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37. Here's how wikipedia defines a police state...
According to their definition:

The term police state describes a state in which the government exercises rigid and repressive controls over the social, economic and political life of the population. A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.

The inhabitants of a police state experience restrictions on their mobility, and on their freedom to express or communicate political or other views, which are subject to police monitoring or enforcement. Political control may be exerted by means of a secret police force which operates outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state.


You can argue each of these characteristics til the cows come home, but it seems to me that, once the Bushies got through shoving through the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, various hidden little "gotchas" in annual pentagon budgets, presidential directives, executive orders, signing statements and the like down our throats ...

It seems to me that the US meets most or all Wiki's criteria.

-- little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive: check. And it helps to have a bough-and-paid-for Congress to aid and abet a totalitarian regime so that every time you need more money for "the war effort," it magically appears with minimal debate and no real opposition (and that can't be quickly marginalized and contained).

-- restrictions on mobility: check. One million and counting on so-called "no-fly lists;" border harassment becoming routine; "constitution-free" zones extending some 100 miles from all borders, land or sea; TSA idiots messing with blue-rinse grannies and stealing their antique sewing scissors...

-- restrictions on freedom to express or communicate political or other views, which are subject to police monitoring or enforcement: check. And good evening all you NSA shitheads wherever or whatever you may be.

-- political control ... by means of a secret police force (operating) outside the boundaries normally imposed by a constitutional state: check. I know Blackwater changed its name, but it's still in the same line of work. As are the more than 100 private armies and spook privatization companies now under federal contract.

Anybody see goodness and decency and government of, by and for the people in that very partial litany?

If you remain unconvinced, this dreary post might just push you over the edge.




sf

(the blabbermouth formerly known as Warren Pease now writing as Steven Franklin cuz that's kinda like 2/3 of my real name, eh? Close enough for gummint work.)

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  We Live In a Police State ThomWV  Jul-05-09 12:02 PM   #0 
   Agree.  mmonk   Jul-05-09 12:04 PM   #1 
   police state is specific. we are not even close yet. are police and lawmakers  seabeyond   Jul-05-09 12:04 PM   #2 
   Would you care to elaborate on specific?  midnight   Jul-05-09 12:09 PM   #3 
      i think our laws, justice system, constitution ect... still allows for us to  seabeyond   Jul-05-09 12:31 PM   #11 
   Thirty years of Reagan politics, and eight years of Bush got us closer.  backscatter712   Jul-05-09 12:10 PM   #4 
   Very well said.  ThomWV   Jul-05-09 12:15 PM   #8 
   I don't know about "close", but we've certainly laid the foundation.  MercutioATC   Jul-05-09 12:10 PM   #5 
   Closer to a chaotic thug, vigilante and rent-a-cop state.  sharesunited   Jul-05-09 12:14 PM   #6 
   The numbers speak for themselves  notesdev   Jul-05-09 12:14 PM   #7 
   My theory is that the closer you live to civilization,  panader0   Jul-05-09 12:22 PM   #9 
   Move to a police state - North Korea - actually just enter it and get thrown in jail  stray cat   Jul-05-09 12:25 PM   #10 
   Not all police states are overtly aggressive.  mmonk   Jul-05-09 12:34 PM   #12 
   That's more like it  HughMoran   Jul-05-09 12:35 PM   #14 
   I think the ones that are out of touch are the ones that aren't alarmed  mmonk   Jul-05-09 12:52 PM   #17 
   Yes, your opinions are clear  HughMoran   Jul-05-09 02:31 PM   #25 
   You're right...  Subdivisions   Jul-05-09 01:10 PM   #19 
   "beginnings" of a police state  HughMoran   Jul-05-09 02:43 PM   #28 
   Only a totalitarian fascist ninja zombie robot would say such a thing!  Posteritatis   Jul-05-09 02:32 PM   #26 
      lol  HughMoran   Jul-05-09 02:41 PM   #27 
   police state is not the same as a totalitarian state  Warren Stupidity   Jul-05-09 02:48 PM   #29 
   Yesterday I would have said no but after the cops  walldude   Jul-05-09 12:35 PM   #13 
   Move to NH  HughMoran   Jul-05-09 12:36 PM   #15 
      Actually used to live in Hooksett  walldude   Jul-06-09 01:00 PM   #38 
   For some it already is. For others it will never be "a police state" because that's what they want  kenny blankenship   Jul-05-09 12:42 PM   #16 
   If it weren't a police state, why are we still at war in two countries that had zero to do with 911?  Octafish   Jul-05-09 12:58 PM   #18 
   Only Freepers  Turbineguy   Jul-05-09 01:20 PM   #20 
   I absolutely agree, & I don't see Hoemland Security withering away under Obama.  Vidar   Jul-05-09 01:23 PM   #21 
   Close, not very close, but moreso than is really needed- Violent crime is way down  old mark   Jul-05-09 02:19 PM   #22 
   If we lived in a police state we wouldn;t be posting here.  Odin2005   Jul-05-09 02:22 PM   #23 
   ironically unaware that this post went into the database. nt.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-05-09 02:51 PM   #30 
   Once they start tracking our "car mileage", have all of our drivers licenses chipped and as many  OmmmSweetOmmm   Jul-05-09 02:31 PM   #24 
   The US isn't a police state  comrade snarky   Jul-05-09 03:39 PM   #31 
   If we're not living in a police state, we're getting closer...  Subdivisions   Jul-05-09 04:35 PM   #32 
   Anyone who thinks this is a police state has never lived in a police state.  Bucky   Jul-05-09 04:41 PM   #33 
   Pls. define what "Police State" means re: this poll.  dixiegrrrrl   Jul-05-09 04:49 PM   #34 
   Oh, marshall law CAN HAPPEN! When and Where the feds  Fire1   Jul-05-09 05:02 PM   #36 
   not even close  rollin74   Jul-05-09 04:51 PM   #35 
   Here's how wikipedia defines a police state...  warren pease   Jul-05-09 11:42 PM   #37 
   Tip-toe totalitarianism. It's been incremental via America's phony "war$"  Echo In Light   Jul-06-09 01:06 PM   #39 
   Let's poll all the people who have been arrested for pot.  asdjrocky   Jul-06-09 01:11 PM   #40 
   Power has learned its lessons. The new police state is more elaborate, sophisticated on surface  Echo In Light   Jul-06-09 01:44 PM   #44 
   for those who think we are a police state -- a question  onenote   Jul-06-09 01:18 PM   #41 
   November 22, 1963  Octafish   Jul-06-09 01:21 PM   #42 
      Agreed. It was a defining moment.  mnhtnbb   Jul-06-09 01:47 PM   #45 
      Post WW2: rise of the National $ecurity State ruse, CIA, etc  Echo In Light   Jul-06-09 01:48 PM   #46 
         Here are some dates to consider  onenote   Jul-06-09 04:56 PM   #47 
      so we were a free country in the 1800s? The 30s? the 50s?  Uzybone   Jul-06-09 05:19 PM   #50 
   Cows  pipi_k   Jul-06-09 01:39 PM   #43 
   We live under a lot of surveillance and control  marions ghost   Jul-06-09 05:09 PM   #48 
   Other.  H2O Man   Jul-06-09 05:17 PM   #49 
   Those who agree with this statement dishonor those who really do live in a police state  Boomerang Diddle   Jul-06-09 05:51 PM   #51 
      The difference being...  warren pease   Jul-07-09 04:45 PM   #52 
 

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