   #54 
        - Bullshit...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:51 PM   #58 
        - Jesus fucking christ. Yes it is. Know what the fuck you're defending. Google is your friend.  REP   Jul-11-09 06:57 PM   #63 
        - It is an amputation but I haven't personally seen the loss of functionality  pyoom   Jul-11-09 06:57 PM   #64 
        - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-11-09 07:02 PM   #65 
        - Don't think you were talking to me but just in case...  litlady   Jul-11-09 07:10 PM   #74 
        - So I would assume that you have not had them spayed or neutered either..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 07:19 PM   #80 
           - Of course they are fixed!  litlady   Jul-11-09 07:36 PM   #90 
           - Sorry, but you can not have it both ways...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:00 PM   #103 
              - Deleted sub-thread  Name removed   Jul-11-09 08:12 PM   #111 
              - I don't want to butt into a private argument here  hyphenate   Jul-13-09 05:05 PM   #205 
           - Fail.  REP   Jul-11-09 07:39 PM   #94 
        - Riiiiiiight, babycakes. Check my profile.  REP   Jul-11-09 07:13 PM   #76 
        - And you know they were fine because they told you so.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:11 PM   #75 
           - I know they were fine because they walked just like cats with claws,  pyoom   Jul-11-09 07:16 PM   #78 
              - So, because the cats you, personally, observed seemed fine...  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:26 PM   #84 
                 - No. What I'm saying is that at least two indoor cats have had the procedure done  pyoom   Jul-11-09 07:32 PM   #86 
                    - The procedure is the same for every cat.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:47 PM   #95 
                       - I have cats with claws intact and although we do have scratching  pyoom   Jul-11-09 07:55 PM   #101 
                          - I don't know why you assume that most cats live indoors in San Francisco  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 08:12 PM   #109 
                             - Well, I assume most cats live indoors in the city because in densely-populated areas  pyoom   Jul-11-09 08:21 PM   #120 
                                - That is because you do not know the terrain of San Francisco.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 08:53 PM   #137 
                                   - Again, like I said, it's highly situational.  pyoom   Jul-11-09 09:08 PM   #139 
        - Closing your mind to the facts does not alter reality.  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-12-09 03:45 PM   #188 
        - It also affects the muscle in this part of the cat's paw.  MzNov   Jul-12-09 12:47 AM   #157 
  - +1 and thank you...nt  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 07:03 PM   #67 
  - I had a cat declawed once 30years ago  azurnoir   Jul-11-09 05:20 PM   #20 
  - It should be banned  Politicalboi   Jul-11-09 05:32 PM   #26 
  - Cruel for a cat to be indoor?  LisaL   Jul-11-09 07:16 PM   #77 
  - Interestingly...  WillowTree   Jul-11-09 08:05 PM   #104 
  - Good! I won't even use a vet that performs the procedure.  flvegan   Jul-11-09 06:09 PM   #36 
  - When i mentioned declawing to him...  AsahinaKimi   Jul-11-09 06:17 PM   #37 
  - Barbaric. Cats are EASILY trained NOT to scratch the furniture  DainBramaged   Jul-11-09 06:24 PM   #42 
  - I bet it is still legal to cut off the tip of human baby's penises. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-11-09 06:38 PM   #47 
  - Only on the males....  Hepburn   Jul-11-09 06:50 PM   #56 
     - Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-11-09 06:51 PM   #59 
        - Really? Many TG people will differ with you.  REP   Jul-11-09 06:55 PM   #62 
           - Oh, come on. That's just petty.  pyoom   Jul-11-09 07:03 PM   #69 
           - So would some unfortunate amputees. nt  ZombieHorde   Jul-11-09 07:06 PM   #71 
  - People who want to adopt a cat need to understand that it's a living, breathing creature  Berry Cool   Jul-11-09 06:41 PM   #49 
  - ...  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 06:45 PM   #52 
  - That wasn't explained?  REP   Jul-11-09 06:53 PM   #60 
  - Agreed - many don't want to accept responsibilities of ownership.  litlady   Jul-11-09 07:03 PM   #68 
  - In regards to all the "De-clawing is cruel" crowd....  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 07:26 PM   #83 
  - Can you explain the purpose of spaying and neutering? It is to decrease the number of cats killed.  REP   Jul-11-09 07:31 PM   #85 
  - Well to be fair neutering is castration.  LisaL   Jul-11-09 07:32 PM   #87 
  - That's one way to perform a sterilization  REP   Jul-11-09 07:34 PM   #89 
     - What others? Male cats are castrated.  LisaL   Jul-11-09 07:52 PM   #98 
        - Not implying. Can and are done.  REP   Jul-11-09 08:08 PM   #106 
           - What exactly "can and are done?"  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:16 PM   #115 
              - The stupid. It burns.  REP   Jul-11-09 08:32 PM   #126 
                 - The stupid. It does burn. What about  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:38 PM   #132 
  - Well, devil's advocate here, but declawing also decreases the number of cats killed.  trotsky   Jul-11-09 07:48 PM   #96 
  - +1 Trotsky...thanks..  and-justice-for-all   Jul-11-09 08:09 PM   #107 
  - Not directly; if the cat doesn't exist, it can't be euthanized  REP   Jul-11-09 08:14 PM   #113 
  - Sorry, didn't see the post where you said that.  trotsky   Jul-11-09 08:21 PM   #119 
  - That's not completely accurate.  flvegan   Jul-11-09 08:45 PM   #135 
  - Uh, I think you've got that a little backwards.  trotsky   Jul-12-09 07:24 AM   #172 
  - There are numerous ways to keep a cat from scratching without amputation.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 08:57 PM   #138 
     - Well sure in an ideal world.  trotsky   Jul-12-09 07:25 AM   #173 
     - My cat has allergies so what he scratches is himself.  LisaL   Jul-12-09 01:50 PM   #179 
  - FYI: You're wrong about the surgeons.  noamnety   Jul-11-09 08:37 PM   #131 
  - Hahahaha!!!  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:33 PM   #88 
  - Plus who said anything about not "altering" a cat  REP   Jul-11-09 07:37 PM   #92 
  - Your husband hasn't been castrated I hope?  LisaL   Jul-11-09 07:53 PM   #99 
     - Aahh, just found that out.  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 08:06 PM   #105 
     - Vasectomy isn't a great option for an indoor cat because it  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:52 PM   #136 
     - Find out what an orchidectomy is and get back to me  REP   Jul-11-09 08:10 PM   #108 
        - Why don't you read how the procedure is done in animals.  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:12 PM   #110 
           - I obviously know far more about this than you do; you seem to be unaware of much  REP   Jul-11-09 08:18 PM   #116 
              - I provided a link and you just run your mouth.  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:19 PM   #117 
                 - Talk to yourself much, babycakes?  REP   Jul-11-09 08:21 PM   #118 
                    - Hah?  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:24 PM   #121 
                       - I've supported mine. You run. Bless your heart.  REP   Jul-11-09 08:28 PM   #122 
                          - I personally don't think you have a clue about "many, many  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:31 PM   #124 
                             - Bless your heart. I know you don't think.  REP   Jul-11-09 08:32 PM   #127 
                                - Why don't you quit running your mouth and provide links  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:36 PM   #130 
                                   - What are you babbling about?  REP   Jul-11-09 08:40 PM   #133 
                                      - Do you own any cats or dogs?  LisaL   Jul-11-09 08:44 PM   #134 
                                      - You might want to do yours  Hallie Burton   Jul-12-09 12:56 PM   #177 
  - Keep trying to justify your cruel decision.  flvegan   Jul-11-09 08:14 PM   #114 
  - Er, yeah. Humans legally have THEMSELVES sterilized, but it is NOT legal for  Lorien   Jul-11-09 09:18 PM   #144 
  - "psychical alteration" - you're a laugh riot!!  harmonicon   Jul-12-09 12:46 AM   #156 
  - Should those in favor of this be compelled to take in every clawed kitty?  Deja Q   Jul-11-09 07:36 PM   #91 
  - I feel as though I have ...  REP   Jul-11-09 07:38 PM   #93 
     - Me, too!  Luminous Animal   Jul-11-09 07:50 PM   #97 
        - We currently have ten, down from twelve.  Ikonoklast   Jul-11-09 09:57 PM   #146 
           - Yes! That's it! It's just stuff!  Luminous Animal   Jul-12-09 02:18 AM   #162 
              - Maybe because it's DU and not "rate my space."  LisaL   Jul-12-09 01:48 PM   #178 
  - I agree that declawing is a questionable procedure  davidpdx   Jul-11-09 07:58 PM   #102 
  - a barbaric practice  JitterbugPerfume   Jul-11-09 08:13 PM   #112 
  - Our declawed Maine coon kitty can climb trees...  Dappleganger   Jul-11-09 08:30 PM   #123 
  - I've read that claw damage is the #1 reason that cats get surrendered to shelters, or worse.  elocs   Jul-11-09 09:50 PM   #145 
  - how do you explain all of the declawed cats in shelters then?  harmonicon   Jul-12-09 12:53 AM   #158 
  - You read that, did you?  Luminous Animal   Jul-12-09 02:56 AM   #165 
  - Declawing didn't save my best friend's cat from the shelter.  iris27   Jul-12-09 02:28 PM   #180 
  - My 1 year old orange Tabby Daisy has her claws. She drives me crazy scratching our chairs but I  Jennicut   Jul-11-09 10:28 PM   #149 
  - That is so nice!  Luminous Animal   Jul-12-09 02:48 AM   #163 
  - I thought humans were supposedly the more intelligent animal...  misanthrope   Jul-12-09 12:24 AM   #152 
  - Fine with me...as long as I can still have Tom...circumcised  mitchum   Jul-12-09 01:09 AM   #160 
  - My uncle is a vet and works for Purina, he believes that front declawing is beneficial to cats. n/t  LLStarks   Jul-12-09 02:53 AM   #164 
  - Belated Welcome to DU!  Strong Atheist   Jul-12-09 11:51 AM   #176 
  - What is the benefit?  noamnety   Jul-12-09 03:27 PM   #185 
  - "Beneficial"??  chatnoir   Jul-12-09 04:44 PM   #194 
  - Seems like you'd be tinkering with a cat's psychic myth thingy if you  saltpoint   Jul-12-09 03:39 AM   #171 
  - Good !  UndertheOcean   Jul-12-09 02:30 PM   #181 
  - Good! Next they need to ban tail and ear docking in dogs.  iris27   Jul-12-09 02:40 PM   #182 
  - It is a barbaric procedure. I agree wholeheartedly...  HCE SuiGeneris   Jul-12-09 03:30 PM   #186 
  - I had my cat declawed because of different reasons...  spin   Jul-12-09 04:18 PM   #191 
  - My Goldmine is declawed in the front.  ThatsMyBarack   Jul-12-09 04:50 PM   #196 
  - Breaking: SF shelters overrun with unwanted cats.  gmoney   Jul-13-09 05:10 PM   #206 
 

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