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27. Pastor who prayed for Obama's death is a leader in the Southern Baptist convention.Updated at 2:17 AM
Somehow I missed the fact that this guy was one of the top leaders in the Southern Baptist Church. I saw this at Huffington Post today.

A Little Talk with the Man who prayed For Obama's Death

Even by the nut case standard of the assorted pack of neo-Nazi unreconstructed Klan members, Aryan Nation haters, and the legion of loose screw religious cranks and loonies, the Reverend Wiley S. Drake's public prayer for the death of President Obama stretched far past the outer limit of credulity. The unrepentant Drake did not back away from the prayer when asked about it by Alan Colmes on Fox News Radio on June 2. He pleaded that he didn't understand why people were upset with his comments.

Drake is not just a garden variety religious crank. In 2006, he reigned as the second vice president of the nearly 20 million strong Southern Baptist Convention. The group is by far the nation's biggest evangelical denomination. He pastors a bonafide church, the First Southern Baptist Church in the middle-class bedroom city of Buena Park, California. Drake has his own popular radio show on the Crusade Radio Network. In April, Southern Baptist Convention spokesperson Richard Land even had kind words for Obama for his family values emphasis.

Convention officials, though, were far less forthright about Wiley's death prayer death for Obama. It issued a perfunctory statement saying that his views were his and his alone. It did not vigorously denounce those views, especially his Obama death prayer.


The church officials did not even denounce his statement. This was a leader near the top of the SBC.

This writer, however, couldn't let Drake's purported death prayer on Obama lightly pass. So I had a little talk with him mostly to give him another chance to back off his prayer.
Here's an excerpt from the June 19 talk with Drake:

"Did you actually pray for President Obama's death?"
"No, I was merely citing an imprecatory prayer which in scripture is a prayer mandated by God to smite down the enemies....those that do evil."


"So you're saying that you did not actually call for Obama's death?"
"I was asked in an interview about the murder of Kansas doctor George Tiller and I said in an imprecatory prayer that Tiller who was responsible for the murder of thousands of children was given a chance at salvation and that didn't happen so he was condemned in prayer to die. I had no regrets about his death. I was then asked if the imprecatory prayer for the death of evil doers could even extend to the president. I said yes. I was merely citing a prayer."

"Do you stand by that?"
"Unfortunately in the interview I said Obama. I'm not wanting (sic) the president dead. The prayer for his death is not my prayer but comes from God."
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  Southern Baptists said to be stagnating, need new direction. Cultivated "too narrow a base". madfloridian  Jun-20-09 05:57 PM   #0 
   Fine. Let them fail. Good riddance to narrow minded folk.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jun-20-09 06:01 PM   #1 
   Perhaps the same could be said of all religions  anonymous171   Jun-20-09 06:12 PM   #6 
   Sure. But they are not all equally relevant to America as a whole.  BlooInBloo   Jun-20-09 06:18 PM   #12 
   I'd agree with that  Skittles   Jun-21-09 12:38 AM   #45 
   Exactly..  sendero   Jun-20-09 08:06 PM   #24 
   Actually, Christianity is just fine - not old or tired or out-of-touch.  Kalyke   Jun-22-09 10:07 AM   #68 
   I know! They can move further to the right, and render themselves completely useless!  NRaleighLiberal   Jun-20-09 06:06 PM   #2 
   They, like all fundie-leaning denoms, are in a conundrum.  donco6   Jun-20-09 06:07 PM   #3 
   We Episcopalians haven't lost  shimmergal   Jun-20-09 11:42 PM   #35 
   the secret if that the vast majority of Southern Baptists pay little attention  Ex Lurker   Jun-21-09 12:02 AM   #39 
   their anti-gay virulence has been surpassed by the mormons nt  msongs   Jun-20-09 06:08 PM   #4 
   You Can Join The Church Of Christ-They Are Open And Affirming  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-20-09 06:12 PM   #5 
      I believe you mean the United Church of Christ.  rateyes   Jun-20-09 06:17 PM   #11 
      My Bad, The UCC  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-20-09 06:24 PM   #14 
      You must be United CoC not regular CoC  get the red out   Jun-22-09 09:57 AM   #66 
         You know what's interesting, though?  Lars39   Jun-22-09 10:39 AM   #70 
            It seems!  get the red out   Jun-22-09 10:41 AM   #71 
               I've seen it occur, inch by inch.  Lars39   Jun-22-09 10:54 AM   #75 
                  Exactly!  get the red out   Jun-22-09 11:06 AM   #79 
                     Sometimes I think it's just as simple as members thinking  Lars39   Jun-22-09 11:12 AM   #81 
   WOW! Who coulda known the more people communicate and learn about  nosmokes   Jun-20-09 06:13 PM   #7 
   Hope they keep shrinking to the point they disappear.  katandmoon   Jun-20-09 06:13 PM   #8 
   As a graduate of a Southern Baptist seminary...  rateyes   Jun-20-09 06:15 PM   #9 
   You make some good points.  madfloridian   Jun-20-09 08:03 PM   #23 
   I can tell you that they come out of some very close minded churches.  rateyes   Jun-20-09 08:08 PM   #26 
   One of my Grandfathers & my favorite Uncle were SB preachers  DKRC   Jun-21-09 01:08 AM   #46 
   That's terrible they said that to your daughter.  madfloridian   Jun-21-09 01:50 AM   #47 
   Terrible for them maybe  DKRC   Jun-21-09 02:29 AM   #48 
   Why are you letting these people anywhere near your daughter?  jazzjunkysue   Jun-22-09 11:02 AM   #78 
      Visiting with my family in AL  DKRC   Jun-22-09 06:22 PM   #83 
         Oh-Sorry. I had now way of knowing it was just one day. You're right:  jazzjunkysue   Jun-22-09 06:35 PM   #84 
   Absolutely correct  get the red out   Jun-22-09 10:01 AM   #67 
   Well said.  Vidar   Jun-22-09 10:45 AM   #72 
   Let them rot.  BlooInBloo   Jun-20-09 06:17 PM   #10 
   yep  Liberal_in_LA   Jun-20-09 08:06 PM   #25 
   Fighting Wall Street like they were suppose to do might help.  Joanne98   Jun-20-09 06:18 PM   #13 
   boo-effing-hoo nt  create.peace   Jun-20-09 06:37 PM   #15 
   Surprised?  BolivarianHero   Jun-20-09 06:41 PM   #16 
   A little fact that they like to gloss over  mitchum   Jun-20-09 06:56 PM   #18 
   Yep, that's why the black Baptists have a separate organization.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jun-20-09 07:52 PM   #21 
      Heh  BolivarianHero   Jun-22-09 10:51 AM   #74 
   Drown them in their magic swimming pool...and good riddance  mitchum   Jun-20-09 06:54 PM   #17 
   I had an argument with a Babdiss preacher a long time ago  HillWilliam   Jun-21-09 09:40 AM   #52 
   Great news! I hope they all shrivel up dry out and blow away.  old mark   Jun-20-09 07:18 PM   #19 
   Fuck'em !  RagAss   Jun-20-09 07:22 PM   #20 
   This is why the UUs don't have splits.  Manifestor_of_Light   Jun-20-09 07:53 PM   #22 
   Pastor who prayed for Obama's death is a leader in the Southern Baptist convention.  madfloridian   Jun-20-09 09:59 PM   #27 
   sort of  Ex Lurker   Jun-21-09 12:05 AM   #40 
   I guess there aren't enough psychos for them to cultivate so they may  Cleita   Jun-20-09 10:01 PM   #28 
   You don't say!  UrbScotty   Jun-20-09 10:09 PM   #29 
   Luke Chapter 4.  bmbmd   Jun-20-09 10:24 PM   #30 
   Wanting to throw Jesus off a cliff. One of those "inconvenient" parts of the bible.  madfloridian   Jun-20-09 11:14 PM   #31 
      One of my favorite Woody Allen lines...  WinstonSmith4740   Jun-20-09 11:28 PM   #32 
   I think that title is about 150 years too late  jmondine   Jun-20-09 11:33 PM   #33 
   For way too long there has been too much of a punitive energy  saltpoint   Jun-20-09 11:34 PM   #34 
   Punitive is a great choice of words.  madfloridian   Jun-21-09 12:22 AM   #43 
      Hi, madfloridian. Well, if you were raised that way, you must have  saltpoint   Jun-21-09 03:04 AM   #49 
         Well I was one of the lucky ones.  madfloridian   Jun-21-09 01:06 PM   #60 
   The southern baptist church didn't become this way by accident  Engineer4Obama   Jun-20-09 11:46 PM   #36 
   Yes, and much of that purge started in Central Florida.  madfloridian   Jun-20-09 11:53 PM   #37 
   I hope they never compromise their "values".  Quantess   Jun-21-09 12:00 AM   #38 
   I hope they lose the ability to reproduce.  Stinky The Clown   Jun-21-09 12:06 AM   #41 
   Perhaps they should start preaching about what they are FOR  SoCalDem   Jun-21-09 12:09 AM   #42 
   You are exactly right.  madfloridian   Jun-21-09 12:37 AM   #44 
   Please Don't Throw Out The Baby With The Bathwater  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-21-09 07:24 AM   #50 
   Joel Hunter is a Republican  Bluenorthwest   Jun-21-09 10:08 AM   #54 
      If He Believes That, That's Messed Up  DemocratSinceBirth   Jun-21-09 10:50 AM   #58 
   hateful morons going extinct? delightful news!  ima_sinnic   Jun-21-09 07:45 AM   #51 
   Declare all Baptist marriages illegal  get the red out   Jun-21-09 10:02 AM   #53 
   The thing that is so sad about the SB's is they were one of the first to have female clergy  Peacetrain   Jun-21-09 10:14 AM   #55 
   Sometimes in history, religions die out.  saltpoint   Jun-21-09 10:18 AM   #56 
   I went with a friend's family to a SB service once.  Ikonoklast   Jun-21-09 10:39 AM   #57 
   Romance is selfish for wives? I bet frequent  Ilsa   Jun-21-09 11:07 AM   #59 
   Yea, I didn't get that  get the red out   Jun-22-09 09:35 AM   #65 
   More about Mohler and the SBC theological seminary.  madfloridian   Jun-21-09 01:48 PM   #61 
   Molly Ivins had it right -- "the trouble with our local Baptists ..."  eppur_se_muova   Jun-21-09 03:07 PM   #62 
   LOL  madfloridian   Jun-21-09 04:08 PM   #63 
   Thanks! Never heard that one! Lol! We miss you, Molly!  jazzjunkysue   Jun-22-09 10:58 AM   #77 
   Holding baptists under water long enough...  Manifestor_of_Light   Jun-23-09 12:46 AM   #87 
   Two words.  shadowknows69   Jun-21-09 06:46 PM   #64 
   I think I'll go home tonight and mention to my wife that...  SidDithers   Jun-22-09 10:17 AM   #69 
   LOL  madfloridian   Jun-22-09 10:44 PM   #85 
   Fundamentalist religions, that fail to change with society, are ALWAYS doomed to failure  scheming daemons   Jun-22-09 10:45 AM   #73 
   Jesus will be relieved to learn that they're hiring new P.R. people to refine his message.  jazzjunkysue   Jun-22-09 10:57 AM   #76 
   good to hear  fishwax   Jun-22-09 11:09 AM   #80 
   If Rick Warren is a misogynist twirp..  BolivarianHero   Jun-22-09 11:16 AM   #82 
   Could it be... could it be...  Beartracks   Jun-22-09 11:45 PM   #86 
 

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