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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 12:19 AM
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25. In the example given, it doesn't work that way.
The IWC has no enforcement of anything, they don't set a quota. The IWC could say that Japanese whalers have to wear bunny suits while they did their "research" and it wouldn't mean anything. In the example, I'd be glad the IWC made that baby step as worthless as it were, at least recognizing the need, but I'd still decry them for violating what they were framed to allegedly be doing. BUT, I have a luxury. The IWC can fart rainbows, Sea Shepherd will still be there to ruin Japan's hunt.

I digress. Thing is, the IWC is there to do a job. To DEVELOP the whaling industry. It's like too many other animal "conservation" groups. Grow the herd to the point they can be harvested by people. It's profit, and that's why it will never be about doing what's appropriate. They're not charged with it. Congress seems oddly too much like the IWC, come to think of it.
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  -Which do you prefer: the perfect or the good? XemaSab  Jun-27-09 10:39 PM   #0 
  - Try for the perfect, but don't pout like a whiny ass titty baby if all you get is the good.  BlooInBloo   Jun-27-09 10:42 PM   #1 
  - What if you get a piece of shit everyone is pretending to be good, while making fun of your perfect?  Oregone   Jun-27-09 10:46 PM   #2 
  - I expect them to do their absolutest damndest to get as close as possible to whatever I want done.  jefferson_dem   Jun-27-09 10:48 PM   #3 
  - I prefer appropriate over half-assed.  flvegan   Jun-27-09 10:49 PM   #4 
  - Good way to frame it  Oregone   Jun-27-09 10:58 PM   #6 
  - Thank you.  flvegan   Jun-28-09 12:29 AM   #27 
  - I think on many levels we're working towards the same goals  XemaSab   Jun-27-09 11:02 PM   #7 
     - Here's the thing when you start comparing AR to politics like that  flvegan   Jun-27-09 11:28 PM   #14 
        - I may have picked a bad example  XemaSab   Jun-27-09 11:46 PM   #18 
           - In the example given, it doesn't work that way.  flvegan   Jun-28-09 12:19 AM   #25 
  - Depends on the context  depakid   Jun-27-09 10:53 PM   #5 
  - That's my biggest concern about the health care debate  Cant trust em   Jun-28-09 03:10 AM   #29 
  - I'm all for the good, but it actually has to *be good*. Not the payout or the ratcheting down  Mark Twain Girl   Jun-27-09 11:06 PM   #8 
  - PREFER perfect, of course,  elleng   Jun-27-09 11:10 PM   #9 
  - It isn't possible to come close to getting anything good unless you demand perfect.  eridani   Jun-27-09 11:10 PM   #10 
  - What if the high offer makes people walk away from the table?  Cant trust em   Jun-28-09 03:14 AM   #30 
     - Analogy fails, as single payer is the best financial deal available  eridani   Jun-28-09 04:00 AM   #32 
        - Yet somehow getting people to agree to that seems to be a sticking point. nt  Cant trust em   Jun-28-09 11:30 AM   #41 
           - It's just a matter of doing the math  eridani   Jun-29-09 04:17 AM   #42 
  - I prefer that advocates not construct false paradigms to sell their ideas.  TexasObserver   Jun-27-09 11:10 PM   #11 
  - Can you give an example?  XemaSab   Jun-27-09 11:22 PM   #12 
     - Yes. This thread.  TexasObserver   Jun-27-09 11:38 PM   #17 
        - I'm not following you at all  XemaSab   Jun-27-09 11:54 PM   #21 
           - I believe it is a false dichotomy to talk in terms of "the good" v. "the perfect."  TexasObserver   Jun-28-09 12:05 AM   #22 
              - I think it's the realistic result of negotiation.  Cant trust em   Jun-28-09 03:21 AM   #31 
  - i prefer perfect, but i'll settle for good. just like blowjobs.  dysfunctional press   Jun-27-09 11:24 PM   #13 
  - I think they should try for the perfect because they must compromise anyway, so  Kitty Herder   Jun-27-09 11:30 PM   #15 
  - Depends on how ideal (what you call "perfect") became acceptable (what you call "good") n/t  ColbertWatcher   Jun-27-09 11:31 PM   #16 
  - I prefer polls that aren't smug push polls. How about "the good" vs "the less than desirable"?  readmoreoften   Jun-27-09 11:49 PM   #19 
  - AKA. Do you want a solution or do you want feelgood bullshit that only appears to get the job done?  readmoreoften   Jun-27-09 11:51 PM   #20 
  - Which do you prefer? False Dichotomy or Platitude-Based Thinking?  JackRiddler   Jun-28-09 12:09 AM   #23 
  - there's little to no difference between 'The Good' and 'The Perfect'  xchrom   Jun-28-09 12:16 AM   #24 
  - False Dicotomy; did not vote  PufPuf23   Jun-28-09 12:26 AM   #26 
  - BINGO! US citizens ("barbarians") do enjoy the freedom to cheerlead though. n/t  asteroid2003QQ47   Jun-28-09 04:04 AM   #33 
  - Here is an example I just posted in another thread....Kucinich and SCHIP  slipslidingaway   Jun-28-09 12:32 AM   #28 
  - It depends on whether better legislation was actually impossible  Hippo_Tron   Jun-28-09 04:05 AM   #34 
  - Since there is no such thing as perfection in human affairs..  Fumesucker   Jun-28-09 07:44 AM   #35 
  - In the healthcare debate, single payer is perfect. Public Option is good.  WeDidIt   Jun-28-09 07:50 AM   #36 
  - "Good enough" lingers just as long.  rucky   Jun-28-09 07:54 AM   #37 
  - Obama isnt just hobbling together a rube goldberg device.  Gman2   Jun-28-09 08:10 AM   #38 
  - You make such good sense. I agree 100%.  CTyankee   Jun-28-09 09:50 AM   #39 
  - "Not as bad" does not equal good, any more than half a lie doesn't equal truth.  Tierra_y_Libertad   Jun-28-09 09:52 AM   #40 
  - Other:  LWolf   Jun-29-09 12:27 PM   #43 
  - it's the good that always gets compared  GreenArrow   Jun-29-09 12:30 PM   #44 

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