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Thu Jul-09-09 10:34 AM
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| 15. The author of the article made some great points about social conservatism |
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(Excerpt) I have a theory: Social conservatives, more than liberals, tend to embrace myths and make-believe. They distrust realities that don't jibe with their fairy tales. They're more inclined to dismiss scientific evidence of evolution and global-warming. They're more inclined to see the world in simple terms of good and bad -- with no ambiguities -- just like in John Wayne's movies.
<snipping> Social conservatives generally see the American flag as more sacred than the U.S. Constitution. That's because the flag is about emotion, while the Constitution is about complicated concepts that require courts to intepret. We get no freedoms from the flag, but we are supposed to treat it with almost religious reverence. We get our American system -- freedoms and all -- from the Constitution, but nobody's going to get upset if I carelessly throw a copy of it in the garbage.
In that same sense, the popular image of John Wayne is about emotion rather than complicated concepts. He seemed manly because he wasn't very complicated, at least in his roles on the screen. In his movies, he didn't play lawyers or judges or politicians or professors. Rather, he played cowboys and marshals and soldiers and other kinds of men who took no guff from anybody and didn't have to study legalistic footnotes to decide what was right or wrong....
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| -The Curious Legend of John Wayne |
WI_DEM |
Jul-09-09 10:00 AM |
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I've always loved Manchester's story of the booing. Here's a photo of the RealJohnWayne |
Captain Hilts |
Jul-09-09 10:05 AM |
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I met Ted Williams in the early '80s at Winter Haven during spring training. |
predfan |
Jul-09-09 10:17 AM |
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Awesome! |
Captain Hilts |
Jul-09-09 10:39 AM |
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The author of the article made some great points about social conservatism |
theHandpuppet |
Jul-09-09 10:34 AM |
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Could you tell us more about the photo? I'm assuming that's |
hedgehog |
Jul-09-09 10:51 AM |
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It's Ted Williams. Served in 2 wars, gave up, how many seasons, Capt., |
predfan |
Jul-09-09 10:55 AM |
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It's Ted Williams when he was flying fighters in the Korean War. He went to Korea |
Captain Hilts |
Jul-09-09 10:57 AM |
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Thanks! |
hedgehog |
Jul-09-09 11:10 AM |
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You're welcome, 'Hog! |
Captain Hilts |
Jul-09-09 11:11 AM |
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Well, Pilgrim. you're a cruisin' for a bruisin' if you're a'gonna start in on |
predfan |
Jul-09-09 10:06 AM |
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Dog, I hate that movie. But he and O'Hara are very good together. |
Captain Hilts |
Jul-09-09 10:14 AM |
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When do actors match with real life |
Annces |
Jul-09-09 10:08 AM |
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I LOVE "They Were Expendable." You'd never know Montgomery was a true war hero of the two. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Jul-09-09 10:13 AM |
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And to think that thousands of Vietnam vets |
pscot |
Jul-09-09 10:15 AM |
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! |
Echo In Light |
Jul-09-09 10:18 AM |
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Not really a cowboy, never in the military; "John Wayne" wasn't even his real name |
LeftinOH |
Jul-09-09 10:18 AM |
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What no Audie Murphy? n/t |
hootinholler |
Jul-09-09 10:35 AM |
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Thanks to the shout out to Tracy! Yet he got hassled for being a draft dodger in WWII. nt |
Captain Hilts |
Jul-09-09 10:40 AM |
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Eddie Albert |
pscot |
Jul-09-09 11:07 AM |
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Always dug Eddie Albert ever since I was a little kid. Green Acres was awesome. |
zonkers |
Jul-09-09 11:12 AM |
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He lost much of his hearing in that operation |
Frank Cannon |
Jul-09-09 11:34 AM |
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Eddie Albert was a great man |
Bluenorthwest |
Jul-09-09 11:48 AM |
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Thanks for that info |
Catherine Vincent |
Jul-09-09 12:47 PM |
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his best buddy and fellow gardener was James Whitmore. |
roguevalley |
Jul-09-09 02:37 PM |
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Two great quotes from Eddie, a REAL hero |
theHandpuppet |
Jul-09-09 11:58 AM |
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Thanks for that |
Frank Cannon |
Jul-09-09 12:19 PM |
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Wow. I didn't know all these things about him. |
TuxedoKat |
Jul-09-09 12:39 PM |
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Lee Marvin, too |
Blue_Tires |
Jul-09-09 11:38 AM |
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I *LOVE* Lee Marvin. He was a decorated soldier. I think he was |
roguevalley |
Jul-09-09 02:38 PM |
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Lee Marvin was not a soldier |
Thothmes |
Jul-10-09 05:13 AM |
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meh. he served. My uncle was a marine and left on Guadalcanal |
roguevalley |
Jul-10-09 03:39 PM |
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Lee Marvin is buried in Arlington, right next to my Great Uncle Joe Louis |
MrScorpio |
Jul-09-09 03:45 PM |
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Know who else? This guy: |
rockymountaindem |
Jul-09-09 03:14 PM |
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All helmet, no soldier |
TommyO |
Jul-09-09 10:21 AM |
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Marion was just a big puffed up chickenhawk fraud |
mitchum |
Jul-09-09 10:26 AM |
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Ever see the movie Repo Man? haha |
Echo In Light |
Jul-09-09 10:31 AM |
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Repo Man is a classic. |
proteus_lives |
Jul-09-09 11:38 AM |
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Sounds like George McClellan |
PVnRT |
Jul-09-09 10:29 AM |
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My grandfather despised John Wayne just for this very reason |
TornadoTN |
Jul-09-09 10:31 AM |
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Your grandpa and my dad, real men, real heroes. I hug you. |
roguevalley |
Jul-09-09 02:40 PM |
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Thanks - and one for you as well. Both the greatest men, I'm sure |
TornadoTN |
Jul-09-09 03:07 PM |
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So it takes 100 yrs to unmask a Chickenhawk. So despite Shrub saying he doesn't care what History |
UTUSN |
Jul-09-09 10:36 AM |
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"I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress. " |
htuttle |
Jul-09-09 10:37 AM |
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! ...see my post #14 |
Echo In Light |
Jul-09-09 10:58 AM |
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the Marines honored him |
GreatCaesarsGhost |
Jul-09-09 10:56 AM |
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It always bothered me to see Republicans degrade civilian |
hedgehog |
Jul-09-09 10:59 AM |
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John Wayne was a mother fucking jerk... |
Hepburn |
Jul-09-09 11:21 AM |
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Here's a good list of actor/veterans |
theHandpuppet |
Jul-09-09 11:22 AM |
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Interesting reading. Thanx. |
lumpy |
Jul-09-09 03:02 PM |
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O'Reilly TWICE referred to Malmedy incorrectly as |
stanwyck |
Jul-09-09 05:27 PM |
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the war hero of my generation was John Rambo |
electricD |
Jul-09-09 12:21 PM |
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And he was a shitty actor. |
progressoid |
Jul-09-09 12:48 PM |
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LOL! |
Catherine Vincent |
Jul-09-09 12:50 PM |
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My dad rode on a troop ship with Errol Flynn. |
bmbmd |
Jul-09-09 12:50 PM |
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Clark Gable enlisted when Carole Lombard died in a bond raising |
roguevalley |
Jul-09-09 02:43 PM |
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I don't get it. Errol Flynn was gay? Flynn was famous for being |
lumpy |
Jul-09-09 02:53 PM |
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Good question. |
bmbmd |
Jul-09-09 03:36 PM |
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ages of stars |
Jack35 |
Jul-09-09 12:51 PM |
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Wayne was as phony as they come. |
Vidar |
Jul-09-09 01:50 PM |
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George A. never saw John Wayne on the sands of Iwo Jima |
KG |
Jul-09-09 02:41 PM |
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Is it ok if I liked some of the guys movies? |
Johonny |
Jul-09-09 02:59 PM |
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Where does it mention anything about not liking his movies. I like many Wayne films. |
WI_DEM |
Jul-09-09 03:10 PM |
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I would rather say that I am a fan of John Ford films, but yah |
wolfgangmo |
Jul-09-09 05:00 PM |
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clearly a few ppl in the thread do |
Johonny |
Jul-10-09 12:08 AM |
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John Wayne in "Green Berets" ... the only time we actually threw things at the screen in Nam |
TahitiNut |
Jul-09-09 03:18 PM |
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Thanks TahitiNut, until now I've made internal excuses for John Wayne. |
ControlledDemolition |
Jul-10-09 12:40 AM |
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John Wayne in The Conqueror - one of the funniest movies I've ever seen |
aint_no_life_nowhere |
Jul-10-09 12:56 AM |
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Slim Pickens stole the show. |
Vidar |
Jul-10-09 04:22 PM |
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"A poem, by John Wayne" |
road2000 |
Jul-10-09 04:15 PM |
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