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Wed Jun-24-09 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #126 |
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would it be wrong for the general to have referred to Sen. Boxer with the gender specifc personal pronoun "she" if talking to another Senator about a comment or request of Boxer? what about a possessive pronoun? Could he make reference to "her" request. Doing either would by your interestingly broad definition "bring up" her "gender."
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| -"Ma'am-Gate"...Chuck DeVore calls Senator's salutation preference "liberal-military confrontation" |
Amerigo Vespucci |
Jun-22-09 03:50 PM |
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I hope that Chuck DeVore puts his own money into the race. |
Eric J in MN |
Jun-22-09 03:52 PM |
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You call your boss whatever he or she tells you to. Period. |
Ian David |
Jun-22-09 03:56 PM |
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Why, what happened on Voyager? NT |
Eric J in MN |
Jun-22-09 04:05 PM |
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Her instructions were something like, "Call me Captain, or Ma'am in a pinch, but don't call me Sir" |
Ian David |
Jun-22-09 04:09 PM |
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Nice reference |
dorkulon |
Jun-22-09 04:16 PM |
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True. n/t |
Ian David |
Jun-22-09 04:18 PM |
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* |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-22-09 04:13 PM |
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Of all the senate races I've ever seen, I can't recall ever seeing |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 04:29 PM |
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She had no way of knowing that a 16 second video of that exchange would be made... |
Eric J in MN |
Jun-22-09 04:38 PM |
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The multitude of cameras in the room should have been a clue. nt |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 06:05 PM |
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There are usually cameras during hearings. |
Eric J in MN |
Jun-23-09 11:25 AM |
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Why wouldn't she? C-Span is not exactly a secret organization. n/t |
Raineyb |
Jun-23-09 04:17 PM |
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Aside from your projections and misinterpretion, does it ever occur to you to support one our best |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 05:47 PM |
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As the Patrick Swayze character said in the movie "Roadhouse", |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 06:04 PM |
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Bullshit. |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:08 PM |
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No, I have not been "ma'amed". But in my 28 years in the Navy I |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 06:20 PM |
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You call your commanding officer as "Sir" or "Ma'am" as the default, unless otherwise instructed. |
Selatius |
Jun-22-09 06:27 PM |
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It's difficult for some males and some military folks to expand their point of view to think |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:28 PM |
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It is difficult for some people, male, female, military, civilian to |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 07:46 PM |
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His attitude isn't the point. Her preference is. That's it. He dealt with it. So can everybody else. |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 08:04 PM |
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Her attitude is the point. Rather than addressing her 'preference' |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 09:07 PM |
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The senator and the general and the people with common sense are fine with it. |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 09:18 PM |
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I thought she came across a bit too strong |
MrsMatt |
Jun-23-09 12:11 PM |
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It is helpful to "have a complete grasp of what constitutes courtesy in the" Congressional culture |
omega minimo |
Jun-23-09 12:37 PM |
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I don't think he was discourteous |
MrsMatt |
Jun-23-09 03:01 PM |
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Please try to understand IT DOES NOT MATTER if he was "discourteous" |
omega minimo |
Jun-23-09 03:10 PM |
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If you want to look like a jerk, |
subcomhd |
Jun-23-09 01:04 PM |
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Not a popular opinion. nt |
Obamanaut |
Jun-23-09 01:27 PM |
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Oh, I think it's probably pretty popular. |
subcomhd |
Jun-23-09 01:39 PM |
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Tried to warn you. But I agree with you. nt |
Obamanaut |
Jun-24-09 01:43 PM |
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sometimes the outrage is downright Palinesque |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 01:48 PM |
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From what you're claiming, it's clear you did not watch the hearing. She was called |
omega minimo |
Jun-23-09 06:01 PM |
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and in what universe is ma'am an insult? |
subcomhd |
Jun-23-09 10:32 PM |
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Hey there dude from redneckistan!! Read the thread, there's lots of good discussion |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 12:08 AM |
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yes ma'am there sure is |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 11:06 AM |
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and yet you still don't get the concept |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 11:17 AM |
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I get the concept |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 12:06 PM |
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Nope, still don't got it |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 12:07 PM |
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Get What? Paleo-Feminist High Dudgeon? |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 01:59 PM |
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How's the weather in Redneckistan today? Hot nuff for ya? |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 02:01 PM |
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I saw this on HuffPost |
purplecat1 |
Jun-22-09 04:01 PM |
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Or the TITTLE, which is what she asked |
nadinbrzezinski |
Jun-22-09 04:04 PM |
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He was being nice. She wasn't. |
dorkulon |
Jun-22-09 04:12 PM |
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She didn't say it was derisive to say "ma'am," just that she prefers Senator. |
Eric J in MN |
Jun-22-09 04:39 PM |
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Thank you. That's it |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 05:58 PM |
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If you don't see how gender enters into it, that's already a problem. |
EFerrari |
Jun-22-09 05:48 PM |
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Do you know if the general was |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:00 PM |
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I don't but I trust Barbara. She is not a drama queen. She's my best Senator. |
EFerrari |
Jun-22-09 06:11 PM |
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The ONLY one who contested the bogus Ohio vote count that reinstalled Bushco in 2004 |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:26 PM |
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It doesn't have to be "derisive." She expressed her preference and her reason. Doesn't matter what |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 05:58 PM |
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I still don't get it. |
dorkulon |
Jun-22-09 06:09 PM |
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They are called both Senator and "Sir." I'll bet that's what the General did that day and on other |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:25 PM |
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You may be right. |
dorkulon |
Jun-22-09 07:07 PM |
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I'm watching it too. Very interesting, inc. that it's Army Corps, regarding delays in NOLA projects |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 08:01 PM |
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People don't get it. They don't get that bringing up a women's gender |
EFerrari |
Jun-22-09 04:13 PM |
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I just think this is silliness |
purplecat1 |
Jun-22-09 05:42 PM |
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Sexism is mostly a matter of context and you were not in that room. |
EFerrari |
Jun-22-09 05:46 PM |
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The Brigadier General isn't the one making an issue of this |
purplecat1 |
Jun-22-09 05:58 PM |
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That's right. The RW nutcases are. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jun-22-09 06:03 PM |
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. |
fascisthunter |
Jun-22-09 06:40 PM |
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I believe the senator from California did. It could have been done |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 07:50 PM |
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The senator from California expressed a preference |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 03:59 PM |
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He handled it better than all the stufffy sorts who don't get the concept. "Even on DU" |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:05 PM |
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#1. Please have some respect. #2 She wasn't "condescending." #3 Have some respect. |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:01 PM |
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Respect and social mores dictate... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-22-09 06:02 PM |
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Respectfully and well put |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:06 PM |
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Your are correct |
Thothmes |
Jun-22-09 07:15 PM |
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But, it is not totatlly improper to... |
EndersDame |
Jun-22-09 08:16 PM |
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Reverends and doctors in particular are never "off work." |
Maru Kitteh |
Jun-23-09 01:15 PM |
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The general WAS being respectful. It was Senator Boxer who was being rude in this case. |
Raineyb |
Jun-23-09 04:24 PM |
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I imagine we all interpret to one extent or another... |
LanternWaste |
Jun-24-09 03:10 PM |
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Raineyb, she didn't scold him. "Nicer tone"? Come on. If you haven't watched the tape, it really |
omega minimo |
Jun-25-09 03:39 PM |
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It's different when you're one of only HOW MANY women in The Senate? n/t |
Ian David |
Jun-22-09 04:10 PM |
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Yes, it's uncivilized when someone who blows up stuff for a living has their speech corrected. |
Warren DeMontague |
Jun-22-09 04:17 PM |
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so what! |
shanti |
Jun-22-09 06:46 PM |
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Uh huh |
bluestateguy |
Jun-22-09 04:09 PM |
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What if Gen. Pataeus first winked and said, "You can call me Dave." n/t |
Ian David |
Jun-22-09 04:11 PM |
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Did anyone call her "Barbara"? |
dorkulon |
Jun-22-09 04:18 PM |
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I think this is sort of an age thing, too. |
LuvNewcastle |
Jun-22-09 04:25 PM |
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Goodness, but Republican teapots are prone to tempests |
gratuitous |
Jun-22-09 04:27 PM |
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If people think that was rude and condescending they really need to get out more. |
madmom |
Jun-22-09 04:29 PM |
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I watched it without the sound. She even LOOKED pleasant. |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 05:45 PM |
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Barbara Bush had a pleasant demeanor when she spoke of |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 06:08 PM |
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Your snide lack of support for one of the best reps Democrats have is = your credibility. |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 06:11 PM |
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See post 36 - "As the Patrick Swayze character..." nt |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 06:24 PM |
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Sucks when we make it this easy for the right to attack us |
NeedleCast |
Jun-22-09 04:42 PM |
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Sucks when people can't support a simple, rightful request. The RW will attack ANYTHING &you know it |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 04:48 PM |
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LOL. Like the right ever needs an occasion. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jun-22-09 06:07 PM |
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The general referred to Male Senators as "Senator" and to Senator Boxer as "Ma'am" |
WeDidIt |
Jun-22-09 07:16 PM |
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"He was a sexist mysoginistic bastard" |
dorkulon |
Jun-23-09 05:55 PM |
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In the military it seems like "sir/ma'am" is fine in reply to an order |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-22-09 06:23 PM |
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In the military it seems like "sir/ma'am" is fine in reply to an order |
bluedawg12 |
Jun-22-09 06:23 PM |
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In the marine corps |
subcomhd |
Jun-23-09 01:24 PM |
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When I was in the Army it was a mortal sin not to salute a passing officer. |
wroberts189 |
Jun-22-09 06:24 PM |
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Ma'am or Sir, if delivered without an eye roll, is proper respect. |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 06:34 PM |
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I doubt she bruised the General's ego. nt |
wroberts189 |
Jun-22-09 07:09 PM |
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"The point was to belittle the general." That's completely false. SHE HAS THE RIGHT |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 08:15 PM |
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She has the right. OK. But she didn't have the common courtesy |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 09:15 PM |
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That's not up to you. |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 09:19 PM |
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Nor you. nt |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 09:36 PM |
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You're the one making demands of her! Gotta be "right" even tho you're wrong!! |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 09:40 PM |
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You said "That's not up to you" Response "Nor you" Not that hard |
Obamanaut |
Jun-22-09 10:01 PM |
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I never said it was up to me or demanded as you did. How fucking bizarre. |
omega minimo |
Jun-22-09 10:20 PM |
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And if a male senator asked to be referred to as Senator... |
joeybee12 |
Jun-22-09 06:30 PM |
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No, if it were a Democrat we would |
Hello_Kitty |
Jun-22-09 08:26 PM |
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did the general address the male senators as Senator or Sir? |
alfredo |
Jun-22-09 06:34 PM |
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Both (nt) |
dorkulon |
Jun-22-09 07:12 PM |
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Yes he did... |
trumad |
Jun-22-09 08:21 PM |
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The only correct way to address a Senator... |
hayu_lol |
Jun-23-09 12:08 PM |
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Actually, that is not the only correct way to address a senator. On |
Obamanaut |
Jun-24-09 03:52 PM |
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Jim DeMint is a fool. |
Arkana |
Jun-23-09 12:09 PM |
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I stand by my position on a previous post. |
Beacool |
Jun-23-09 02:20 PM |
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. |
omega minimo |
Jun-23-09 03:12 PM |
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Jun-24-09 12:36 PM |
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Aside from your intentionally disgusting term, the gen. called her "Madame Chair" throughout his |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 02:12 PM |
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Jun-24-09 03:16 PM |
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Yeah, that's logical. |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 03:00 PM |
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Didn't say that. |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 03:14 PM |
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yes you did and you contradict yourself |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 03:46 PM |
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Fighting is stupid, esp. when you're wrong |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 06:42 PM |
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This exchange took place in the Senate, not in combat |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 03:56 PM |
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He brought up her crotch? |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 03:57 PM |
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I'm saying that bringing up a woman's gender in a public setting |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:00 PM |
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he didn't bring up her gender, again |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 04:04 PM |
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Yes, he brought up her gender when he called her "Ma'am". |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:07 PM |
#126 |
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entonces |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 04:16 PM |
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You know, it's just like someone calling you "Sweetie" too many times |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:20 PM |
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Sweety = Ma'am? |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 04:32 PM |
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LOL. They would have had to carry him out, I think. |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:42 PM |
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If you didn't learn English until school, you write it extremely well. |
Obamanaut |
Jun-24-09 04:19 PM |
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I dropped out at Cal before I finished my English dissertation because the money |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:23 PM |
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My 40 yr old daughter just earned her master's this year - one class |
Obamanaut |
Jun-24-09 04:38 PM |
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Good for her! Congratulations! |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:42 PM |
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Being addressed previously as 'Madame Chair' is fairly gender specific, |
Obamanaut |
Jun-24-09 03:58 PM |
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Did she rebuke him? She asked him to call her "Senator". |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:02 PM |
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yes, it was a rebuke |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 04:08 PM |
#127 |
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That's probably right. n/t |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:09 PM |
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Well, gee. Here we have a general calling a woman "ma'am" and |
Obamanaut |
Jun-24-09 04:14 PM |
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What a pantload. LOL! The great part of this over the top crap |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:18 PM |
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ok |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 04:29 PM |
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Women = bullies, Men = Commanding |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:39 PM |
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en realidad |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 04:49 PM |
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I'm trying to think of a movie scene. But they do it all the time. |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 05:00 PM |
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OK |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 05:05 PM |
#147 |
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My racist brother in law used to call me "our little interpreter" |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 05:07 PM |
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One would think that a senator would be less fragile as well. Surely, |
Obamanaut |
Jun-24-09 04:30 PM |
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'Way too much drama. |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 04:31 PM |
#137 |
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Thanks to you and subcomhd, I really enjoyed the last part of this |
Obamanaut |
Jun-24-09 05:43 PM |
#149 |
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It is refreshing to be able to just talk to other DUers. |
EFerrari |
Jun-24-09 06:35 PM |
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I just noticed your Galeano quote. |
subcomhd |
Jun-25-09 12:14 AM |
#156 |
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If you like him, here is a great interview he just did on BookTv: |
EFerrari |
Jun-25-09 12:25 AM |
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Gracias EF! |
subcomhd |
Jun-25-09 03:25 PM |
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Placer es mio. Come by the Latin America forum sometime. |
EFerrari |
Jun-25-09 03:33 PM |
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you are welcome |
subcomhd |
Jun-25-09 12:15 AM |
#157 |
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Let's see... How dare she? Who does this woman think she is? Is she trying to |
Liquorice |
Jun-24-09 03:52 PM |
#117 |
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bingo. n/t |
Fleshdancer |
Jun-24-09 04:32 PM |
#138 |
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Why do old school feminists love that word? |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 05:00 PM |
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Jun-24-09 06:52 PM |
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And from a Palin apologist! LOL |
subcomhd |
Jun-24-09 07:11 PM |
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Jun-24-09 07:15 PM |
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Well, I don't know anything about "old school feminists." The reason |
Liquorice |
Jun-25-09 01:52 AM |
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Old School wasn't a reference to your age. |
subcomhd |
Jun-25-09 04:22 PM |
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Good thing you used the :sarcasm: |
omega minimo |
Jun-24-09 06:53 PM |
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