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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-09-09 10:34 AM
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15. The author of the article made some great points about social conservatism
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I have a theory: Social conservatives, more than liberals, tend to embrace myths and make-believe. They distrust realities that don't jibe with their fairy tales. They're more inclined to dismiss scientific evidence of evolution and global-warming. They're more inclined to see the world in simple terms of good and bad -- with no ambiguities -- just like in John Wayne's movies.

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Social conservatives generally see the American flag as more sacred than the U.S. Constitution. That's because the flag is about emotion, while the Constitution is about complicated concepts that require courts to intepret. We get no freedoms from the flag, but we are supposed to treat it with almost religious reverence. We get our American system -- freedoms and all -- from the Constitution, but nobody's going to get upset if I carelessly throw a copy of it in the garbage.

In that same sense, the popular image of John Wayne is about emotion rather than complicated concepts. He seemed manly because he wasn't very complicated, at least in his roles on the screen. In his movies, he didn't play lawyers or judges or politicians or professors. Rather, he played cowboys and marshals and soldiers and other kinds of men who took no guff from anybody and didn't have to study legalistic footnotes to decide what was right or wrong....
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  -The Curious Legend of John Wayne WI_DEM  Jul-09-09 10:00 AM   #0 
  - I've always loved Manchester's story of the booing. Here's a photo of the RealJohnWayne  Captain Hilts   Jul-09-09 10:05 AM   #1 
  - I met Ted Williams in the early '80s at Winter Haven during spring training.  predfan   Jul-09-09 10:17 AM   #7 
  - Awesome!  Captain Hilts   Jul-09-09 10:39 AM   #19 
  - The author of the article made some great points about social conservatism  theHandpuppet   Jul-09-09 10:34 AM   #15 
  - Could you tell us more about the photo? I'm assuming that's  hedgehog   Jul-09-09 10:51 AM   #21 
     - It's Ted Williams. Served in 2 wars, gave up, how many seasons, Capt.,  predfan   Jul-09-09 10:55 AM   #22 
     - It's Ted Williams when he was flying fighters in the Korean War. He went to Korea  Captain Hilts   Jul-09-09 10:57 AM   #24 
        - Thanks!  hedgehog   Jul-09-09 11:10 AM   #28 
           - You're welcome, 'Hog!  Captain Hilts   Jul-09-09 11:11 AM   #29 
  - Well, Pilgrim. you're a cruisin' for a bruisin' if you're a'gonna start in on  predfan   Jul-09-09 10:06 AM   #2 
  - Dog, I hate that movie. But he and O'Hara are very good together.  Captain Hilts   Jul-09-09 10:14 AM   #5 
  - When do actors match with real life  Annces   Jul-09-09 10:08 AM   #3 
  - I LOVE "They Were Expendable." You'd never know Montgomery was a true war hero of the two. nt  Captain Hilts   Jul-09-09 10:13 AM   #4 
  - And to think that thousands of Vietnam vets  pscot   Jul-09-09 10:15 AM   #6 
  - !  Echo In Light   Jul-09-09 10:18 AM   #9 
  - Not really a cowboy, never in the military; "John Wayne" wasn't even his real name  LeftinOH   Jul-09-09 10:18 AM   #8 
  - What no Audie Murphy? n/t  hootinholler   Jul-09-09 10:35 AM   #16 
  - Thanks to the shout out to Tracy! Yet he got hassled for being a draft dodger in WWII. nt  Captain Hilts   Jul-09-09 10:40 AM   #20 
  - Eddie Albert  pscot   Jul-09-09 11:07 AM   #27 
  - Always dug Eddie Albert ever since I was a little kid. Green Acres was awesome.  zonkers   Jul-09-09 11:12 AM   #30 
  - He lost much of his hearing in that operation  Frank Cannon   Jul-09-09 11:34 AM   #33 
  - Eddie Albert was a great man  Bluenorthwest   Jul-09-09 11:48 AM   #36 
     - Thanks for that info  Catherine Vincent   Jul-09-09 12:47 PM   #41 
     - his best buddy and fellow gardener was James Whitmore.  roguevalley   Jul-09-09 02:37 PM   #47 
  - Two great quotes from Eddie, a REAL hero  theHandpuppet   Jul-09-09 11:58 AM   #37 
  - Thanks for that  Frank Cannon   Jul-09-09 12:19 PM   #38 
  - Wow. I didn't know all these things about him.  TuxedoKat   Jul-09-09 12:39 PM   #40 
  - Lee Marvin, too  Blue_Tires   Jul-09-09 11:38 AM   #34 
  - I *LOVE* Lee Marvin. He was a decorated soldier. I think he was  roguevalley   Jul-09-09 02:38 PM   #48 
  - Lee Marvin was not a soldier  Thothmes   Jul-10-09 05:13 AM   #66 
     - meh. he served. My uncle was a marine and left on Guadalcanal  roguevalley   Jul-10-09 03:39 PM   #67 
  - Lee Marvin is buried in Arlington, right next to my Great Uncle Joe Louis  MrScorpio   Jul-09-09 03:45 PM   #60 
  - Know who else? This guy:  rockymountaindem   Jul-09-09 03:14 PM   #57 
  - All helmet, no soldier  TommyO   Jul-09-09 10:21 AM   #10 
  - Marion was just a big puffed up chickenhawk fraud  mitchum   Jul-09-09 10:26 AM   #11 
  - Ever see the movie Repo Man? haha  Echo In Light   Jul-09-09 10:31 AM   #14 
     - Repo Man is a classic.  proteus_lives   Jul-09-09 11:38 AM   #35 
  - Sounds like George McClellan  PVnRT   Jul-09-09 10:29 AM   #12 
  - My grandfather despised John Wayne just for this very reason  TornadoTN   Jul-09-09 10:31 AM   #13 
  - Your grandpa and my dad, real men, real heroes. I hug you.  roguevalley   Jul-09-09 02:40 PM   #49 
     - Thanks - and one for you as well. Both the greatest men, I'm sure  TornadoTN   Jul-09-09 03:07 PM   #55 
  - So it takes 100 yrs to unmask a Chickenhawk. So despite Shrub saying he doesn't care what History  UTUSN   Jul-09-09 10:36 AM   #17 
  - "I installed two-way mirrors in his pad in Brentwood, and he come to the door in a dress. "  htuttle   Jul-09-09 10:37 AM   #18 
  - ! ...see my post #14  Echo In Light   Jul-09-09 10:58 AM   #25 
  - the Marines honored him  GreatCaesarsGhost   Jul-09-09 10:56 AM   #23 
  - It always bothered me to see Republicans degrade civilian  hedgehog   Jul-09-09 10:59 AM   #26 
  - John Wayne was a mother fucking jerk...  Hepburn   Jul-09-09 11:21 AM   #31 
  - Here's a good list of actor/veterans  theHandpuppet   Jul-09-09 11:22 AM   #32 
  - Interesting reading. Thanx.  lumpy   Jul-09-09 03:02 PM   #54 
  - O'Reilly TWICE referred to Malmedy incorrectly as  stanwyck   Jul-09-09 05:27 PM   #62 
  - the war hero of my generation was John Rambo  electricD   Jul-09-09 12:21 PM   #39 
  - And he was a shitty actor.  progressoid   Jul-09-09 12:48 PM   #42 
  - LOL!  Catherine Vincent   Jul-09-09 12:50 PM   #43 
  - My dad rode on a troop ship with Errol Flynn.  bmbmd   Jul-09-09 12:50 PM   #44 
  - Clark Gable enlisted when Carole Lombard died in a bond raising  roguevalley   Jul-09-09 02:43 PM   #51 
  - I don't get it. Errol Flynn was gay? Flynn was famous for being  lumpy   Jul-09-09 02:53 PM   #52 
     - Good question.  bmbmd   Jul-09-09 03:36 PM   #59 
  - ages of stars  Jack35   Jul-09-09 12:51 PM   #45 
  - Wayne was as phony as they come.  Vidar   Jul-09-09 01:50 PM   #46 
  - George A. never saw John Wayne on the sands of Iwo Jima  KG   Jul-09-09 02:41 PM   #50 
  - Is it ok if I liked some of the guys movies?  Johonny   Jul-09-09 02:59 PM   #53 
  - Where does it mention anything about not liking his movies. I like many Wayne films.  WI_DEM   Jul-09-09 03:10 PM   #56 
     - I would rather say that I am a fan of John Ford films, but yah  wolfgangmo   Jul-09-09 05:00 PM   #61 
     - clearly a few ppl in the thread do  Johonny   Jul-10-09 12:08 AM   #63 
  - John Wayne in "Green Berets" ... the only time we actually threw things at the screen in Nam  TahitiNut   Jul-09-09 03:18 PM   #58 
  - Thanks TahitiNut, until now I've made internal excuses for John Wayne.  ControlledDemolition   Jul-10-09 12:40 AM   #64 
  - John Wayne in The Conqueror - one of the funniest movies I've ever seen  aint_no_life_nowhere   Jul-10-09 12:56 AM   #65 
  - Slim Pickens stole the show.  Vidar   Jul-10-09 04:22 PM   #69 
  - "A poem, by John Wayne"  road2000   Jul-10-09 04:15 PM   #68 
 

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