| 131. They do have the right to get compensated |
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See post #112 for a proposal for compensation via file sharing.
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| -ATTENTION COLLEGE STUDENTS - You can end RIAA harassment |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 04:31 PM |
#0 |
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K&R! |
danagsk8 |
Apr-07-07 04:37 PM |
#1 |
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Easier said than done. |
EOO |
Apr-07-07 04:37 PM |
#2 |
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If a boycott works, then they will just blame p2p downloading |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 04:47 PM |
#5 |
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The boycott will work when demands are met! |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 05:38 PM |
#11 |
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So get off your butts and get to work! |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 05:34 PM |
#9 |
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what's the riaa? n/t |
orleans |
Apr-07-07 11:25 PM |
#72 |
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Recording Industry Assn. of America |
crikkett |
Apr-08-07 10:57 AM |
#89 |
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"It's going to take a lot to bring those a** down" |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 05:36 PM |
#10 |
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Ding ding ding! We have a winner! |
EOO |
Apr-07-07 06:15 PM |
#17 |
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so are you saying that you wouldn't participate or are you saying that you |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 06:30 PM |
#20 |
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No, I would never work for the RIAA. I hate them. |
EOO |
Apr-07-07 06:46 PM |
#23 |
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I believe it's easier than you think. |
Edweird |
Apr-07-07 05:53 PM |
#15 |
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but in the meantime, more college students (maybe you!) are getting snagged at $1000s /ea. |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 06:29 PM |
#19 |
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well, I pay for my mp3's. |
Edweird |
Apr-07-07 06:47 PM |
#24 |
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Do you use Allofmp3.com? |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 06:53 PM |
#26 |
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I heard about that lawsuit. I have used them, but not recently. |
Edweird |
Apr-07-07 06:58 PM |
#28 |
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There are only so many places where copyright law can reach on Earth |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 07:01 PM |
#29 |
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And on that note, I would bet the farm that Putin couldn't |
Edweird |
Apr-07-07 07:06 PM |
#30 |
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I doubt many countries care what American intellectual property owners think |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 07:10 PM |
#32 |
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You are absolutely correct. Monsanto and ADM and their ilk are bad. |
Edweird |
Apr-07-07 07:24 PM |
#35 |
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I doubt Order 81 is actively being enforced |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 07:30 PM |
#37 |
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Speaking of the RIAA... |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 04:39 PM |
#3 |
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You can always buy used CD's |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 04:43 PM |
#4 |
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you can get TONS of music on this. |
Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel |
Apr-07-07 05:01 PM |
#6 |
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A 16GB one is still pretty expensive |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 06:43 PM |
#22 |
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yeah, make your own music instead of ripping off somebody else :-) |
msongs |
Apr-07-07 05:09 PM |
#7 |
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Yeah, cos' them mp3 swappers are cutting into your profits, right? |
Edweird |
Apr-07-07 05:44 PM |
#13 |
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Someone has to distribute it. |
Unvanguard |
Apr-07-07 07:58 PM |
#41 |
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well, yes, someone does need to distribute it. However, you're missing the point. |
Edweird |
Apr-08-07 09:11 AM |
#85 |
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If I like your music, I'll buy it directly from you |
Heywoodj |
Apr-08-07 12:12 PM |
#90 |
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False analogy. |
Zhade |
Apr-08-07 05:23 PM |
#106 |
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Anybody CAN make their own music.. |
sendero |
Apr-09-07 05:39 PM |
#164 |
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heh, I thought you were going to say "stop downloading music illegally... |
aikoaiko |
Apr-07-07 05:19 PM |
#8 |
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The RIAA is a wounded animal. It will bite you, if you mess with it. |
philosophie_en_rose |
Apr-07-07 05:42 PM |
#12 |
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It's a hail mary. Give it time. They are dying. |
Edweird |
Apr-07-07 05:45 PM |
#14 |
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They should try to recoup their losses by putting out a product worth buying. nt |
bbernardini |
Apr-07-07 05:57 PM |
#16 |
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that alone is why I thought a boycott would be easy. |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 06:33 PM |
#21 |
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Not charing $15-$20 for CD's would also do good |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 06:56 PM |
#27 |
| -
there's plenty worth buying |
LifeDuringWartime |
Apr-07-07 10:42 PM |
#64 |
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Maybe if CD's didn't cost the same as DVD's |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:45 PM |
#66 |
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It is harassment when... |
whoneedstickets |
Apr-08-07 12:52 AM |
#75 |
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The Federal Trade Commission busted their fucking asses in the 1990s for price fixing. |
Selatius |
Apr-08-07 03:58 AM |
#82 |
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This is what college students are already doing |
gravity |
Apr-07-07 06:20 PM |
#18 |
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And the percentage of young people who download is a majority |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 06:48 PM |
#25 |
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The problem is that students are going to get the music for free |
gravity |
Apr-07-07 07:21 PM |
#34 |
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You need a legit system that takes away that incentive |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 07:28 PM |
#36 |
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universities have tried to buy licenses for their student bodies before |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 08:29 PM |
#46 |
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$1.29 for a song is cheap |
gravity |
Apr-08-07 02:14 AM |
#79 |
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That's because they were price fixing in the 1990s, that's why it was so damn expensive. |
Selatius |
Apr-08-07 04:02 AM |
#83 |
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what would those demands be? |
Little Wing |
Apr-07-07 07:07 PM |
#31 |
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See post #5 |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 07:12 PM |
#33 |
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In a society where filesharing is widespread |
Unvanguard |
Apr-07-07 07:34 PM |
#38 |
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You dirty commie! |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 07:39 PM |
#39 |
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The problem I see with that proposal |
Unvanguard |
Apr-07-07 07:44 PM |
#40 |
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Solution: |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 08:05 PM |
#42 |
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But not all filesharing is illegal, even now. |
Unvanguard |
Apr-07-07 08:10 PM |
#44 |
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Okay, there's a REAL misunderstanding of what we're talking about here. |
kgfnally |
Apr-08-07 11:44 PM |
#120 |
| -
I don't think you're talking about what we were talking about at all |
Unvanguard |
Apr-09-07 12:47 AM |
#143 |
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You're talking about illegal copying. |
kgfnally |
Apr-09-07 12:59 AM |
#145 |
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No. I'm talking about a very specific solution to illegal copying. |
Unvanguard |
Apr-09-07 01:02 AM |
#146 |
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I don't think there IS a solution. |
kgfnally |
Apr-09-07 01:07 AM |
#148 |
| -
Okay, fair enough. |
Unvanguard |
Apr-09-07 01:15 AM |
#150 |
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I'm totally with you. |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 09:05 PM |
#51 |
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When you pay $16 for a CD, how much do you think goes to royalties? |
Edweird |
Apr-07-07 08:07 PM |
#43 |
| -
True, but this system will lay the groundwork for getting rid of record labels |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:07 PM |
#53 |
| -
Isn't there already a surcharge on blank media? |
kgfnally |
Apr-08-07 11:29 PM |
#115 |
| -
Canada does this |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 11:33 PM |
#118 |
| -
Ah, it was Canada. |
kgfnally |
Apr-08-07 11:53 PM |
#128 |
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Or Maybe They Just Shouldn't Download Illegally? |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-07-07 08:22 PM |
#45 |
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that's working REALLY WELL - like a tax on tea |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 08:31 PM |
#47 |
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The RIAA Has A Right To Go After Them Is All. To Believe Otherwise Would Be Amazingly Silly. |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-07-07 08:43 PM |
#48 |
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The Birmingham Police had a right to go after Black protesters didn't they? |
crikkett |
Apr-07-07 09:03 PM |
#50 |
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ROFLMAO!!!!! You Can't POSSIBLY Believe That's Relevant To This Debate Somehow Can You? ROFLMAO!! |
OPERATIONMINDCRIME |
Apr-07-07 09:13 PM |
#52 |
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Okay fine. |
crikkett |
Apr-08-07 01:27 AM |
#76 |
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The RIAA has a legal right to sue those who are violating its copyright. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-08-07 11:39 PM |
#119 |
| -
And that legal right was written by THEM |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 11:59 PM |
#130 |
| -
Doesn't matter. It's still their right. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 12:03 AM |
#132 |
| -
Sadly, they have the law on their side |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 12:08 AM |
#135 |
| -
I think we need to take a serious look at just how important copyright can be |
kgfnally |
Apr-09-07 12:27 AM |
#140 |
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Just as we have the right to negotiate the terms of said copyright. |
crikkett |
Apr-09-07 02:15 PM |
#161 |
| -
No, we do not. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 05:46 PM |
#165 |
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Yes, we do. Copyright is a privelege. |
crikkett |
Apr-11-07 11:41 AM |
#187 |
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I'd guess that 99% of the stuff |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-11-07 06:26 PM |
#189 |
| -
I'd pipe down the hyperbole if I was you. |
Commie Pinko Dirtbag |
Apr-09-07 09:23 AM |
#157 |
| -
there you go! |
NJCher |
Apr-08-07 03:29 AM |
#80 |
| -
Hear! Hear! |
HughMoran |
Apr-07-07 08:48 PM |
#49 |
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You should check out this site, which has a free service & a paid one: |
JeffR |
Apr-08-07 09:28 AM |
#86 |
| -
OR! You can stop stealing music. |
Blue-Jay |
Apr-07-07 10:08 PM |
#54 |
| -
... |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:13 PM |
#55 |
| -
How about this: |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:17 PM |
#56 |
| -
That really doesn't make any sense. |
Blue-Jay |
Apr-07-07 10:26 PM |
#59 |
| -
It applies the logic to making copies of songs |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:32 PM |
#61 |
| -
Explain to me how you go about making |
Blue-Jay |
Apr-07-07 10:36 PM |
#62 |
| -
I'm applying the same process to tomatoes are you would with buying |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:44 PM |
#65 |
| -
So...You're saying that if it's out there for free, |
Blue-Jay |
Apr-07-07 10:46 PM |
#67 |
| -
If it's not part of the for-sale inventory, then yes |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:50 PM |
#68 |
| -
OK then. Make an "atomic copy" (WTF?) of a tomato. |
Blue-Jay |
Apr-07-07 11:00 PM |
#69 |
| -
What about recording a song of their's off of your radio? |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 11:08 PM |
#71 |
| -
but who's got the right to tell me that I can't give away my tomatoes? |
crikkett |
Apr-08-07 10:51 AM |
#87 |
| -
Of course you can give away music |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-08-07 12:46 PM |
#93 |
| -
no I want to move a song from one itunes to another. |
crikkett |
Apr-08-07 02:49 PM |
#97 |
| -
YOU said the RIAA |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-08-07 03:39 PM |
#99 |
| -
it's too easy to go around in circles on this. |
crikkett |
Apr-08-07 03:56 PM |
#101 |
| -
this Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon |
NJCher |
Apr-08-07 03:41 AM |
#81 |
| -
How about you borrow a book from the library? |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-08-07 12:28 PM |
#91 |
| -
Oh for fuck's sake. What if I have a photographic memory, |
kgfnally |
Apr-09-07 12:09 AM |
#136 |
| -
No thanks. |
jaredh |
Apr-08-07 12:21 AM |
#74 |
| -
Yeah, stop stealing music, an itune is only 99 cents |
cgrindley |
Apr-07-07 10:21 PM |
#57 |
| -
99 cents per song is still pretty high |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:25 PM |
#58 |
| -
no it isn't |
cgrindley |
Apr-07-07 10:31 PM |
#60 |
| -
It's a song that anyone can make a copy of from their computer an give to a friend |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-07-07 10:41 PM |
#63 |
| -
itunes drm is a joke |
cgrindley |
Apr-07-07 11:03 PM |
#70 |
| -
I've tried doing that and it hasn't worked for me |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 12:17 AM |
#73 |
| -
Me too |
cgrindley |
Apr-08-07 06:24 AM |
#84 |
| -
99 cents is high compared to free |
gravity |
Apr-08-07 02:09 AM |
#78 |
| -
The inflation argument doesn't apply to enterntainment |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 10:53 AM |
#88 |
| -
Intellectual property is not technology |
gravity |
Apr-08-07 11:01 PM |
#109 |
| -
yoo hoo |
NJCher |
Apr-09-07 06:08 PM |
#168 |
| -
The only thing keeping the Music Industry alive is the power... |
ToeBot |
Apr-08-07 01:56 AM |
#77 |
| -
How 'bout paying the friggin' $0.99? |
Richardo |
Apr-08-07 12:45 PM |
#92 |
| -
So you support treating 60 million people like criminals? |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 01:37 PM |
#94 |
| -
If they're breaking the law, they ARE criminals. |
Richardo |
Apr-08-07 11:11 PM |
#111 |
| -
Realistically, would you support suing 20% of the population? |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 11:28 PM |
#114 |
| -
Lawsuits are civil actions, not criminal actions. |
Richardo |
Apr-09-07 03:39 AM |
#154 |
| -
I'm so glad you're such a big supporter of the law |
NJCher |
Apr-09-07 06:28 PM |
#169 |
| -
I see you have the 'Stupid Laws in All 50 States' book |
Richardo |
Apr-10-07 05:13 PM |
#186 |
| -
Exactly. |
donco6 |
Apr-08-07 01:38 PM |
#96 |
| -
that's exactly the problem |
NJCher |
Apr-09-07 06:42 PM |
#173 |
| -
Yeah it is, actually. |
donco6 |
Apr-09-07 07:10 PM |
#176 |
| -
sigh |
NJCher |
Apr-09-07 09:43 PM |
#180 |
| -
Guess so. Want a chockie? eom |
donco6 |
Apr-09-07 09:47 PM |
#181 |
| -
when i was in college there were a lot of things i did without and it didn't |
chimpsrsmarter |
Apr-08-07 03:03 PM |
#98 |
| -
You're aces, crs |
Richardo |
Apr-08-07 11:10 PM |
#110 |
| -
I dunno, said rule doesn't apply to beer in my experience |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-09-07 03:27 AM |
#153 |
| -
I'm surprised that there are so many RIAA apologists on here |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 01:38 PM |
#95 |
| -
Maybe it's because you're wrong. |
donco6 |
Apr-08-07 03:47 PM |
#100 |
| -
You know, it might be because |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-08-07 11:49 PM |
#123 |
| -
Who gives a flying fuck about the artists? |
BushOut06 |
Apr-08-07 04:20 PM |
#102 |
| -
I used to use Bearshare. |
donco6 |
Apr-08-07 10:55 PM |
#108 |
| -
That's a false analogy |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 11:26 PM |
#113 |
| -
And that's a false analogy also. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-08-07 11:50 PM |
#124 |
| -
Music being sold is as much of a commodity |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 11:52 PM |
#127 |
| -
And were you to steal the commodity |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-08-07 11:56 PM |
#129 |
| -
Suppose you wrote a book - would it be okay for me to make copies and give them away for free? |
BushOut06 |
Apr-09-07 05:46 AM |
#155 |
| -
How can you boycott something if you aren't buying it anyway? |
Nicole |
Apr-08-07 04:24 PM |
#103 |
| -
I am so fucking sick of this- it is stealing - plain and simple |
Beaverhausen |
Apr-08-07 05:06 PM |
#104 |
| -
Many of those positions will be obsolete in another 10-20 years |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 05:10 PM |
#105 |
| -
You just make no sense at all. |
donco6 |
Apr-08-07 10:52 PM |
#107 |
| -
I defend the use of p2p from a moral stance |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 11:24 PM |
#112 |
| -
It is STEALING - plain and fucking simple! |
BushOut06 |
Apr-09-07 05:50 AM |
#156 |
| -
I defend file sharing from a moral standpoint, not legal |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 11:18 AM |
#159 |
| -
So use emusic.com |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-08-07 11:45 PM |
#121 |
| -
I haven't stopped giving money to artists because of file sharing |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 11:51 PM |
#125 |
| -
stop stealing the music...GO RIAA |
asSEENonTV |
Apr-08-07 11:32 PM |
#116 |
| -
Copyright luddites are losing |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-08-07 11:46 PM |
#122 |
| -
And what would you define 'copyright' as, |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-08-07 11:51 PM |
#126 |
| -
They do have the right to get compensated |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 12:01 AM |
#131 |
| -
They have the right to decide the compensation |
gravity |
Apr-09-07 12:03 AM |
#133 |
| -
What about piano player rolls, broadcast radio and cable TV? |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 12:05 AM |
#134 |
| -
You realize that your "plan" already exists. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 12:10 AM |
#137 |
| -
There wouldn't be much of a free rider problem |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 12:14 AM |
#138 |
| -
So what if you use a different client? |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 12:24 AM |
#139 |
| -
It would be a voluntary premium service |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 12:31 AM |
#141 |
| -
We have voluntary premium services already. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 12:42 AM |
#142 |
| -
The plan I'm talking about is not quite analogous |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 12:50 AM |
#144 |
| -
The only "difference" you have |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 05:34 PM |
#163 |
| -
DRM is a HUGE reason for why people aren't flocking to non-itunes legit services |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 06:39 PM |
#172 |
| -
It needs to be a client that HAS pay content but doesn't FORCE pay content |
kgfnally |
Apr-09-07 01:05 AM |
#147 |
| -
Bittorent could be useful for the RIAA |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 01:13 AM |
#149 |
| -
And should the same be true of software? |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-09-07 03:10 AM |
#151 |
| -
It doesn't "excuse theft" |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 11:09 AM |
#158 |
| -
I'm not sure how much |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-09-07 12:49 PM |
#160 |
| -
attribution theory |
NJCher |
Apr-09-07 07:01 PM |
#175 |
| -
I'm not sure |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-09-07 08:24 PM |
#178 |
| -
just because computers are involved |
NJCher |
Apr-09-07 09:41 PM |
#179 |
| -
well I'm sure it's a fascinating subject |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-09-07 09:57 PM |
#182 |
| -
why it's a big issue |
NJCher |
Apr-10-07 08:05 AM |
#183 |
| -
Other than underhanded insults |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-10-07 10:35 AM |
#184 |
| -
Where |
NJCher |
Apr-10-07 03:41 PM |
#185 |
| -
Again |
MonkeyFunk |
Apr-11-07 11:51 AM |
#188 |
| -
Yeah, lemme know how that one works. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-08-07 11:33 PM |
#117 |
| -
I say that we pass a law capping RIAA lawsuits at $1 per song downloaded |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-09-07 03:23 AM |
#152 |
| -
Intellectual property is not a "privilege," as you say. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 05:28 PM |
#162 |
| -
No, it's not, there is nothing in the constitution guaranteeing you intellectual property |
Hippo_Tron |
Apr-09-07 05:47 PM |
#166 |
| -
It seems you have a very sketchy definition of "entitlement" |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 05:48 PM |
#167 |
| -
IP laws can be changed at any time by Congress |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 06:31 PM |
#170 |
| -
That's not at all relevant. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 06:37 PM |
#171 |
| -
Well that amendment would require 3/4ths of the states supporting that |
Ignacio Upton |
Apr-09-07 06:50 PM |
#174 |
| -
And, again. |
Kelly Rupert |
Apr-09-07 07:14 PM |
#177 |
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