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  -ATTENTION COLLEGE STUDENTS - You can end RIAA harassment crikkett  Apr-07-07 04:31 PM   #0 
  - K&R!  danagsk8   Apr-07-07 04:37 PM   #1 
  - Easier said than done.  EOO   Apr-07-07 04:37 PM   #2 
  - If a boycott works, then they will just blame p2p downloading  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 04:47 PM   #5 
  - The boycott will work when demands are met!  crikkett   Apr-07-07 05:38 PM   #11 
  - So get off your butts and get to work!  crikkett   Apr-07-07 05:34 PM   #9 
  - what's the riaa? n/t  orleans   Apr-07-07 11:25 PM   #72 
     - Recording Industry Assn. of America  crikkett   Apr-08-07 10:57 AM   #89 
  - "It's going to take a lot to bring those a** down"  crikkett   Apr-07-07 05:36 PM   #10 
  - Ding ding ding! We have a winner!  EOO   Apr-07-07 06:15 PM   #17 
     - so are you saying that you wouldn't participate or are you saying that you  crikkett   Apr-07-07 06:30 PM   #20 
        - No, I would never work for the RIAA. I hate them.  EOO   Apr-07-07 06:46 PM   #23 
  - I believe it's easier than you think.  Edweird   Apr-07-07 05:53 PM   #15 
     - but in the meantime, more college students (maybe you!) are getting snagged at $1000s /ea.  crikkett   Apr-07-07 06:29 PM   #19 
        - well, I pay for my mp3's.  Edweird   Apr-07-07 06:47 PM   #24 
           - Do you use Allofmp3.com?  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 06:53 PM   #26 
              - I heard about that lawsuit. I have used them, but not recently.  Edweird   Apr-07-07 06:58 PM   #28 
                 - There are only so many places where copyright law can reach on Earth  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 07:01 PM   #29 
                    - And on that note, I would bet the farm that Putin couldn't  Edweird   Apr-07-07 07:06 PM   #30 
                       - I doubt many countries care what American intellectual property owners think  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 07:10 PM   #32 
                          - You are absolutely correct. Monsanto and ADM and their ilk are bad.  Edweird   Apr-07-07 07:24 PM   #35 
                             - I doubt Order 81 is actively being enforced  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 07:30 PM   #37 
  - Speaking of the RIAA...  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 04:39 PM   #3 
  - You can always buy used CD's  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 04:43 PM   #4 
  - you can get TONS of music on this.  Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel   Apr-07-07 05:01 PM   #6 
     - A 16GB one is still pretty expensive  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 06:43 PM   #22 
  - yeah, make your own music instead of ripping off somebody else :-)  msongs   Apr-07-07 05:09 PM   #7 
  - Yeah, cos' them mp3 swappers are cutting into your profits, right?  Edweird   Apr-07-07 05:44 PM   #13 
  - Someone has to distribute it.  Unvanguard   Apr-07-07 07:58 PM   #41 
     - well, yes, someone does need to distribute it. However, you're missing the point.  Edweird   Apr-08-07 09:11 AM   #85 
  - If I like your music, I'll buy it directly from you  Heywoodj   Apr-08-07 12:12 PM   #90 
  - False analogy.  Zhade   Apr-08-07 05:23 PM   #106 
  - Anybody CAN make their own music..  sendero   Apr-09-07 05:39 PM   #164 
  - heh, I thought you were going to say "stop downloading music illegally...  aikoaiko   Apr-07-07 05:19 PM   #8 
  - The RIAA is a wounded animal. It will bite you, if you mess with it.  philosophie_en_rose   Apr-07-07 05:42 PM   #12 
  - It's a hail mary. Give it time. They are dying.  Edweird   Apr-07-07 05:45 PM   #14 
  - They should try to recoup their losses by putting out a product worth buying. nt  bbernardini   Apr-07-07 05:57 PM   #16 
  - that alone is why I thought a boycott would be easy.  crikkett   Apr-07-07 06:33 PM   #21 
  - Not charing $15-$20 for CD's would also do good  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 06:56 PM   #27 
  - there's plenty worth buying  LifeDuringWartime   Apr-07-07 10:42 PM   #64 
     - Maybe if CD's didn't cost the same as DVD's  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:45 PM   #66 
  - It is harassment when...  whoneedstickets   Apr-08-07 12:52 AM   #75 
  - The Federal Trade Commission busted their fucking asses in the 1990s for price fixing.  Selatius   Apr-08-07 03:58 AM   #82 
  - This is what college students are already doing  gravity   Apr-07-07 06:20 PM   #18 
  - And the percentage of young people who download is a majority  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 06:48 PM   #25 
     - The problem is that students are going to get the music for free  gravity   Apr-07-07 07:21 PM   #34 
        - You need a legit system that takes away that incentive  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 07:28 PM   #36 
           - universities have tried to buy licenses for their student bodies before  crikkett   Apr-07-07 08:29 PM   #46 
           - $1.29 for a song is cheap  gravity   Apr-08-07 02:14 AM   #79 
              - That's because they were price fixing in the 1990s, that's why it was so damn expensive.  Selatius   Apr-08-07 04:02 AM   #83 
  - what would those demands be?  Little Wing   Apr-07-07 07:07 PM   #31 
  - See post #5  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 07:12 PM   #33 
  - In a society where filesharing is widespread  Unvanguard   Apr-07-07 07:34 PM   #38 
  - You dirty commie!  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 07:39 PM   #39 
     - The problem I see with that proposal  Unvanguard   Apr-07-07 07:44 PM   #40 
     - Solution:  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 08:05 PM   #42 
        - But not all filesharing is illegal, even now.  Unvanguard   Apr-07-07 08:10 PM   #44 
        - Okay, there's a REAL misunderstanding of what we're talking about here.  kgfnally   Apr-08-07 11:44 PM   #120 
           - I don't think you're talking about what we were talking about at all  Unvanguard   Apr-09-07 12:47 AM   #143 
              - You're talking about illegal copying.  kgfnally   Apr-09-07 12:59 AM   #145 
                 - No. I'm talking about a very specific solution to illegal copying.  Unvanguard   Apr-09-07 01:02 AM   #146 
                    - I don't think there IS a solution.  kgfnally   Apr-09-07 01:07 AM   #148 
                       - Okay, fair enough.  Unvanguard   Apr-09-07 01:15 AM   #150 
        - I'm totally with you.  crikkett   Apr-07-07 09:05 PM   #51 
     - When you pay $16 for a CD, how much do you think goes to royalties?  Edweird   Apr-07-07 08:07 PM   #43 
     - True, but this system will lay the groundwork for getting rid of record labels  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:07 PM   #53 
     - Isn't there already a surcharge on blank media?  kgfnally   Apr-08-07 11:29 PM   #115 
        - Canada does this  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 11:33 PM   #118 
           - Ah, it was Canada.  kgfnally   Apr-08-07 11:53 PM   #128 
  - Or Maybe They Just Shouldn't Download Illegally?  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-07-07 08:22 PM   #45 
  - that's working REALLY WELL - like a tax on tea  crikkett   Apr-07-07 08:31 PM   #47 
  - The RIAA Has A Right To Go After Them Is All. To Believe Otherwise Would Be Amazingly Silly.  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-07-07 08:43 PM   #48 
     - The Birmingham Police had a right to go after Black protesters didn't they?  crikkett   Apr-07-07 09:03 PM   #50 
        - ROFLMAO!!!!! You Can't POSSIBLY Believe That's Relevant To This Debate Somehow Can You? ROFLMAO!!  OPERATIONMINDCRIME   Apr-07-07 09:13 PM   #52 
        - Okay fine.  crikkett   Apr-08-07 01:27 AM   #76 
           - The RIAA has a legal right to sue those who are violating its copyright.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-08-07 11:39 PM   #119 
              - And that legal right was written by THEM  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 11:59 PM   #130 
              - Doesn't matter. It's still their right.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 12:03 AM   #132 
                 - Sadly, they have the law on their side  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 12:08 AM   #135 
                 - I think we need to take a serious look at just how important copyright can be  kgfnally   Apr-09-07 12:27 AM   #140 
              - Just as we have the right to negotiate the terms of said copyright.  crikkett   Apr-09-07 02:15 PM   #161 
                 - No, we do not.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 05:46 PM   #165 
                    - Yes, we do. Copyright is a privelege.  crikkett   Apr-11-07 11:41 AM   #187 
                       - I'd guess that 99% of the stuff  MonkeyFunk   Apr-11-07 06:26 PM   #189 
        - I'd pipe down the hyperbole if I was you.  Commie Pinko Dirtbag   Apr-09-07 09:23 AM   #157 
  - there you go!  NJCher   Apr-08-07 03:29 AM   #80 
  - Hear! Hear!  HughMoran   Apr-07-07 08:48 PM   #49 
  - You should check out this site, which has a free service & a paid one:  JeffR   Apr-08-07 09:28 AM   #86 
  - OR! You can stop stealing music.  Blue-Jay   Apr-07-07 10:08 PM   #54 
  - ...  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:13 PM   #55 
  - How about this:  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:17 PM   #56 
  - That really doesn't make any sense.  Blue-Jay   Apr-07-07 10:26 PM   #59 
  - It applies the logic to making copies of songs  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:32 PM   #61 
     - Explain to me how you go about making  Blue-Jay   Apr-07-07 10:36 PM   #62 
        - I'm applying the same process to tomatoes are you would with buying  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:44 PM   #65 
        - So...You're saying that if it's out there for free,  Blue-Jay   Apr-07-07 10:46 PM   #67 
           - If it's not part of the for-sale inventory, then yes  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:50 PM   #68 
              - OK then. Make an "atomic copy" (WTF?) of a tomato.  Blue-Jay   Apr-07-07 11:00 PM   #69 
                 - What about recording a song of their's off of your radio?  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 11:08 PM   #71 
        - but who's got the right to tell me that I can't give away my tomatoes?  crikkett   Apr-08-07 10:51 AM   #87 
           - Of course you can give away music  MonkeyFunk   Apr-08-07 12:46 PM   #93 
              - no I want to move a song from one itunes to another.  crikkett   Apr-08-07 02:49 PM   #97 
                 - YOU said the RIAA  MonkeyFunk   Apr-08-07 03:39 PM   #99 
                    - it's too easy to go around in circles on this.  crikkett   Apr-08-07 03:56 PM   #101 
  - this Tom the Dancing Bug cartoon  NJCher   Apr-08-07 03:41 AM   #81 
  - How about you borrow a book from the library?  MonkeyFunk   Apr-08-07 12:28 PM   #91 
     - Oh for fuck's sake. What if I have a photographic memory,  kgfnally   Apr-09-07 12:09 AM   #136 
  - No thanks.  jaredh   Apr-08-07 12:21 AM   #74 
  - Yeah, stop stealing music, an itune is only 99 cents  cgrindley   Apr-07-07 10:21 PM   #57 
  - 99 cents per song is still pretty high  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:25 PM   #58 
     - no it isn't  cgrindley   Apr-07-07 10:31 PM   #60 
     - It's a song that anyone can make a copy of from their computer an give to a friend  Ignacio Upton   Apr-07-07 10:41 PM   #63 
        - itunes drm is a joke  cgrindley   Apr-07-07 11:03 PM   #70 
           - I've tried doing that and it hasn't worked for me  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 12:17 AM   #73 
              - Me too  cgrindley   Apr-08-07 06:24 AM   #84 
     - 99 cents is high compared to free  gravity   Apr-08-07 02:09 AM   #78 
        - The inflation argument doesn't apply to enterntainment  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 10:53 AM   #88 
           - Intellectual property is not technology  gravity   Apr-08-07 11:01 PM   #109 
              - yoo hoo  NJCher   Apr-09-07 06:08 PM   #168 
  - The only thing keeping the Music Industry alive is the power...  ToeBot   Apr-08-07 01:56 AM   #77 
  - How 'bout paying the friggin' $0.99?  Richardo   Apr-08-07 12:45 PM   #92 
  - So you support treating 60 million people like criminals?  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 01:37 PM   #94 
  - If they're breaking the law, they ARE criminals.  Richardo   Apr-08-07 11:11 PM   #111 
     - Realistically, would you support suing 20% of the population?  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 11:28 PM   #114 
     - Lawsuits are civil actions, not criminal actions.  Richardo   Apr-09-07 03:39 AM   #154 
     - I'm so glad you're such a big supporter of the law  NJCher   Apr-09-07 06:28 PM   #169 
        - I see you have the 'Stupid Laws in All 50 States' book  Richardo   Apr-10-07 05:13 PM   #186 
  - Exactly.  donco6   Apr-08-07 01:38 PM   #96 
  - that's exactly the problem  NJCher   Apr-09-07 06:42 PM   #173 
     - Yeah it is, actually.  donco6   Apr-09-07 07:10 PM   #176 
        - sigh  NJCher   Apr-09-07 09:43 PM   #180 
           - Guess so. Want a chockie? eom  donco6   Apr-09-07 09:47 PM   #181 
  - when i was in college there were a lot of things i did without and it didn't  chimpsrsmarter   Apr-08-07 03:03 PM   #98 
     - You're aces, crs  Richardo   Apr-08-07 11:10 PM   #110 
     - I dunno, said rule doesn't apply to beer in my experience  Hippo_Tron   Apr-09-07 03:27 AM   #153 
  - I'm surprised that there are so many RIAA apologists on here  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 01:38 PM   #95 
  - Maybe it's because you're wrong.  donco6   Apr-08-07 03:47 PM   #100 
  - You know, it might be because  Kelly Rupert   Apr-08-07 11:49 PM   #123 
  - Who gives a flying fuck about the artists?  BushOut06   Apr-08-07 04:20 PM   #102 
  - I used to use Bearshare.  donco6   Apr-08-07 10:55 PM   #108 
     - That's a false analogy  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 11:26 PM   #113 
        - And that's a false analogy also.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-08-07 11:50 PM   #124 
        - Music being sold is as much of a commodity  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 11:52 PM   #127 
           - And were you to steal the commodity  Kelly Rupert   Apr-08-07 11:56 PM   #129 
        - Suppose you wrote a book - would it be okay for me to make copies and give them away for free?  BushOut06   Apr-09-07 05:46 AM   #155 
  - How can you boycott something if you aren't buying it anyway?  Nicole   Apr-08-07 04:24 PM   #103 
  - I am so fucking sick of this- it is stealing - plain and simple  Beaverhausen   Apr-08-07 05:06 PM   #104 
  - Many of those positions will be obsolete in another 10-20 years  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 05:10 PM   #105 
     - You just make no sense at all.  donco6   Apr-08-07 10:52 PM   #107 
     - I defend the use of p2p from a moral stance  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 11:24 PM   #112 
        - It is STEALING - plain and fucking simple!  BushOut06   Apr-09-07 05:50 AM   #156 
           - I defend file sharing from a moral standpoint, not legal  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 11:18 AM   #159 
     - So use emusic.com  Kelly Rupert   Apr-08-07 11:45 PM   #121 
        - I haven't stopped giving money to artists because of file sharing  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 11:51 PM   #125 
  - stop stealing the music...GO RIAA  asSEENonTV   Apr-08-07 11:32 PM   #116 
  - Copyright luddites are losing  Ignacio Upton   Apr-08-07 11:46 PM   #122 
     - And what would you define 'copyright' as,  Kelly Rupert   Apr-08-07 11:51 PM   #126 
        - They do have the right to get compensated  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 12:01 AM   #131 
           - They have the right to decide the compensation  gravity   Apr-09-07 12:03 AM   #133 
           - What about piano player rolls, broadcast radio and cable TV?  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 12:05 AM   #134 
           - You realize that your "plan" already exists.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 12:10 AM   #137 
              - There wouldn't be much of a free rider problem  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 12:14 AM   #138 
                 - So what if you use a different client?  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 12:24 AM   #139 
                    - It would be a voluntary premium service  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 12:31 AM   #141 
                       - We have voluntary premium services already.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 12:42 AM   #142 
                       - The plan I'm talking about is not quite analogous  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 12:50 AM   #144 
                       - The only "difference" you have  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 05:34 PM   #163 
                          - DRM is a HUGE reason for why people aren't flocking to non-itunes legit services  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 06:39 PM   #172 
                       - It needs to be a client that HAS pay content but doesn't FORCE pay content  kgfnally   Apr-09-07 01:05 AM   #147 
                          - Bittorent could be useful for the RIAA  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 01:13 AM   #149 
                       - And should the same be true of software?  MonkeyFunk   Apr-09-07 03:10 AM   #151 
                          - It doesn't "excuse theft"  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 11:09 AM   #158 
                          - I'm not sure how much  MonkeyFunk   Apr-09-07 12:49 PM   #160 
                          - attribution theory  NJCher   Apr-09-07 07:01 PM   #175 
                             - I'm not sure  MonkeyFunk   Apr-09-07 08:24 PM   #178 
                                - just because computers are involved  NJCher   Apr-09-07 09:41 PM   #179 
                                   - well I'm sure it's a fascinating subject  MonkeyFunk   Apr-09-07 09:57 PM   #182 
                                      - why it's a big issue  NJCher   Apr-10-07 08:05 AM   #183 
                                         - Other than underhanded insults  MonkeyFunk   Apr-10-07 10:35 AM   #184 
                                            - Where  NJCher   Apr-10-07 03:41 PM   #185 
                                               - Again  MonkeyFunk   Apr-11-07 11:51 AM   #188 
  - Yeah, lemme know how that one works.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-08-07 11:33 PM   #117 
  - I say that we pass a law capping RIAA lawsuits at $1 per song downloaded  Hippo_Tron   Apr-09-07 03:23 AM   #152 
     - Intellectual property is not a "privilege," as you say.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 05:28 PM   #162 
        - No, it's not, there is nothing in the constitution guaranteeing you intellectual property  Hippo_Tron   Apr-09-07 05:47 PM   #166 
           - It seems you have a very sketchy definition of "entitlement"  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 05:48 PM   #167 
              - IP laws can be changed at any time by Congress  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 06:31 PM   #170 
                 - That's not at all relevant.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 06:37 PM   #171 
                    - Well that amendment would require 3/4ths of the states supporting that  Ignacio Upton   Apr-09-07 06:50 PM   #174 
                       - And, again.  Kelly Rupert   Apr-09-07 07:14 PM   #177 
 

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