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Liberation Angel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-04-09 08:04 AM
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17. There are better ways than nukes OR fossil fuels
In fact nuclear is far WORSE than fossil fuels because the poison from them mutates our genes and stays in the environment forever.

I agree that most use of fossil fuels needs to be made obsolete.

But nukes are the worst alternative.
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  -TELL PRESIDENT OBAMA: NO NUKES IN SENATE CLIMATE BILL! Liberation Angel  Jul-04-09 06:58 AM   #0 
  - k&r nt  bananas   Jul-04-09 07:00 AM   #1 
  - Nah, I support nuclear power.  Teaser   Jul-04-09 07:02 AM   #2 
  - I invite you to do a little research  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 07:14 AM   #4 
  - I support what Nuclear Power COULD be, not what it is  Taverner   Jul-04-09 12:21 PM   #60 
  - Two questions then,  MadHound   Jul-04-09 07:24 AM   #5 
  - here is what you do  sabbat hunter   Jul-04-09 07:28 AM   #8 
  - The vast majority of waste you cannot reprocess  MadHound   Jul-04-09 07:38 AM   #12 
     - if you have a spill  sabbat hunter   Jul-04-09 10:13 AM   #34 
  - Guess we shouldn't fly or drive until those are free from human error either?  Statistical   Jul-04-09 09:50 AM   #24 
     - I beg to differ  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 09:57 AM   #28 
        - Yeah yeah yeah. Saw right through it.  Statistical   Jul-04-09 10:09 AM   #31 
           - How can you see through a conclusion that INCLUDES commercial nukes  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:34 AM   #41 
  - I do too. We need to get away from fossil fuels. n/t  greguganus   Jul-04-09 07:39 AM   #13 
  - There are better ways than nukes OR fossil fuels  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 08:04 AM   #17 
     - Yes, neither nukes, coal, or oil are necessary for energy these days.  ananda   Jul-04-09 09:25 AM   #20 
        - I designed and built a passive solar house  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 09:51 AM   #25 
        - How will your povide for baseline energy.  Statistical   Jul-04-09 09:54 AM   #26 
           - I think that reducing demand is a critical element BUT...  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:10 AM   #32 
              - Reduction - Check. Decentralized - Check but still need baseline.  Statistical   Jul-04-09 10:17 AM   #37 
                 - biofuels, natural gas, oil,  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:37 AM   #42 
                    - Lived next to one for 2 decades  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 11:31 AM   #57 
                       - It usually takes a few decades before cancer appears  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 12:25 PM   #61 
                          - Lots of cancer where there is no nuke power as well..  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 12:28 PM   #62 
                             - Radiation is cumulative,. Xrays add to the damage of nuke emissions  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 12:38 PM   #66 
                                - Radon also emits radiation  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 12:46 PM   #69 
                                   - works great for you even if it is slowly killing you and your neighbors?  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 10:21 AM   #83 
                                      - Over a long enough timeline you probability of death  Pavulon   Jul-05-09 11:50 AM   #92 
  - I support it too. There is no reason not to. Want to get rid of coal? That's the way to do it..  nonsequitur   Jul-04-09 01:32 PM   #71 
  - Thanks,  madokie   Jul-04-09 07:10 AM   #3 
  - I disagree  sabbat hunter   Jul-04-09 07:26 AM   #6 
  - I lived next to two plants  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 07:32 AM   #9 
     - If you kids got sick from radiation (very unlikely)....  Statistical   Jul-04-09 09:56 AM   #27 
     - Tell that to my doctor  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:15 AM   #35 
        - Of course radiation exposure damages the thyroid.  Statistical   Jul-04-09 10:47 AM   #47 
           - It is my faith in science that makes me oppose nukes  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 12:19 PM   #59 
     - Your kids were diagnosed with radiation poisoning?...  SidDithers   Jul-04-09 10:57 AM   #50 
     - In fact we met with attorneys, they said nuke corps are too powerful to fight  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 10:18 AM   #82 
     - You're so full of shit. nt  Codeine   Jul-04-09 02:17 PM   #74 
        - Full of exposure to shit  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 10:23 AM   #84 
        - +1...nt  SidDithers   Jul-05-09 10:41 AM   #88 
  - European Study on Nuclear Power and Cancer deaths  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 07:26 AM   #7 
  - Chernobyl  sabbat hunter   Jul-04-09 07:32 AM   #10 
     - Chernobyl is a perfect example of why the comparison is apt  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 07:37 AM   #11 
        - There is no point continuing the debat is you think Chernobyl = Western Reactors  Statistical   Jul-04-09 10:07 AM   #29 
           - The fact is that any plant can melt down due to human error  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:20 AM   #38 
              - In russian design there are 3 critical differences  Statistical   Jul-04-09 10:38 AM   #43 
                 - The study INCLUDES U.S. nukes, not just Chernobyl  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:56 AM   #49 
                    - The study includes us nukes but also includes all exposures to include  Statistical   Jul-04-09 12:30 PM   #64 
                       - Again, you demean the scientific credentials of the study's authors  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 10:32 AM   #85 
                          - Radiation is a natural thing, sunlight is radiation.  Pavulon   Jul-05-09 12:58 PM   #94 
  - Done. NT  Eric J in MN   Jul-04-09 07:47 AM   #14 
  - thanks nt  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 08:00 AM   #15 
  - K&R  pleah   Jul-04-09 08:03 AM   #16 
  - Thanks Pleah, that makes 5!  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 08:07 AM   #18 
     - You are very welcome.  pleah   Jul-04-09 08:15 AM   #19 
  - Kick  G_j   Jul-04-09 09:30 AM   #21 
  - If he can find a way to dispose of the waste, I'd become a big nuke fan.  Buzz Clik   Jul-04-09 09:31 AM   #22 
  - read the reports of the european study above  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 09:46 AM   #23 
  - Have you read the full report? Have you read the home page for ECRR?  Buzz Clik   Jul-04-09 10:13 AM   #33 
     - I have read the results as well as the full report  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:29 AM   #40 
        - I'm not willing to shell out the money to read the report. It would be great if you posted it.  Buzz Clik   Jul-04-09 10:39 AM   #44 
           - I only have a link for the conclusions  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:44 AM   #45 
  - How are we going to warn humans 1/4 of a million years to stay away  goodinuf   Jul-04-09 11:04 PM   #81 
  - no more nuke plants and their 'forever' waste  ensho   Jul-04-09 10:09 AM   #30 
  - Deleted message  Name removed   Jul-04-09 10:15 AM   #36 
  - No other way to produce enough power?  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 10:26 AM   #39 
     - Bicycle power.  Statistical   Jul-04-09 10:49 AM   #48 
     - every little bit helps. ditch the car completely  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 11:03 AM   #51 
        - Simple may be better for you,  Codeine   Jul-04-09 02:20 PM   #75 
     - None of that melts aluminum or powers industry..  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 11:26 AM   #55 
     - it depends  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 12:42 PM   #68 
     - The sun provides around 200 watts per square meter.  nekkid   Jul-04-09 04:45 PM   #79 
     - "There are millions of ways to produce power."  cherokeeprogressive   Jul-05-09 11:53 AM   #93 
  - No thanks,...  SidDithers   Jul-04-09 10:45 AM   #46 
  - you just don't know enough yet  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 11:06 AM   #52 
     - They are ok.  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 11:28 AM   #56 
  - I support nuclear power generation...  Jack_DeLeon   Jul-04-09 11:08 AM   #53 
  - Just pray really hard to get multimegawatt power. We can just miracle it.  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 11:23 AM   #54 
  - Killing Nuclear Power was one of the dumbest things we did.  miyazaki   Jul-04-09 11:39 AM   #58 
  - Yeah, right - and nuclear bombs were the smartest  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 12:29 PM   #63 
     - If you look at the rate of human death from war since 1945  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 12:33 PM   #65 
        - But weapons testing caused huge numbers of casualties  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 12:40 PM   #67 
           - Incorrect  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 12:50 PM   #70 
              - Fallout includes effluents and emissions from nuke plants - so it is correct  Liberation Angel   Jul-04-09 02:11 PM   #72 
                 - So the partial test ban treaty doesn't exist?  Statistical   Jul-04-09 02:47 PM   #77 
                 - China, Pakistan, N. Korea all did nuke tests  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 10:45 AM   #89 
                    - China has not recently tested a weapon. 1995 was the last one.  Pavulon   Jul-05-09 01:02 PM   #95 
                 - Anything more than the background..  Pavulon   Jul-04-09 02:49 PM   #78 
                    - Fallout means particulate matter (radiation) falling from the sky  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 10:49 AM   #90 
                       - On which there has ONLY been one.  Statistical   Jul-05-09 11:14 AM   #91 
  - Happy to write this from a computer powered by nuclear energy.  tritsofme   Jul-04-09 02:12 PM   #73 
  - Ha!  Codeine   Jul-04-09 02:22 PM   #76 
  - Nuclear power needs corporate welfare  goodinuf   Jul-04-09 10:40 PM   #80 
  - Home based coal burning in a Franklin stove?  comrade snarky   Jul-05-09 03:22 PM   #102 
  - www.radiation.org and www.nirs.org for info and studies  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 10:35 AM   #86 
  - Read the European Study on Nuke danger here  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 10:37 AM   #87 
  - Green party front..  Pavulon   Jul-05-09 01:11 PM   #96 
     - Funny how your link does not say that...  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 02:13 PM   #97 
     - Europe greens are anti nuke, like BNP is anti immigrant. Fringe (nt)  Pavulon   Jul-05-09 02:43 PM   #100 
     - Harvey Wasserman on TMI  Liberation Angel   Jul-05-09 02:27 PM   #98 
        - I prefer the Pittsburgh study  Pavulon   Jul-05-09 02:42 PM   #99 
  - The French seem to have mastered nuclear power, since 80% of their country is powered by such.  4lbs   Jul-05-09 02:52 PM   #101 
 

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