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63. One more time.......!
If people can add up the national debt and partition it for that golly-gee-whiz gut grabber 37,000 dollars per person, then it is only appropriate to add up the national wealth - the national treasures and do the same thing - and then balance the debt with the assets - which yields the national net worth of the United States.

The national debt is the cumulative total of annual deficits and surpluses. When you consider that debt you must position it against the national wealth which is everything we own as a nation and not necessarily what individuals themselves own or owe.

For example I believe We, the People, own a major portion of the state of Nevada, for one. Add up all the other so called government land and national parks and public buildings and the rest and then compare it with that infamous trillions in national debt.

The national debt is indeed a problem because we, the taxpayers, have to pay interest on that debt, something like 500 billion per year. The best way to attack the debt is to balance the annual budgets. It can be done. Bill Clinton had three successive years with surpluses and he actually made two payments, several hundred million dollars, on the national debt.

I propose that we stop the hand wringing and breast beating and tell Obama and Congress to balance the annual budgets - NOW!
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  Am I the only one freaking out over the $37,000 each US citizen owes (even a baby!) dkf  Jul-04-09 03:50 PM   #0 
   WE all are guilty  Duckhunter935   Jul-04-09 03:55 PM   #1 
   Bingo!  MercutioATC   Jul-04-09 04:04 PM   #3 
   I didn't want Bush or his policies or wars. But I agree with your point. n/t  lindisfarne   Jul-04-09 04:08 PM   #6 
   The babies too?  varelse   Jul-04-09 04:13 PM   #12 
   ESPECIALLY the babies  qazplm   Jul-04-09 04:49 PM   #21 
   Very true  Yupster   Jul-04-09 06:04 PM   #30 
   If that's who's benefiting the most from our system...  CANDO   Jul-05-09 01:45 PM   #44 
      Remember though that with those Reagan tax cuts  Yupster   Jul-05-09 08:34 PM   #50 
         Well, then eliminate the loop holes!  CANDO   Jul-05-09 11:03 PM   #65 
            The loopholes were eliminated in 1986  Yupster   Jul-05-09 11:05 PM   #66 
               Wow are you insane? Reagan eliminated tax loopholes and deductions?  ContinentalOp   Jul-06-09 02:31 AM   #85 
                  Give the credit to Tip O'Neill if you want  Yupster   Jul-06-09 11:21 AM   #105 
   Bull fucking shit.  walldude   Jul-06-09 02:02 PM   #112 
   I think I still owe $$$ from the  Suich   Jul-04-09 03:57 PM   #2 
   Its worse than ages old credit card debt!  dkf   Jul-04-09 04:07 PM   #5 
   But Neil Bush isn't worried about his debt in that one  havocmom   Jul-04-09 04:12 PM   #11 
   Yes WE do! nt  snappyturtle   Jul-05-09 08:50 PM   #59 
   Well, according to Obama, just rescinding the Bush tax cuts  JeanGrey   Jul-04-09 04:05 PM   #4 
   You need to do some research. I don't think Obama ever claimed the national debt could be  lindisfarne   Jul-04-09 04:09 PM   #7 
   I was answering the other poster in regards to health care.  JeanGrey   Jul-04-09 04:11 PM   #9 
   Rescinding the Bush tax cuts while paying for health care keeps us even.  dkf   Jul-04-09 04:09 PM   #8 
      It never does, does it?  JeanGrey   Jul-04-09 04:12 PM   #10 
         Obama's plans used to make sense, but things are so different  dkf   Jul-04-09 04:16 PM   #13 
            As I said, it seems to always be that way, doesn't it?  JeanGrey   Jul-04-09 04:23 PM   #15 
   So Write Yourself a $37,000 Check and Feel Better...  KharmaTrain   Jul-04-09 04:18 PM   #14 
   If you gave Joe Blow a tax break years ago, you can't make him  dkf   Jul-04-09 04:33 PM   #18 
      Capital Gains Is A Bitch...  KharmaTrain   Jul-04-09 06:07 PM   #31 
      No I'm talking about pre-tax IRAs and Deferred Comp.  dkf   Jul-04-09 06:25 PM   #32 
         The rich and the smart predominantly use Roth IRA and Roth 401K  Statistical   Jul-06-09 08:52 AM   #93 
            Or put your taxable $ in munis.  dkf   Jul-06-09 09:29 AM   #97 
               Yeah if I was rich I would.  Statistical   Jul-06-09 09:31 AM   #98 
      Roth and Roth 401K for the win....  Statistical   Jul-06-09 08:51 AM   #92 
   Here is another way to look at it.  theoldman   Jul-04-09 04:25 PM   #16 
   Babies aren't so innocent  Oregone   Jul-04-09 04:27 PM   #17 
   It really does matter how you spend it  ThoughtCriminal   Jul-04-09 04:35 PM   #19 
   So would putting yourself $65000 in debt over medical bills  dkf   Jul-04-09 05:48 PM   #28 
   the only concern i have is there is`t an economic policy to pay the debt  madrchsod   Jul-04-09 04:42 PM   #20 
   Agree! Where is the long term strategy and plan? nt  ItNerd4life   Jul-06-09 01:59 PM   #110 
   You're not alone- this is a huge thing to me. n/t  Poll_Blind   Jul-04-09 04:50 PM   #22 
   Yep, I reckon the Democratic position is that poor people will just have to die  kenny blankenship   Jul-04-09 05:19 PM   #23 
   Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the debt to GDP ratio has been higher in the past  Telly Savalas   Jul-04-09 05:25 PM   #24 
   I agree to that... for now...  Deja Q   Jul-04-09 05:31 PM   #26 
   Oh yeah --- I'm not saying our level of debt is a good thing.  Telly Savalas   Jul-04-09 07:47 PM   #41 
      I bet they underestimated the cost of the health care plan  dkf   Jul-05-09 01:35 PM   #43 
         They are for sure underestimating the cost of health care  Yupster   Jul-05-09 08:38 PM   #52 
   It was higher during World War II  Yupster   Jul-04-09 06:03 PM   #29 
   World War II ended.  dkf   Jul-04-09 06:30 PM   #34 
      And where is it written in stone that health care costs must be paid by issuing debt?  Telly Savalas   Jul-04-09 07:43 PM   #39 
         We could pay for health care  Yupster   Jul-04-09 09:37 PM   #42 
   However at those points in time there was a plan to get back.  Statistical   Jul-06-09 08:55 AM   #95 
      I thought the President's promise  Yupster   Jul-06-09 01:50 PM   #109 
   Wait, republicans otherwise say we're not a society and it's about individual freedom, blah blah  Deja Q   Jul-04-09 05:30 PM   #25 
   Do you really want the Repubs to pick where we should cut  dkf   Jul-04-09 05:45 PM   #27 
   But..but..the masterminded bankers and politicians say it's for our own good!  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-04-09 06:29 PM   #33 
   That is all money gone and spent.  dkf   Jul-04-09 06:32 PM   #35 
      The answer is in the OP. We're in debt up to our armpits and we can't pay it back.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-04-09 06:43 PM   #36 
   Pay your bills!  ellisonz   Jul-04-09 07:08 PM   #37 
   The deficit doesn't matter until the recession is over  notwist   Jul-04-09 07:17 PM   #38 
   Agreed however our Congress today is spineless.  Statistical   Jul-06-09 09:36 AM   #100 
   Lotto tickets  heppcatt   Jul-04-09 07:44 PM   #40 
   Its alot, but that is going to be cut in half before the end of the 1st term  yodoobo   Jul-05-09 02:00 PM   #45 
   I thought he is going to cut half the yearly deficit, not half  dkf   Jul-05-09 08:41 PM   #53 
   No.  Statistical   Jul-06-09 02:42 PM   #115 
   Re 43% don't pay federal tax  SOS   Jul-05-09 02:39 PM   #46 
   That assumes no credits or deductions outside the standard deduction  Statistical   Jul-06-09 10:42 AM   #104 
   and yet there are still people banging on the doors to become a citizen of this country  adamuu   Jul-05-09 02:47 PM   #47 
   Do you know that people take great risk to life in order to reach the  Bluenorthwest   Jul-06-09 10:13 AM   #102 
   I see it differently and correctly.....  suston96   Jul-05-09 02:49 PM   #48 
   Well I'm looking at my assets and that is what freaks me out.  dkf   Jul-05-09 08:43 PM   #54 
      One more time.......!  suston96   Jul-05-09 10:53 PM   #63 
   Once the economy is back up, tax revenues will increase.  johnaries   Jul-05-09 03:15 PM   #49 
   Tax cuts on the rich will get us back to even if he passes health care.  dkf   Jul-05-09 08:44 PM   #55 
   I don't think people realize the scale of the deficit  Yupster   Jul-05-09 08:46 PM   #56 
      For perspective you have to compare it to the GDP.  johnaries   Jul-05-09 11:34 PM   #71 
         Good chart  Yupster   Jul-06-09 12:23 AM   #75 
            I think it's very comforting, when you consider the course Obama  johnaries   Jul-06-09 12:35 AM   #78 
               CBO shows defecits totally $9.27 T for next 10 years based on budget projections.  Statistical   Jul-06-09 03:52 PM   #121 
                  My point is that you cannot use those same figures for projections  johnaries   Jul-06-09 05:14 PM   #123 
                     Why?  Statistical   Jul-06-09 05:34 PM   #124 
                        Look at the history of such "projections". They have been  johnaries   Jul-06-09 10:52 PM   #130 
                           Well history shows otherwise.  Statistical   Jul-07-09 01:08 AM   #135 
                              Whoa, don't put words in my mouth. And the fact is we are constantly  johnaries   Jul-07-09 02:07 AM   #136 
                                 paying on the debt is not paying down the debt  Statistical   Jul-07-09 08:04 AM   #139 
   If it means the Republicans won't be able to afford to start any more stupid wars its a bargain  NNN0LHI   Jul-05-09 08:37 PM   #51 
   We ARE in a stupid war.  dkf   Jul-05-09 08:46 PM   #57 
      We are in 2 stupid wars that no one knows what our mission is  NNN0LHI   Jul-05-09 08:51 PM   #60 
   Not all debt is bad  taught_me_patience   Jul-05-09 08:46 PM   #58 
   Our projected deficit is $1T this year.  dkf   Jul-05-09 08:55 PM   #62 
      Our projected deficit this year is $ 1.8 trillion.  Yupster   Jul-05-09 11:07 PM   #67 
      $1.8T? When did that happen?  dkf   Jul-06-09 12:13 AM   #74 
      When congress passed the President's budget  Yupster   Jul-06-09 12:27 AM   #76 
         I don't know how they think only people making $250k can take care  dkf   Jul-06-09 12:42 AM   #80 
            good post  taught_me_patience   Jul-06-09 02:27 AM   #82 
               Agreed but you will find no support from the "tax the rich" head in the sand crowd n/t  Statistical   Jul-06-09 09:32 AM   #99 
      In four years  taught_me_patience   Jul-06-09 02:28 AM   #83 
         Even if the economy does grow we are in trouble  Statistical   Jul-06-09 02:47 PM   #116 
            So true  taught_me_patience   Jul-06-09 03:40 PM   #120 
      And the run-up in debt in 1942 was equivalent to $10T today.  johnaries   Jul-05-09 11:41 PM   #73 
         Not even close  taught_me_patience   Jul-06-09 02:32 AM   #86 
   The government is bankrupt; that debt will never be paid.  keep_it_real   Jul-05-09 08:52 PM   #61 
   How'd you like to be the countries we owe money to?  Generic Brad   Jul-05-09 10:58 PM   #64 
   Or the teacher pension funds  Yupster   Jul-05-09 11:09 PM   #68 
   Good luck collecting.  ohheckyeah   Jul-05-09 11:19 PM   #69 
   The full extent of what Bush has done is truly disasterous. Massive debt that bought us NOTHING  HughMoran   Jul-05-09 11:21 PM   #70 
   What Obama is doing isn't much better  DatManFromNawlins   Jul-06-09 02:55 PM   #118 
      That's the Republican sprit!  HughMoran   Jul-06-09 09:16 PM   #128 
         Time to go back on your meds, Hugh  DatManFromNawlins   Jul-06-09 11:07 PM   #131 
            I read your fucking nonsense - get some meds yourself  HughMoran   Jul-06-09 11:21 PM   #134 
   The answer is: we will not get out from under for 20 years plus  Jennicut   Jul-05-09 11:40 PM   #72 
   I'd like to reevaluate government  Yupster   Jul-06-09 12:31 AM   #77 
      We need bigger savings then that though I am sure that could help  Jennicut   Jul-06-09 12:39 AM   #79 
      My business gets overnight packages every day, but  Yupster   Jul-06-09 02:18 AM   #81 
      That is what is known as 'job elimination' and that is  Bluenorthwest   Jul-06-09 10:16 AM   #103 
      Can't we do it through attrition?  Yupster   Jul-06-09 11:25 AM   #106 
      That would suck for people who have Netflix  JonLP24   Jul-07-09 03:10 AM   #138 
         Don't you think there'd be other solutions?  Yupster   Jul-07-09 11:01 AM   #140 
            I can't get a DVD in my e-mail  JonLP24   Jul-07-09 12:10 PM   #142 
   Is this a joke?  FrenchieCat   Jul-06-09 02:29 AM   #84 
   I've never swallowed the line that deficits were no big deal.  dkf   Jul-06-09 07:00 AM   #88 
   maybe the Gates Foundation and the other groups will step in more in this country to help  tomm2thumbs   Jul-06-09 02:43 AM   #87 
   each citizen doesn't owe $37K. that distorts the case.  Hannah Bell   Jul-06-09 07:06 AM   #89 
   I guess for most here, people making over $250k a year owe the whole  dkf   Jul-06-09 08:36 AM   #91 
      Even worse than that. Another $7T coming  Statistical   Jul-06-09 09:07 AM   #96 
      you misunderstand. much of the us debt is internal. e.g. social security =  Hannah Bell   Jul-06-09 02:34 PM   #114 
         Unless you are willing to "forgive" the SS debt the govt owes you it is still debt owed.  Statistical   Jul-06-09 02:50 PM   #117 
            1. "the govt" doesn't pay for SS - workers do. 2. If mom owes dad $20 & dad owes mom $10 & mom  Hannah Bell   Jul-06-09 02:58 PM   #119 
               We have massive long term debt precisely because the rich refuse to pay their share.  Romulox   Jul-07-09 11:31 AM   #141 
   I have an idea, cut the bloated military budget!  B Calm   Jul-06-09 08:16 AM   #90 
   The entire military budget is about $613 billion.  dkf   Jul-06-09 08:53 AM   #94 
      How many billion per month we spending just in Iraq and Afghanistan?  B Calm   Jul-06-09 01:33 PM   #108 
      The majority of countries spend less than $1 billion a year on defense.  B Calm   Jul-06-09 06:09 PM   #127 
   The fun part: Every person pays $850 a year just to service that debt. nt  RUMMYisFROSTED   Jul-06-09 09:49 AM   #101 
   Wish I could rec this thread.  earth mom   Jul-06-09 11:30 AM   #107 
   It's why China laughed at us and our fiscal policy.  ItNerd4life   Jul-06-09 02:02 PM   #111 
   I don't owe those bastards shit.  Sebastian Doyle   Jul-06-09 02:16 PM   #113 
   What I want to know is why no one was concerned about this when  Cleita   Jul-06-09 03:56 PM   #122 
   It's always has been the way the cons operate. First they  B Calm   Jul-06-09 05:45 PM   #126 
   Lop off three zeros and it's only $37.  hunter   Jul-06-09 05:43 PM   #125 
   Somebody remind me what site I am on.  Laelth   Jul-06-09 09:42 PM   #129 
   I may cough up the money, but they'll never take our baby. LOL  subcomhd   Jul-06-09 11:15 PM   #132 
   Vote Republican and God will forgive your debt  jpak   Jul-06-09 11:16 PM   #133 
      I'm an athiest  dkf   Jul-07-09 02:33 AM   #137 
 

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