gleaner
(667 posts)
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Thu Jul-09-09 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #1 |
| 25. Will "our own system" keep us alive .... |  |
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Our current system isn't up to it. My husband's mother has a rare form of cancer that is wrapping around her esophagus and metastasizing throughout her lungs, neck and eventually her brain. She has difficulty swallowing and is in constant pain. She has to measure her life expectancy in days, weeks and months. She can't count on more time than that.
What is her HMO doing? Not much. They said surgery to remove the tumor when it was initially discovered months ago was not possible. They said they could not use radiation. Instead they gave her an old chemotherapy drug that is not effective on the type of cancer she has, because they have to "cut costs". (Read increase profits.) The chemo drug was toxic to her. She nearly died from taking it. Her blood values dropped across the board and it took two weeks in the hospital to get her white count up to the point where she had an immune system. Now the HMO is putting off any more treatment for her at all. She is desperate. She is dying and she knows it.
I just want to ask while you are expressing concerns about "our own system," if you have ever sat across the table from a loved one and held her hand while she told you, "I'm afraid to die. Please don't let me die alone." There is nothing like it except for watching your husband almost die because he has a rare illness and his insurance company does not want to pay for a full recovery. In that case I was lucky because the non profit hospital intervened and helped him. Now, right off his own illness he is watching his mother die because her for profit HMO decided at some point that her life was not worth saving. This is our own system. We need something much better. I don't care who we emulate. I want people like my mother in law to have a chance.
As I sat and tried to comfort her, seeing all the while how emaciated she is, covered with bruises which appear spontaneously and with no hair from her botched chemo, I realized that aside from love and my promises that she will not die alone I don't have anything else to offer that will help her live. How did we get here? We are in a place where corporate entities are deciding who is fit to live and die based on their profit margins. It is time for something new and different, and really, what does it matter where it comes from if it gets us out of the mare's nest that greed stuck us into?
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This Is What Happens When You Get Cancer in America / And in France |
Better Believe It |
Jul-09-09 02:35 PM |
#0 |

France =/= America |
anonymous171 |
Jul-09-09 02:37 PM |
#1 |
 
"We need to create our own system that specifically tailors to Americans' needs." |
KansDem |
Jul-09-09 02:41 PM |
#3 |
  
Does that mean letting the Insurance company |
Hutzpa |
Jul-10-09 11:48 AM |
#83 |
 
Why can we not emulate a system that works? |
rfranklin |
Jul-09-09 02:41 PM |
#5 |
  
I think he should have been a little more descriptive, but I still get it a bit. |
mamaleah |
Jul-10-09 05:13 AM |
#50 |
 
Then that's an immigration issue not a health care issue. |
Javaman |
Jul-10-09 10:00 AM |
#67 |
 
What has any of that has to do with |
Hutzpa |
Jul-10-09 11:49 AM |
#84 |
 
If you want to emulate |
mamaleah |
Jul-10-09 12:47 PM |
#88 |
 
Thats like saying Mexicans are |
Hutzpa |
Jul-10-09 01:09 PM |
#90 |
 
I think it has as much to do with having a decent system as a more progressive system of taxation |
mamaleah |
Jul-10-09 01:13 PM |
#92 |
 
Americans do not have the market cornered on intelligence |
Horse with no Name |
Jul-09-09 03:06 PM |
#10 |
 
Yes! We pay more than France. We deserve a system that delivers BETTER service than this! n/t |
FormerDittoHead |
Jul-09-09 03:16 PM |
#12 |
 
Do the French get sick differently than Americans? |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-09-09 03:22 PM |
#14 |
  
It is possible that sickness in France is different because |
abumbyanyothername |
Jul-09-09 07:27 PM |
#32 |
   
Some may read you as sarcastic. However there's (inadvertant?) truth |
troubledamerican |
Jul-09-09 11:17 PM |
#40 |
    
That was the point. |
abumbyanyothername |
Jul-10-09 01:20 AM |
#41 |
     
Read you loud and clear. We need a system comparable to France, but France also eats healthier |
DesertDiamond |
Jul-10-09 09:25 AM |
#63 |
      
They eat plenty of fat but |
Enthusiast |
Jul-10-09 02:34 PM |
#99 |
     
Sorry, I'm braced for nothing but snark on DU, I sometimes misread. |
troubledamerican |
Jul-10-09 10:48 AM |
#73 |
    
US chicken is surreal |
Fedja |
Jul-10-09 03:55 AM |
#45 |
    
And everything is so damn sweet! |
Prophet 451 |
Jul-10-09 06:20 AM |
#53 |
     
Fascinating. Thanks. |
troubledamerican |
Jul-10-09 10:51 AM |
#75 |
     
Chocolate...even Lindt here is flavored with articifical garbage |
AllyCat |
Jul-10-09 12:15 PM |
#86 |
    
Yo are right, the US Processors refused to use Potable Water |
Grinchie |
Jul-10-09 06:43 AM |
#55 |
   
OK, now you've scared me |
troubledamerican |
Jul-10-09 10:51 AM |
#74 |
   
My Spelling was off, it is Pleomorphism |
Grinchie |
Jul-10-09 01:09 PM |
#91 |
   
Hahaha!! I shouldn't be laughing, but that is so true. |
AllyCat |
Jul-10-09 12:12 PM |
#85 |
  
See this article |
lindisfarne |
Jul-09-09 09:51 PM |
#38 |
 
Cancer is different in France? |
tinrobot |
Jul-09-09 03:54 PM |
#19 |
 
Will "our own system" keep us alive .... |
gleaner |
Jul-09-09 04:51 PM |
#25 |
 
I am American by birth |
reggie the dog |
Jul-09-09 06:30 PM |
#28 |
 
Really? |
Fedja |
Jul-10-09 03:52 AM |
#44 |
 
Help me out here. |
snake in the grass |
Jul-10-09 04:32 AM |
#48 |
  
You nailed it for me. I tried just last week to get a doctor's appointment |
snappyturtle |
Jul-10-09 11:45 AM |
#82 |
 
It burns me up... |
snake in the grass |
Jul-10-09 01:31 PM |
#93 |
 
I'm glad you're speaking out. Wish you were on national teevee. |
snappyturtle |
Jul-10-09 10:27 PM |
#104 |
 
What needs do we have that the French do not? |
TommyO |
Jul-10-09 08:20 AM |
#61 |
 
yeah, because, you know, those French people get sick differently from us... |
Javaman |
Jul-10-09 09:54 AM |
#66 |
 
That's what we have now... |
warren pease |
Jul-10-09 11:00 AM |
#77 |
 
? |
tavalon |
Jul-10-09 11:25 AM |
#79 |
 
We could emulate it to a T |
Enthusiast |
Jul-10-09 02:30 PM |
#97 |
 
Is one of America's needs to keep a bloated insurance industry alive on our blood? |
JVS |
Jul-10-09 02:33 PM |
#98 |

I was told this by someone who worked in the insurance industry |
Horse with no Name |
Jul-09-09 02:40 PM |
#2 |
 
Reminds me of GEICO |
Grinchie |
Jul-10-09 07:01 AM |
#57 |

sure - but what about the profits? Who made the profits? |
DrDan |
Jul-09-09 02:41 PM |
#4 |

I had a cardiac scare 5 years ago, and my wife had cancer 8 years ago |
DFW |
Jul-09-09 02:56 PM |
#6 |
 
I'm curious about the higher taxes - my brother is in Germany |
BR_Parkway |
Jul-09-09 03:25 PM |
#15 |
  
All those "other" taxes are here too, except for state income |
DFW |
Jul-09-09 06:00 PM |
#27 |
 
"German taxes are pretty high" |
Doremus |
Jul-09-09 06:42 PM |
#29 |

If my paycheck were taxed in Germany: |
DFW |
Jul-10-09 10:16 AM |
#69 |

if you would have paid 60% of your gross income |
lakeguy |
Jul-10-09 10:33 AM |
#72 |

It doesn't take a fortune to reach that level in Germany |
DFW |
Jul-10-09 01:54 PM |
#95 |

Questionable anecdote at best |
sailor65 |
Jul-09-09 02:57 PM |
#7 |
 
Questionable anecdote at best |
supernova |
Jul-09-09 03:18 PM |
#13 |
 
Read the original story |
tinrobot |
Jul-09-09 03:59 PM |
#20 |

I think that basic healthcare |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jul-09-09 02:58 PM |
#8 |
 
+1 |
LuvNewcastle |
Jul-09-09 03:11 PM |
#11 |
 
+1 Although part of the bargain ought to be |
abumbyanyothername |
Jul-09-09 07:39 PM |
#33 |

They always ask how we're going to pay for it. |
lob1 |
Jul-09-09 03:02 PM |
#9 |
 
Exactly - they always seem to posit that the expenses of the system will |
RaleighNCDUer |
Jul-09-09 03:28 PM |
#16 |

.............congressional bribes to maintain the status quo |
destes |
Jul-10-09 04:18 AM |
#47 |

And no $1.5 million a DAY to bribe our congressmen |
mudplanet |
Jul-10-09 10:28 AM |
#71 |

I am disabled and have medicare + United Healthcare/AARP Secure Horizons coverage... |
Gogi |
Jul-09-09 03:30 PM |
#17 |
 
Not to be nosy, just curious, my husband is nearing retirement |
Holly_Hobby |
Jul-09-09 04:06 PM |
#21 |

If you're on Medicare... |
Gogi |
Jul-09-09 04:34 PM |
#23 |

Thank you! n/t |
Holly_Hobby |
Jul-09-09 08:54 PM |
#36 |

Here's how it worked for my BIL who worked for the "happiest place on the earth" |
csziggy |
Jul-09-09 03:47 PM |
#18 |
 
I wish I could recommend. |
juno jones |
Jul-09-09 07:05 PM |
#30 |
 
This is so wrong............. |
bluethruandthru |
Jul-09-09 09:59 PM |
#39 |
 
I'm sorry to hear this but that is very typical of Disney, one of the worst places to work. |
Greyhound |
Jul-10-09 05:50 AM |
#51 |
  
Had two friends work in their animation dept. They called their bosses: |
Javaman |
Jul-10-09 10:16 AM |
#68 |
 
My very simple reason for national health care as always been... |
Javaman |
Jul-10-09 10:20 AM |
#70 |

Freedom Fries indeed....... |
N.Y. to Paris |
Jul-09-09 04:10 PM |
#22 |

France is a civilized country. Regrettably, the US is not. |
Vidar |
Jul-09-09 04:49 PM |
#24 |

France has the best health care in the world as rated by the WHO, it's also not "single payer" |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-09-09 04:52 PM |
#26 |
 
Actually, the government pays most of the expenditures |
eridani |
Jul-10-09 03:33 AM |
#43 |
  
True, but it is still not technically "single-payer" |
Hippo_Tron |
Jul-10-09 02:11 PM |
#96 |
 
So what? All countries with single payer, or even socialized medicine, have private insurance |
eridani |
Jul-10-09 05:51 PM |
#103 |
 
'Single payer' is a mantra a lot of people parrot without really understanding, it seems to me. |
Spider Jerusalem |
Jul-10-09 05:01 AM |
#49 |
 
And yet it is also not a for-profit system. n/t |
Greyhound |
Jul-10-09 05:51 AM |
#52 |

Yes, but we don't have waiting lists! |
Crunchy Frog |
Jul-09-09 07:22 PM |
#31 |

and this is what happens when you get cancer in Canada |
iverglas |
Jul-09-09 08:18 PM |
#34 |

That's what you can get when all your tax dollars aren't spent.... |
theHandpuppet |
Jul-09-09 08:20 PM |
#35 |
 
You said it! nt |
Enthusiast |
Jul-10-09 02:46 PM |
#100 |

I guess I'm one of the lucky ones. |
mwooldri |
Jul-09-09 09:43 PM |
#37 |

K & R |
Quantess |
Jul-10-09 01:57 AM |
#42 |

Viva la Difference! |
yoyossarian |
Jul-10-09 04:16 AM |
#46 |

It's much the same here |
Prophet 451 |
Jul-10-09 06:25 AM |
#54 |

i don't live in America anymore ... but is it really this bad? |
InfiniteThoughts |
Jul-10-09 06:45 AM |
#56 |
 
US politicians are owned by the insurance industry. They don't want to bite the hand that feeds them |
valerief |
Jul-10-09 09:28 AM |
#64 |
 
Campaign against the current system? |
Enthusiast |
Jul-10-09 02:49 PM |
#101 |

Jeez. An MRI in the same day?!? |
a la izquierda |
Jul-10-09 07:47 AM |
#58 |

Free Health Care for We The People is in our Constitution. |
fasttense |
Jul-10-09 07:48 AM |
#59 |

same same Australia, and Canada, Germany, Italy, Finland, Sweden, New Zealand |
Swagman |
Jul-10-09 08:19 AM |
#60 |

true story: colon cancer and high tech... |
scentopine |
Jul-10-09 09:21 AM |
#62 |

Also of note, the stipend was "just under minimum" wage, but in France that means a LIVING wage, |
DesertDiamond |
Jul-10-09 09:28 AM |
#65 |

Single Payer Rally in DC July 30th |
maryf |
Jul-10-09 10:58 AM |
#76 |

I predict a mass exodus from this country in the |
Fire1 |
Jul-10-09 11:20 AM |
#78 |

The French system is very good but is also facing a strain as |
kegler14 |
Jul-10-09 11:38 AM |
#80 |

Cancer treatment in the U.S. can be terrific, IF... |
Tracer |
Jul-10-09 11:44 AM |
#81 |

But France isn't free! It's run by a bunch of Socialists! |
Wapsie B |
Jul-10-09 12:16 PM |
#87 |

Remember in Sicko, when Michael Moore was in France? |
redqueen |
Jul-10-09 12:50 PM |
#89 |

Great Video alongside the article also. |
Juan_de_la_Dem |
Jul-10-09 01:42 PM |
#94 |

kick |
azmouse |
Jul-10-09 05:18 PM |
#102 |