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Polywell Proton Boron fusion reactor approved
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Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 04:38 PM by FogerRox
Yeah I know Fusion is 50 years away, right? And Fusion makes lots of radioactive waste anyway, right? Stellarators, Focus, Pinch, ZEE. Whatever.

Not anymore.





The great big international effort at donut shaped fusion in France:ITER, is slated to use Deuterium and Tritium fuel, creating insane numbers of neutrons, radioactivity.

There are many different types of fusion fuel.

Helium, Lithium, Deuterium, & Boron 11 can be used, resulting in different levels of power and radioactivity. Some fuels like Helium (He) or Proton Boron 11 (PB-11), create exponentially less radioactivity (100k-1mill) than a typical Fission nuke plant. Pre solicitions have gone out to EMC2Fusion in Santa Fe to build 2 more Polywell fusion reactors including one to use PB-11 fuel. Right, the Proton Boron-11 reaction, unheard of you say? Thats pretty much true, I think PB-11 fusion has only been done once in a lab back in the 1950's, so its quite rare.


In Santa Fe the EMC2Fusion team is working on Polywell fusion research, led by Dr Rick Nebel, they hope to lead the way to practical everyday fusion that becomes the main source for electricity on our little planet.

Dr Nebel says 2 yrs boom or bust, then he will know if Polywell works and will be ready to build a net power reactor, one that uses Pb-11, thats right, Dr Nebel is talking about a PB-11 Net Power reactor by 2015. I suspect that by around 2015 we will know if coal plants and fission nukes are obsolete. Yes this is Dr. Bussards Polywell, if only the Doc could be here, (He passed about a year ago)

Dr Bussards development of the Polywell started in the 1980's with DARPA funding, and then more recently under Navy funding. The Navy wants Polywell as a replacement for shipboard fission nukes, 100,000 to a million times less radioactive, and at as little as 30 ft across for an entire plant (1000-1200MW) using the PB-11 reaction. And in some circles, folks relish the idea of a compact 1200MW to power some laser or something, but thats a whole nother diary or 2 or 3.

Time line Refresher:

1. 2005 Bussard shorts out WB-6

2. Bussard made his Google Tech Talk video.

3. .Got a contract for WB-7

4. Dr Bussard Passes.

5. Nebel joins team, finishes WB-7.

6. WB-7 Peer review.

7. Contracts for WB-7.1 are let.

8.2009 Contracts for WB-8, WB.1 and then WB-9, WB-9.1 pdf.

From the Nebel interview over at Next Big Future.

Question: When is the earliest that an actual fusion plant based on your concept could be built?
Answer: The project that we hope to have out within the next six years will probably be a demo, which won't have the attendant secondary equipment necessary for electricity generation. Hopefully the demo will demonstrate everything that is needed to put a full-scale working plant into commercial production. So if the concept works we could have a commercial plant operating as early as 2020.

Question: What do you estimate a kilowatt hour from your fusion reactor to cost?
Answer: We are looking at 2-5 cents per kilowatt hour. That should make electricity generation less expensive than any alternative, including coal and nuclear. So if this technology works it will be like a silver bullet, and be fundamentally superior to any competing technology. The issue is whether it works or not.



Can you say: "Liquid fuels will be quaint by 2050"?

Part 2 can be found here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
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  -Polywell Proton Boron fusion reactor approved FogerRox  Jun-29-09 04:09 PM   #0 
  - A little graphic eye candy  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 04:29 PM   #1 
  - 2 votes, thanks, can I get some peak oil love here?  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 04:33 PM   #2 
  - A 3rd vote, thanks, but I like comments too... please?  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 04:48 PM   #3 
  - I was told there would be no math. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-29-09 04:55 PM   #4 
  - No math, just shiney pretty lights  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 05:11 PM   #6 
  - ...  ColbertWatcher   Jun-29-09 05:27 PM   #13 
     - OMG, thats great  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 06:32 PM   #22 
        - THere has to be an LOLcat variation of Rule 34. n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-29-09 06:34 PM   #23 
           - Only reference I found was  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 08:52 PM   #31 
              - Excellent! n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-29-09 10:17 PM   #34 
  - lol! K * R nt  glitch   Jun-30-09 11:50 AM   #40 
  - Kick Da Fusion Power Out Of It!  DaLittle Kitty   Jun-29-09 10:54 PM   #35 
  - Cool if it works, but sorta scary too...  hunter   Jun-29-09 05:11 PM   #5 
  - Fusion gets us off the planet, factories off the planet. It gives us the solar system.  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 05:15 PM   #8 
  - Does the trashing ever end?  GeorgeGist   Jun-30-09 03:22 PM   #43 
     - When you got essentially free energy recycling can begin.  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 10:43 PM   #58 
  - No it makes recycling free.  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 08:36 PM   #46 
  - I wish, I wish, I wish  Ezlivin   Jun-29-09 05:14 PM   #7 
  - These new contracts are to address scaling, we'll know n 2 yrs.  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 05:16 PM   #9 
  - Hell, I'll be walking by then  Ezlivin   Jun-29-09 05:21 PM   #12 
  - I'm hoping along with you...........  CrownPrinceBandar   Jun-29-09 05:33 PM   #16 
  - This looks promising.  Uncle Joe   Jun-29-09 05:17 PM   #10 
  - K&R nt  PurgedVoter   Jun-29-09 05:19 PM   #11 
  - I'm going to change my band name to Donut Shaped Fusion  rucky   Jun-29-09 05:29 PM   #14 
  - Oh was I ridiculing the ITER? LOL, such a sugary kind of fusion  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 06:14 PM   #19 
  - Pb-11? Lead?  Canuckistanian   Jun-29-09 05:30 PM   #15 
  - Boron 11 and a proton.  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 06:08 PM   #18 
  - K&R  Soylent Brice   Jun-29-09 06:00 PM   #17 
  - I look forward to this development  GliderGuider   Jun-29-09 06:19 PM   #20 
  - Never left the planet have you, dont know anyone who has  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 06:27 PM   #21 
  - Never imagined yourself as a jaguar have you?  GliderGuider   Jun-29-09 08:31 PM   #27 
     - Meh, all life on Earth is destined to go extinct.  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 08:43 PM   #48 
        - Is that supposed to justify our continued expunging of other species?  GliderGuider   Jun-30-09 09:28 PM   #52 
        - They would do it to us if they could.  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 10:46 PM   #59 
        - Every 65 million years or so we have a mass extinction. They say we are  alfredo   Jun-30-09 09:50 PM   #53 
        - We have been in a mass extinction event for quite some time now..  Fumesucker   Jun-30-09 10:15 PM   #55 
           - Holocene is incomparable to T-J or K-T extinction events.  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 10:55 PM   #62 
              - Eh, it's not over yet..  Fumesucker   Jul-01-09 05:59 AM   #64 
  - Well, everyone line up for the suicide machine then.  comrade snarky   Jun-29-09 08:49 PM   #30 
  - We already have.  GliderGuider   Jun-29-09 08:56 PM   #32 
     - Well according to what you seem to be saying we should  comrade snarky   Jun-29-09 09:17 PM   #33 
        - I'm guessing you live in a movie theater  GliderGuider   Jun-30-09 05:47 AM   #36 
           - Quick question  PVnRT   Jun-30-09 06:46 AM   #38 
           - Your question, as posed, is meaningless.  GliderGuider   Jun-30-09 07:38 AM   #39 
           - Fine, you're not a primitiveist  comrade snarky   Jun-30-09 12:50 PM   #41 
           - Actually, I have a lot to offer besides DOOOOOOOM :-)  GliderGuider   Jun-30-09 02:51 PM   #42 
              - There is no solution to anything that does not arrive  comrade snarky   Jun-30-09 03:54 PM   #44 
              - Yeah, technological progress in the last 100 years will look like nothing in the next 50.  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 08:49 PM   #50 
                 - A man of thirty is deemed mature  GliderGuider   Jun-30-09 09:59 PM   #54 
              - You're cynical about problems being solved by technology, yet hopeful...  Silent3   Jul-01-09 06:52 AM   #65 
                 - I know my position sounds naive  GliderGuider   Jul-01-09 08:21 AM   #66 
           - "[...] expecting it to have an up side but no down side [...]"  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 08:48 PM   #49 
              - You may believe that, but you cannot know it.  GliderGuider   Jun-30-09 09:26 PM   #51 
              - I can know it.  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 10:43 PM   #57 
              - Hey! Some of us like the urban life.  comrade snarky   Jun-30-09 10:38 PM   #56 
                 - I bet you'd like luxury skyscrapers with mass transit more.  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 10:47 PM   #60 
                    - I'll sure take the extra streetcars and  comrade snarky   Jun-30-09 10:55 PM   #61 
                       - You can keep your yuppy bicycles!  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 10:55 PM   #63 
  - What was it I taught you about the conservation of mass in chemical reactions?  joshcryer   Jun-30-09 08:38 PM   #47 
  - Dont forget to show some love for pt 3  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 06:35 PM   #24 
  - I was trying my best to make some sense from your post for for the life of me I can not.  ThomWV   Jun-29-09 07:03 PM   #25 
  - Its about practical Thermonuclear Fusion in my lifetime. I'm in my 50's.  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 08:32 PM   #28 
  - K&R  Wednesdays   Jun-29-09 07:31 PM   #26 
  - Thank you Wednesdays, have a very pleasant Monday evening....  FogerRox   Jun-29-09 08:42 PM   #29 
  - .  Wilms   Jun-30-09 06:27 AM   #37 
  - Kick for superior intellect n/t  autorank   Jun-30-09 04:13 PM   #45 
  - Kick. (nt)  Kurovski   Jul-01-09 06:16 PM   #67 
 

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