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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-04-09 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #151
153. I am one of those "older guys."
But I'm still not a libertarian. Anybody older than 19 who still takes that crap seriously is an idiot.
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  -I want some type of healthcare reform but I can not bring myself to think of it as a right RB TexLa  Jul-04-09 01:40 PM   #0 
  - What about a doctor whose education is paid for with public money  sharesunited   Jul-04-09 01:43 PM   #1 
  - maybe when we have such doctors but thats a long way off  stray cat   Jul-04-09 01:54 PM   #15 
     - I say instant incentives can be built into the plan.  sharesunited   Jul-04-09 02:10 PM   #32 
     - Far too busy shooting the ones who dare to provide a safe, clean environment where  warren pease   Jul-04-09 03:00 PM   #81 
     - We already do  nadinbrzezinski   Jul-04-09 06:52 PM   #213 
  - Huh?  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 01:43 PM   #2 
  - Besides,  tucsonlib   Jul-04-09 03:48 PM   #125 
  - (shrug) Terminiological quibbling. It's in the best interest of the nation...  BlooInBloo   Jul-04-09 01:43 PM   #3 
  - I agree....Whatever you call it, health care for all benefits the nation in lots of ways.  marmar   Jul-04-09 04:00 PM   #135 
  - do you pay taxes and support your government? If so, they should provide healthcare and support you  NightWatcher   Jul-04-09 01:43 PM   #4 
  - So I should use any and all government services just because I pay for them?  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 01:45 PM   #5 
     - What Is Your Objection, Sir?  The Magistrate   Jul-04-09 01:49 PM   #9 
     - I do not mind paying my share for the benefit of the country, but not for my benefit.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 04:43 PM   #158 
        - You Sound, Sir, Like a Snake Rolling Down The Road With Its Tail In Its Mouth Looks....  The Magistrate   Jul-04-09 04:52 PM   #160 
           - Of myself personally. Myself benefiting personally from my taxes does nothing for the country  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 04:59 PM   #161 
              - Nonesense, Sir: the Well-Being of The Citizen is The Well-Being Of The Country  The Magistrate   Jul-04-09 05:01 PM   #162 
              - And I don't mind paying for the well being of my fellow citizens but not for my own benefit.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 05:04 PM   #163 
                 - Then You will Not Call the Fire Department If Your House Is On Fire, Sir?  The Magistrate   Jul-04-09 05:10 PM   #165 
                    - no distaste for socialized medicine. I said I can't bring myself to consider it a right  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 05:36 PM   #169 
                       - If You Expect Points For Expressing Consistency, Sir, You Will Not Get Them....  The Magistrate   Jul-04-09 05:39 PM   #171 
                          - Please stop with the "sir" crap. I do not expect "points," I told you I do not expect of others.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 05:40 PM   #172 
                             - You Seem To Expect Me To Do What you tell Me To, Sir, However....  The Magistrate   Jul-04-09 05:44 PM   #176 
                                - I asked, I said please. I guess it was just too much to ask.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 05:45 PM   #177 
                                   - "Please stop with the "Sir" crap"  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 05:52 PM   #183 
              - It enhances the general welfare  Enthusiast   Jul-04-09 05:45 PM   #178 
                 - Me personally being healthy does nothing for the nation.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 05:46 PM   #180 
                    - the concept of general welfare seems to escape you nt.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 05:52 PM   #184 
                       - Did you see where I said "me, personally"? My being healthy or dead or sick does nothing to the  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 05:54 PM   #185 
                          - the concept of the general welfare escapes you nt.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 05:55 PM   #188 
                             - And the concept of personal welfare means what to you? I almost wish I had the guts to blow my head  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 05:57 PM   #190 
                                - ok now you are into suicidal ideation  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 06:20 PM   #197 
                                   - You just don't seem to grasp that if I am sick or healthy doesn't have an effect on the country  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:21 PM   #198 
                                      - now you are back to not understanding the concept of 'general welfare'.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 06:35 PM   #203 
                                         - If you read the original post I said I am for some form of h/c reform. I then went into my feelings  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:44 PM   #205 
                                            - I am starting to entertain  Enthusiast   Jul-04-09 07:05 PM   #225 
                                               - I assure you I need no such thing. But feel free to continue your insults.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 07:09 PM   #231 
     - I'm sure you'll find a doc who is more than willing to accept payment if you insist.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jul-04-09 01:49 PM   #10 
     - You should use the services you are entitled to.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 01:51 PM   #12 
     - No, you should use only the ones you need.  surrealAmerican   Jul-04-09 03:21 PM   #99 
  - "Right" or not, it makes financial sense.  MercutioATC   Jul-04-09 01:47 PM   #6 
  - It's what your fellow citizens do for you,  Iterate   Jul-04-09 01:48 PM   #7 
  - I do. With a gun to the head if necessary  sandnsea   Jul-04-09 01:48 PM   #8 
  - A common-sense reply that deserves applause!  varelse   Jul-04-09 02:04 PM   #24 
  - Yes. And they're even in the Dems. and at DU. n/t  lindisfarne   Jul-04-09 02:05 PM   #26 
  - Woot!  chatnoir   Jul-04-09 02:22 PM   #48 
  - wrong place...  armyowalgreens   Jul-04-09 04:42 PM   #157 
  - Right on.  Quantess   Jul-05-09 03:08 PM   #247 
  - "rights" are largely human constructs anyway...  Oregone   Jul-04-09 01:50 PM   #11 
  - Good post, Oregone. nt  Enthusiast   Jul-04-09 05:49 PM   #181 
  - Yeah, but past the philosophical constructs and truth tables and third year rhetoric classes...  warren pease   Jul-05-09 10:13 AM   #241 
  - lol, force.  billyoc   Jul-04-09 01:52 PM   #13 
  - I think they are happy to treat people and get paid  Oregone   Jul-04-09 01:53 PM   #14 
     - Or health insurance exec.  billyoc   Jul-04-09 01:56 PM   #18 
  - Just because I don't want my house to burn down  Hello_Kitty   Jul-04-09 01:55 PM   #16 
  - Then in the end, don't break your leg or get sick. That way you won't "force"  neverforget   Jul-04-09 01:55 PM   #17 
  - That solves everything, except doctors would go broke  Oregone   Jul-04-09 01:59 PM   #20 
  - I try not to, my healthcare dollars are in my HSA earning money, I'd rather not give any of it to a  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 01:59 PM   #21 
     - Then ration yourself and save up  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:05 PM   #25 
     - It's $125 a month for the High Ded policy, I might be close, pay annually and get a discount.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:07 PM   #29 
        - So you pay more AND have a deductible? What about copays?  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:12 PM   #36 
           - Good for you.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:16 PM   #40 
              - Yes, good for me, and it could be the same for you if anyone was willing to stick their neck out.  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:18 PM   #44 
                 - No people would it seems be putting guns to doctor's heads  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 03:06 PM   #86 
     - Yes, until someone clandestinely takes your HSA away...  Deja Q   Jul-04-09 04:07 PM   #137 
  - I think others should pay for my health care  stray cat   Jul-04-09 01:58 PM   #19 
  - Someone pays, but everyone pays significanly less, on average  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:00 PM   #22 
  - What about education?  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 02:03 PM   #23 
  - Ding! I guess they missed the whole idea of the social contract  NightWatcher   Jul-04-09 02:06 PM   #27 
  - Public fire departments exist because insurance companies want them to exist.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:11 PM   #34 
  - And schools exist because corporations want skilled workers  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:16 PM   # 
  - Wrong. Fire departments existed long before insurance ever did.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 02:23 PM   #50 
  - The ancient Romans had a fire department...  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 02:35 PM   #64 
     - And lemme guess, you also got paid and you could of quit at anytime?  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:43 PM   #68 
     - Yes. I was paid...  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:01 PM   #83 
     - Actually, Sir, the First Roman 'Fire Brigade' Was A Real Estate Venture of Sorts  The Magistrate   Jul-04-09 05:21 PM   #168 
        - I think that is right...  freddie mertz   Jul-05-09 02:07 AM   #237 
  - Well no - insurance companies might benefit  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 02:25 PM   #54 
  - EXCELLENT POST  leftstreet   Jul-04-09 03:01 PM   #82 
  - You think he knows how to read?  Deja Q   Jul-04-09 04:07 PM   #138 
  - "Been reading Ayn Rand, have you?"  Enthusiast   Jul-04-09 05:54 PM   #186 
     - Sorry thought that was to me.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:50 PM   #210 
  - Then carry around a document, notarized, etc., saying you want absolutely no care in any situation.  lindisfarne   Jul-04-09 02:07 PM   #28 
  - It's not about purchasing health services or not, it's about viewing it as a right.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:09 PM   #31 
     - You have the right to refuse health care then. Carry around a notarized document and inform your  lindisfarne   Jul-04-09 02:11 PM   #33 
     - No one needs any such thing, providing health care to someone who has not consented to is  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:12 PM   #37 
        - You're clearly in the minority in your opinion. I'd advise you to carry a document refusing care.n/t  lindisfarne   Jul-04-09 02:16 PM   #41 
        - I know, no one would want to decide for themselves from whom and when they purchase something.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:17 PM   #43 
        - Or a cyanide capsule if they are ever "kidnapped" and taken to an evil doctor that wants to help  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:21 PM   #46 
        - what if you're found unconcious or in a coma somewhere...?  dysfunctional press   Jul-04-09 02:31 PM   #59 
           - All I've said is I can't bring myself to view it as a right. Saying that I have a right to force  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:34 PM   #62 
              - you have a right to healthcare, and dr.s have a right to be paid for their services.  dysfunctional press   Jul-04-09 02:41 PM   #66 
              - You would not be 'forcing' anyone to do anything  chatnoir   Jul-04-09 02:42 PM   #67 
              - He heard it from some noise on tv so it must be so.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 03:21 PM   #100 
              - It's kinda what a society does.  Enthusiast   Jul-04-09 06:46 PM   #207 
     - What is a "right"?  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 02:14 PM   #38 
     - entitlement  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 02:22 PM   #47 
  - Well, if you don't get that leg fixed, you're not going to be able to  Merlot   Jul-04-09 02:08 PM   #30 
  - Healthcare and driving may not be "rights" in the traditional sense, but for practical purposes...  OmahaBlueDog   Jul-04-09 02:12 PM   #35 
  - Life. liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.  Greyhound   Jul-04-09 02:15 PM   #39 
  - Wish I could rec your post a 1,000 times.  chatnoir   Jul-04-09 02:25 PM   #53 
  - If we lived in the Goddam jungle. And a child was sick  wurzel   Jul-04-09 02:16 PM   #42 
  - Its likely the village elders would first discuss how many coconuts to pay the shaman, and the...  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:24 PM   #52 
     - You mean the GOP never left the jungle?  wurzel   Jul-04-09 02:47 PM   #72 
  - Don't let your leg to rott  AlphaCentauri   Jul-04-09 02:21 PM   #45 
  - I like the choice to keep my money if I wish. I know others know better, any doctor will tell  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:24 PM   #51 
     - Yes, but with anything publically funded, like war, you are shit out of luck  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:27 PM   #55 
        - I'm fine with funding it, it's necessary. I'd just like the option to fund it and chose my own  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:28 PM   #56 
           - Europeans and canadians do it that way  AlphaCentauri   Jul-04-09 02:29 PM   #58 
           - I think they mean their own choice of insurance or some crap  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:35 PM   #63 
              - Canadians got it right the first time we don't need to re invent the wheel  AlphaCentauri   Jul-04-09 03:04 PM   # 
           - Choose your own?  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:34 PM   #61 
           - 'chose your own' what?  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 02:52 PM   #75 
  - I think where the "right" idea came from is, if you would have been born in  napi21   Jul-04-09 02:22 PM   #49 
  - Its funny you mention that...  Oregone   Jul-04-09 02:31 PM   #60 
  - it's not "forcing a dr. to provide services"- it's recieving medical treatment for an injury.  dysfunctional press   Jul-04-09 02:29 PM   #57 
  - that's what my post would have been also... thanks.  nightrain   Jul-04-09 03:24 PM   #102 
  - Try thinking of it as a minimum quality of life.  Waiting For Everyman   Jul-04-09 02:37 PM   #65 
  - Very good point. n/t  cutlassmama   Jul-04-09 02:52 PM   #76 
  - You post makes neocons happy.  Jakes Progress   Jul-04-09 02:44 PM   #69 
  - I just do not feel I have a right to the work of others. I also don't expect of others.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:50 PM   #73 
     - I get it. You thought this was Libertarian Underground.  Jakes Progress   Jul-04-09 02:53 PM   #77 
     - No I didn't. Who's work do you think you have a right to? You think your tax dollars are paid for  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 02:56 PM   #78 
        - You and Ayn have one idea.  Jakes Progress   Jul-04-09 04:36 PM   #155 
     - You don't have a right to the work of others.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 03:00 PM   #80 
     - Look at a different right that has been guaranteed in the US.  napi21   Jul-04-09 03:13 PM   #91 
  - do you interpret "a right to healthcare" to mean that if you break your leg...  dysfunctional press   Jul-04-09 02:45 PM   #70 
  - Maybe I do.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:04 PM   #85 
     - It sounds to me, more and more, that you're posting on the wrong website.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 03:16 PM   #95 
     - I am all for paying my share for everyone to have healthcare.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:22 PM   #101 
        - How about the shoe-seller guy?  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:24 PM   # 
        - Not if I can keep from having to give him my money for his shoes.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:25 PM   #104 
           - So it would be OK to steal his shoes from him?  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 03:31 PM   #106 
           - By my not giving him money for them I meant me not buying them from him  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:34 PM   #109 
              - So you only go the "free" shoe stores then?  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:39 PM   #112 
                 - No, I try to buy shoes as infrequently as I can  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:43 PM   #116 
                    - What do you do with all the money you keep for yourself  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 03:49 PM   #127 
                    - Maybe if you bought a decent pair of shoes...  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:52 PM   #129 
                       - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-04-09 03:59 PM   #134 
                          - Yes but who is going to pay the tillerman?  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 04:12 PM   #143 
           - I think here is a name for that sort of transaction...  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:38 PM   #111 
              - No, it's called not buying something  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:43 PM   #117 
                 - Do you wear shoes?  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:45 PM   #119 
                    - So what, you buy new shoes every day just because you feel people should  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:47 PM   #123 
                       - Thanks for respecting my request for a non-answer.  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:49 PM   #126 
                       - I buy shoes when I need and/or want them, and I buy shoes I can afford.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 03:54 PM   #131 
        - Money wouldn't be allocated for you.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 03:27 PM   #105 
           - If I went to the doctor, the government would allocate it when they paid the bill  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:33 PM   #107 
              - Um.. right.  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:41 PM   #114 
              - I tried to make some sense out of this jumble.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 04:08 PM   #139 
                 - don't try to make sense out of anything he posts.  dysfunctional press   Jul-04-09 05:20 PM   #167 
     - that's your prerogative...you also have a right to REFUSE healthcare.  dysfunctional press   Jul-04-09 05:15 PM   #166 
  - Put it this way: nevermind You. Should children have a right to necessary healthcare?  snot   Jul-04-09 02:46 PM   #71 
  - I think the doctor should be paid too so this is what universal health  Cleita   Jul-04-09 02:51 PM   #74 
  - thats probably because you can afford healthcare. it makes you selfish about rights  La Lioness Priyanka   Jul-04-09 02:58 PM   #79 
  - Well lucky you... You're living in the right country, then... n/t  warren pease   Jul-04-09 03:02 PM   #84 
  - So what do you do? Go to a shoe salesman?  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:07 PM   #87 
  - And do you love giving money to those people? Either yours or the government's?  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:08 PM   #88 
     - To the EMT crew? Actually yes I love giving them money,  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 03:11 PM   #89 
     - Do you ever drive yourself to the doctor? If so you are missing a perfect chace to give them more  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:12 PM   #90 
        - With a broken leg?  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:14 PM   #93 
        - No I always call for an ambulance  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 03:15 PM   #94 
           - Those freeloading EMTs have nothing better to do anyway.  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:21 PM   #98 
     - I think people deserve to make a living.  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:13 PM   #92 
        - Of course they do, but I try to give little of my money to others for things as I can  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:40 PM   #113 
           - And you are so convincingly making that argument.  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:42 PM   #115 
  - Fortunately for folks in other countries- they don't think this way  depakid   Jul-04-09 03:19 PM   #96 
  - On a cross country motor trip you notice it's time to refuel,...  asteroid2003QQ47   Jul-04-09 03:19 PM   #97 
  - I'd rather another station, I do not care for people waiting for me.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:24 PM   # 
     - So you'd be OK with having $40 taken from you without receiving what you paid for  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 03:34 PM   #108 
        - I'd be happy finding someplace where people don't wait on me. If I couldn't then I would  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:36 PM   #110 
           - So you are OK with SOME people who "put out"?  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:44 PM   #118 
           - No, I do not care for people serving me at all. I know it's a fact of life  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 03:45 PM   #120 
              - You prefer to do the "serving" then?  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:46 PM   #121 
           - You just sound like some grouchy old person who doesn't want anyone else to have their precious cash  Oregone   Jul-04-09 03:46 PM   #122 
              - Actually I am convinced the whole thing is a joke.  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:48 PM   #124 
                 - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-04-09 03:49 PM   #128 
                    - I'm flattering you, my friend.  freddie mertz   Jul-04-09 03:53 PM   #130 
  - Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  Vinca   Jul-04-09 03:24 PM   #103 
  - This has to be the dumbest OP I've ever read.  Stellabella   Jul-04-09 03:56 PM   #132 
  - The OP is pretty far to the right, for a 'Democrat'.  Ikonoklast   Jul-04-09 03:58 PM   #133 
     - I've tried alluding to that in my responses; he really should set up a country of his own making...  Deja Q   Jul-04-09 04:09 PM   #140 
        - Q, I see his postings as lunatic performance art.  Ikonoklast   Jul-04-09 04:18 PM   #145 
           - It's what happens when libertarians go nuts on 'shrooms and blotter acid.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 04:22 PM   #147 
              - Ever notice that the older guys that are on the straight and narrow  Ikonoklast   Jul-04-09 04:29 PM   #151 
                 - I am one of those "older guys."  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 04:31 PM   #153 
                    - I, too, am one of 'those guys'.  Ikonoklast   Jul-04-09 04:38 PM   #156 
  - Good. So break your leg and pray you have a job or a person that can pay for it.  Deja Q   Jul-04-09 04:05 PM   #136 
  - I'm not saying anyone else is wrong for thinking of it as a right, I just can't make myself  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 04:10 PM   #141 
     - OK. Let's explain again, reeeeallll slowly so you can get it.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 04:20 PM   #146 
        - I do not believe I have a right to pay someone for their work and force them to provide for me.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 04:24 PM   #148 
           - I give up.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 04:28 PM   #149 
              - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-04-09 04:28 PM   #150 
                 - Damn straight. Smartass and proud.  The Velveteen Ocelot   Jul-04-09 04:30 PM   #152 
                    - Behavior not usually found outside of childhood. But OK.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 04:32 PM   #154 
  - Stupid thread.  Doremus   Jul-04-09 04:11 PM   #142 
  - or loathing of those who cant afford what s/he can afford. loathing poor people  La Lioness Priyanka   Jul-04-09 04:17 PM   #144 
     - 'scuse me?  Doremus   Jul-04-09 05:38 PM   #170 
        - re-read what i said. i offered an alternative explaination as to why the op would write this  La Lioness Priyanka   Jul-04-09 06:33 PM   #202 
           - Where I said I can't bring myself to consider it a right is in regards to myself, not anyone else.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:48 PM   #208 
           - Oh, okay, so you just need a shrink, not an epiphany.  Doremus   Jul-04-09 06:51 PM   #211 
           - I do not need a "shrink" I just do not expect of others. I do not expect a doctor to provide for me  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:55 PM   #216 
              - Get off on playing the martyr.  Doremus   Jul-05-09 12:57 AM   #236 
           - do you currently have healthcare privately or through your job?  La Lioness Priyanka   Jul-04-09 06:59 PM   #219 
              - Private, but I do not use it, it's for keeping me alive in a horrible event. I do not want doctors  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 07:01 PM   #221 
                 - so you're not suffering from chronic health issues, no constant pain etc  La Lioness Priyanka   Jul-04-09 07:08 PM   #230 
                    - Yes I have chronic pain but I'm not spending money just to feel better.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 07:11 PM   #233 
           - Ahhh. Thanks. That make sense.  Doremus   Jul-04-09 06:48 PM   #209 
  - Humans have a right to be free from suffering...  armyowalgreens   Jul-04-09 04:47 PM   #159 
  - It's the RB TexLa show!...  SidDithers   Jul-04-09 05:06 PM   #164 
  - What If You Were Having A Heart Attack?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 05:40 PM   #173 
  - The doctor is a free human being and can refuse service to anyone.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 05:41 PM   #174 
     - oh generally not if you are having a heart attack or other medical emergency  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 05:49 PM   #182 
     - I Would Think That Would Be Involuntary Manslaughter Or "Depraved Indifference" Which Is The Same  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 06:00 PM   #192 
     - What If AWoman's Water Has Broke And The Baby Is About To Choke On The Mother's Placenta?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 05:56 PM   #189 
  - What  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 05:44 PM   #175 
  - Oh in that case it is ok to shoot the doctor and take his shoes  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 05:54 PM   #187 
     - As A General Principle You Don't Have The Right To Compel Someone Else's Labor  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 06:03 PM   #193 
  - Yep, I don't know why he's still here either.  HughBeaumont   Jul-04-09 05:45 PM   #179 
  - It's not just about rights...  Dappleganger   Jul-04-09 05:58 PM   #191 
  - Sweetheart, your leg is broken and a doctor refuses to treat you.. he has broken his own oath  Peacetrain   Jul-04-09 06:04 PM   #194 
  - Doctors are like everyone else in business, they can refuse service  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:05 PM   #195 
     - Well you are dead wrong.. A broken leg untreated can be a life threatening  Peacetrain   Jul-04-09 06:15 PM   #196 
     - EMTALA - the law since 1986.  Warren Stupidity   Jul-04-09 06:29 PM   #200 
        - I Think The OP Would Favor Rescinding That Law  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 06:30 PM   #201 
           - No, if the patient wanted the treatment.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:45 PM   #206 
              - Elaborate Please  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 06:53 PM   #214 
                 - Elaboration: I do not want that law repealed.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:56 PM   #217 
                    - You Aren't Being Intellectually Consistent  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 07:03 PM   #222 
                       - I didn't say I would force them to do so. The part about not being able to consider it a right  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 07:04 PM   #224 
                          - We Don't Define What Rights We Have  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 07:08 PM   #229 
     - What If There Was A Uninsured Child Who Was Hit By A Car And Needed Emergency Treatment And His  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 06:28 PM   #199 
  - Don't some hospital's dump homeless patients on the street?  heppcatt   Jul-04-09 06:36 PM   #204 
  - It is still being done. nt  Enthusiast   Jul-04-09 06:58 PM   #218 
  - This is a teaching moment.  Enthusiast   Jul-04-09 06:51 PM   #212 
  - I said I couldn't think of it as a right, that is a right for me. Nothing to do with anyone else.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 06:54 PM   #215 
     - How About The FDA? Social Security? Medicare?  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 06:59 PM   #220 
        - OK, then those things infringe on some rights you have. Good for you  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 07:03 PM   #223 
           - So It's A Matter Of Drawing Lines  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 07:05 PM   #226 
              - I have said several times in this thread that I do not mind paying my share for that.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 07:07 PM   #227 
                 - There Has To Be A Balance Between Personal Freedom And Collective Responsibility  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-04-09 07:22 PM   #234 
  - I've read the whole thread, and I'm very confused.  crispini   Jul-04-09 07:07 PM   #228 
  - It's actually as simple as the first post, I just find it hard to consider it a right for myself.  RB TexLa   Jul-04-09 07:10 PM   #232 
  - Ok, peace out!  crispini   Jul-04-09 07:30 PM   #235 
  - Thirty years ago I might have agreed with you. Docs could  janx   Jul-05-09 02:21 PM   #244 
  - I Wish He Would Define What Rights He Has Or Wants That He Doesn't Have  DemocratSinceBirth   Jul-05-09 05:24 AM   #239 
  - Just because your house catches fire doesn't mean the fire department has to put it out  eridani   Jul-05-09 04:16 AM   #238 
  - There is a chance you may feel differently if your leg was actually broken.  ZombieHorde   Jul-05-09 05:36 AM   #240 
  - Just because my house is on fire I don't feel I have the right to force  Jackpine Radical   Jul-05-09 10:21 AM   #242 
  - Thanks for a brilliant summing up of this absurd "argument"  freddie mertz   Jul-05-09 02:15 PM   #243 
  - Fine. We'll create a national health care service that will treat everyone but you.  kenny blankenship   Jul-05-09 02:26 PM   #245 
  - I'm with you, actually.  Zavulon   Jul-05-09 02:48 PM   #246 
 

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