warren pease
(1000+ posts)
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Sat Jun-20-09 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #5 |
| 67. Yeah, I have to agree... And I really don't even like Maher much because... |
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... he's such a smug little prick so much of the time. But he's a good observer, at least good enough to know it when a gigantic lemon hits him square in the face with a "splat" heard in the next county.
It's like they're still operating on that old fantasy slogan: "Vote Democratic because we don't suck quite as bad as the GOP."
But they're catching up in a hurry, it seems. Obama refuses to admit he's on record (like there's actual TEE-VEE footage from when he was an Illinois legislator) advocating for single-payer as the only realistic way to kick the parasites and serial killers out of the medical insurance scam and replace them with patient-centric health care.
His pal Baucus flatly refuses to do the peoples' business until the people make his personal discomfort their own business, too.
Pelosi's fucking table, AKA unilateral disarmament.
Reid's hand-wringing and the giant bulls-eye painted on his ass, the former Marine destroyed by the Stockholm Syndrome.
Feinstein the philistine war profiteer.
Jane Harman, richest member of the House, Rand Corp co-dependent and one of the Gang of Six briefed in 2002 by the CIA on "enhanced interrogation techniques" -- and who, along with Ms. Nancy and four other "need to know" types -- approved of this country's unspeakably horrible decision to return to 15th century Spain, where Torquemada and his toys await new visitors.
Steny Hoyer and fellow DLC cohorts caught on TV laughing their asses off last session when they passed yet another Bushie-inspired war "emergency appropriations bill" -- all giggly that the people who voted for democrats expected these entrenched pricks and lying fuckers to actually deliver on even one single campaign promise.
The list of abuse is endless but the solution is pretty simple -- keep Wexler, Kucinich, Waters, Lee, Woolsey, and a few others in the House; keep Sanders, Feingold, Merkley, Kennedy, Franken (if Reid ever lets him take his seat), Burris (just because he pisses Reid off), maybe Harkin, Boxer (on her better days), Klobuchar the same ...
Add a few more of the rarest political breed of all -- the true progressive -- and get the hell rid of the rest.
So yeah... What's so tough to swallow about Maher's read on the current state of this woeful collection of rich collaborators who fit the very definition of an honest politician -- one you can buy and who stays bought.
In my view, this is just another of those ridiculous "keeping the powder dry" exercises in which the gun powder is allowed to sit so long it loses its explosive properties.
Tell me I'm completely wrong -- please. I'd really prefer it.
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New Rules with Bill Maher, Democrats have become Republican Lite |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 07:11 AM |
#0 |

And Bill Maher sits on the sidelines throwing stones. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 07:25 AM |
#1 |
 
IMHO, his last new rule was dead on and those thoughts are often expressed here on DU, including |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 07:36 AM |
#2 |
  
I guess that explains why you posted it. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 07:52 AM |
#3 |
   
. |
Bandit |
Jun-20-09 11:30 AM |
#50 |
  
Myself included |
question everything |
Jun-20-09 05:46 PM |
#93 |
  
Of course liberals and progressives would all agree with Maher... |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:36 PM |
#108 |
   
+1, defendandprotect! nt |
Enthusiast |
Jun-21-09 04:18 AM |
#164 |
  
Hey By myself. |
Upfront |
Jun-20-09 10:38 PM |
#133 |
 
Maher's analysis is, unfortunately, accurate and correct. |
cornermouse |
Jun-20-09 07:56 AM |
#5 |
  
Despite his confidence, it's merely his opinion. And, I think he's wrong. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 08:04 AM |
#9 |
   
Maher's right. |
cornermouse |
Jun-20-09 08:15 AM |
#11 |
    
Reagan successfully made Liberal a dirty word and since then the party, that I was |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 08:20 AM |
#12 |
     
and you are considered a traitor to the Democrats |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-20-09 09:49 AM |
#27 |
    
Ain't that the truth. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 10:30 AM |
#38 |
    
Amen. Let's get this featured in the video section! |
ihavenobias |
Jun-20-09 11:53 AM |
#54 |
    
Newt and Karl use that kind of language, not true Dems |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 05:31 PM |
#89 |
     
I dont care what Maher calls himself |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-20-09 10:56 PM |
#140 |
     
You are completely wrong |
Enthusiast |
Jun-21-09 04:26 AM |
#167 |
    
Wrong, wrong, and wrong. And, you misread one of my comments. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-21-09 07:07 PM |
#186 |
    
It is our responsiblilty to identify |
mcollier |
Jun-20-09 10:27 PM |
#132 |
     
They don't need us. The corporatists fill their coffers. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 11:09 PM |
#142 |
    
because Presideont Obama is the real villian, not some hack who only waxes poetic. |
pasto76 |
Jun-21-09 12:18 AM |
#144 |
    
No vilifying here. |
Enthusiast |
Jun-21-09 04:21 AM |
#166 |
    
... in your opinion. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 08:21 AM |
#13 |
     
In your opinion. |
cornermouse |
Jun-20-09 08:30 AM |
#14 |
     
When building straw men, you need exactly the right type of straw |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-20-09 04:22 PM |
#82 |
     
Include me in that. |
Maat |
Jun-20-09 09:30 PM |
#104 |
     
Yes we can |
ekwhite |
Jun-20-09 09:39 PM |
#110 |
     
So, to answer the question, you DON'T believe Reagan made "liberal" a dirty word? nt |
Selatius |
Jun-21-09 02:35 AM |
#157 |
    
Maher is right and you are right, cornermouse. |
Enthusiast |
Jun-21-09 04:19 AM |
#165 |
   
Then name more than 5 Senators out of 100 who are |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jun-20-09 11:06 AM |
#48 |
    
Are there even 5? Russ Feingold, Bernie Sanders (Ind), Tom Harkins. I used to think Barbara |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 12:57 PM |
#64 |
     
Harkin does some good things |
hfojvt |
Jun-20-09 03:49 PM |
#79 |
    
Leahy |
handmade34 |
Jun-20-09 10:24 PM |
#129 |
    
self-delete |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-22-09 09:47 AM |
#188 |
    
Sure. That's easy. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 05:14 PM |
#88 |
   
Senator Claire McKaskill is more progressive than Senator Bernie Sanders!? |
Selatius |
Jun-21-09 02:38 AM |
#158 |
   
HUH?? Name names. Name Progressives. Real Progressives. |
OwnedByFerrets |
Jun-22-09 09:39 AM |
#187 |
   
Plez don't leave us hanging. You think he is wrong because ......................... ??? nm |
rhett o rick |
Jun-21-09 12:50 AM |
#148 |
  
Yeah, I have to agree... And I really don't even like Maher much because... |
warren pease |
Jun-20-09 01:25 PM |
#67 |
 
Tell it, bruthah! (or is it sistah?) |
Stardust |
Jun-21-09 01:42 AM |
#150 |
  
It's actually "old curmudgeonly bastard" according to my wife... n/t |
warren pease |
Jun-21-09 03:06 PM |
#183 |
 
Perfect! You won't get a "wrong" from me! |
asteroid2003QQ47 |
Jun-21-09 02:49 AM |
#161 |
  
Thanks, and... |
warren pease |
Jun-21-09 03:47 PM |
#184 |
 
an absolutely brilliant post! thanks :) nt |
inna |
Jun-21-09 06:44 AM |
#172 |
 
And thank you for the kind words... |
warren pease |
Jun-21-09 03:48 PM |
#185 |
 
Pass the Gatorade. |
rug |
Jun-20-09 10:31 AM |
#40 |
  
Is it in you? |
Bucky |
Jun-20-09 02:51 PM |
#76 |
 
Susan B Anthony ring any bells? |
Bandit |
Jun-20-09 10:57 AM |
#45 |
  
+1! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 11:02 AM |
#46 |
 
And Buzz Clik sits on the sidelines.... |
bvar22 |
Jun-20-09 12:30 PM |
#56 |
  
Mahr is not just any messennger. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 07:05 PM |
#95 |
   
Well, if it's a shock to you that the Democratic Party has been co-opted by corporations . . .. |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:26 PM |
#103 |
  
Corporations are not inherently evil. They pay the freight for a lot of good people. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 09:50 PM |
#120 |
  
Unregulated capitalism is merely organized crime -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 10:07 PM |
#128 |
   
Is this boiling down to a debate of socialism versus capitalism? I'll pass. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 10:26 PM |
#130 |
  
It boils down to, at the minimum, RE-REGULATING capitalism . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 10:48 PM |
#138 |
  
Go to opensecrets.org and you'll see what corporate whores they are. The amount |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-21-09 07:41 AM |
#175 |
  
Mahr is not just any messennger. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 07:05 PM |
#96 |
 
And you thought Maher's message was pro-corporate?????? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 10:44 PM |
#136 |
 
sigh. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 10:46 PM |
#137 |
 
Maher is against the wars and for taxation on rich, for national health care . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 10:52 PM |
#139 |
 
real big ones nt |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-20-09 04:26 PM |
#83 |
  
big stones can be thrown errantly ... like ... in this case. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 09:51 PM |
#121 |
 
They can also be thrown for the causes of a just society...as in this case... |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-20-09 10:41 PM |
#134 |
 
... and here come the insults. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 10:42 PM |
#135 |
 
Him and the Democratic Party make two... |
ekwhite |
Jun-20-09 09:32 PM |
#106 |
  
The Democratic Party stands for many, many things. By its nature, ... |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-20-09 10:05 PM |
#127 |
 
The Democratic Party used to stand for many things |
ekwhite |
Jun-21-09 12:46 AM |
#145 |
  
It's also not the same country. |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-21-09 07:16 AM |
#174 |
 
It most certainly is not the same country |
ekwhite |
Jun-21-09 08:07 AM |
#178 |
 
do you *really* think the dems have done all they could & done the |
orleans |
Jun-21-09 03:19 AM |
#162 |
 
I'm supposed to explain why you perceive things differently than I? |
Buzz Clik |
Jun-21-09 07:16 AM |
#173 |
 
Bill Maher is no exception if you pay any attention to the criticism of Obama . .. |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:34 PM |
#107 |
 
Bill made clear what he stands for . . . what do you stand for? |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:39 PM |
#109 |
 
Just because we might not particularly like Mr. Maher doesn't mean he isn't right. |
rhett o rick |
Jun-21-09 12:48 AM |
#147 |

LOL...Moved from the right into mental hospitals ! |
RagAss |
Jun-20-09 07:53 AM |
#4 |

Okay, I actually watched this one |
WeDidIt |
Jun-20-09 07:57 AM |
#6 |

Well.. this week Obama gave more power to the Federal Reserve... |
lib2DaBone |
Jun-20-09 07:57 AM |
#7 |
 
+1 |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jun-20-09 11:32 AM |
#52 |
 
Agree with you . .. and I've been too nauseated to even read the stories on what Obama did . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:40 PM |
#111 |

Headline: Mr. Obvious wakes up after 20 year coma & says "What Happened?" |
laststeamtrain |
Jun-20-09 08:02 AM |
#8 |

Bill is dead-on in this analysis |
Zodiak |
Jun-20-09 08:10 AM |
#10 |

thank GOD someone is saying it out loud!! |
Mari333 |
Jun-20-09 08:46 AM |
#15 |
 
I literally cheered when I heard him say this last night! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 08:57 AM |
#18 |

That's the reaction of those who want truth . . . about wars, MIC, and progressive taxes . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:56 PM |
#124 |

Excellent post but I think you left out another possibility.. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-21-09 08:10 AM |
#179 |

channeling nader circa 2000 and 1999 and 1998 and 1997... |
paulsby |
Jun-20-09 08:53 AM |
#16 |
 
And that is Nader's or MM's fault? |
bvar22 |
Jun-20-09 12:37 PM |
#58 |
  
Bravo!!!! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 12:39 PM |
#59 |
  
Exactly! Spot on! |
Raineyb |
Jun-20-09 12:47 PM |
#61 |
  
of course not |
paulsby |
Jun-20-09 01:56 PM |
#69 |
   
And The Democrats have been busy proving Nader right since 2006. |
bvar22 |
Jun-20-09 04:57 PM |
#86 |
  
yes. |
paulsby |
Jun-20-09 05:34 PM |
#90 |
  
Yes -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:41 PM |
#112 |
  
Exactly |
ekwhite |
Jun-21-09 12:48 AM |
#146 |
 
Nader was correct about everything he said. |
Webster Green |
Jun-21-09 02:45 AM |
#160 |

oh, bull's eye. |
bread_and_roses |
Jun-20-09 08:56 AM |
#17 |

knr |
Mari333 |
Jun-20-09 09:02 AM |
#19 |

who could argue |
mdmc |
Jun-20-09 09:19 AM |
#20 |
 
An apologist. |
H2O Man |
Jun-20-09 09:34 AM |
#21 |

sho'nough |
mdmc |
Jun-20-09 10:12 AM |
#34 |

Become? They've been that for years. |
alarimer |
Jun-20-09 09:37 AM |
#22 |
 
Right on |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-20-09 09:51 AM |
#28 |
 
You know that and I know that but they don't even try to disguise it now. It is Blantant and |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 10:12 AM |
#33 |
 
Yeah I think Maher got the verb tense wrong. n/t |
Raineyb |
Jun-20-09 10:18 AM |
#36 |
 
'especially Obama' |
SammyWinstonJack |
Jun-20-09 11:34 AM |
#53 |

so after six months, bill is reaming the dems?.....fuck off maher |
spanone |
Jun-20-09 09:38 AM |
#23 |
 
No |
edhopper |
Jun-20-09 09:43 AM |
#25 |
 
Maybe if you listened |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-20-09 09:52 AM |
#30 |
 
What have the Democrats done for the "People" in those 6 months? |
Kansas Wyatt |
Jun-20-09 09:55 AM |
#31 |
  
Actually, Yesterday's Republicans were quite a bit to The Left.... |
bvar22 |
Jun-20-09 12:45 PM |
#60 |
 
I wonder what Barry Goldwater would think of his party now? |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 02:48 PM |
#72 |
 
I wonder what LBJ, JFK, and FDR would think of theirs? |
bvar22 |
Jun-20-09 03:58 PM |
#80 |
  
lol! Close your ears! LBJ is cursing away from the grave! |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 04:08 PM |
#81 |
 
Despite his many faults, LBJ was a LEADER,.... |
bvar22 |
Jun-20-09 04:55 PM |
#85 |
 
He also had a great Lieutenant in Hubert Humphrey. They were titans of change when it came to |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 05:40 PM |
#91 |
 
Last I heard he thought the party was too close to the religious right . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:31 PM |
#105 |
 
Thank you again defendandprotect. I have saved the link to read the rest later. I remember |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-21-09 11:15 AM |
#182 |
 
after the "last thirty years" |
G_j |
Jun-20-09 10:33 AM |
#41 |
  
That's what happens when people comment without watching/listening to what is actually said. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 10:35 AM |
#42 |
 
You think the Democrats have been co-opted by corporations for six months?????!!!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:42 PM |
#113 |

He hit it. |
edhopper |
Jun-20-09 09:43 AM |
#24 |
 
The more progressive Dems get no support and are often attacked by their own party. |
glitch |
Jun-20-09 12:16 PM |
#55 |

I agree, |
newspeak |
Jun-20-09 01:07 PM |
#65 |
 
I'm with you |
glitch |
Jun-20-09 04:28 PM |
#84 |

The DLC is running the party . . . the corporate way . . . and evidently Obama, as well -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:43 PM |
#114 |

I don't get cable anymore, so a report would be nice. |
glitch |
Jun-20-09 09:47 PM |
#117 |

Absolutely . . . that's why I didn't watch . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:53 PM |
#122 |

Thank You Bill Maher |
spiritual_gunfighter |
Jun-20-09 09:47 AM |
#26 |

The hardest thing to accept is that they don't even try... |
kentuck |
Jun-20-09 09:52 AM |
#29 |

Nice that someone finally says it where it counts. nt |
LWolf |
Jun-20-09 09:58 AM |
#32 |

k |
Mari333 |
Jun-20-09 10:17 AM |
#35 |

I said that Clinton and Obama were Rethug lite from the very beginning and |
pleah |
Jun-20-09 10:20 AM |
#37 |
 
It isn't just them, it's the majority of the party. A vast majority of House Dems this week |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 10:49 AM |
#44 |

My "hope" is long gone for this party or any other. |
pleah |
Jun-20-09 11:04 AM |
#47 |
 
Frankly, I don't even think most people know what the heck is going on. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 12:53 PM |
#62 |
  
So true. |
pleah |
Jun-20-09 01:23 PM |
#66 |
  
We've been being told for decades of co-option of Democratic Party . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:54 PM |
#123 |
 
"band together and grind this country to a halt?" |
newspeak |
Jun-20-09 01:35 PM |
#68 |

My ex, whom I reside with, just lost his job. He's been a well paid tax accountant for years and |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 02:15 PM |
#70 |

It is worse than that. |
bvar22 |
Jun-20-09 05:03 PM |
#87 |
 
Thanks for enlightening me. My own Rep. John Hall |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 05:55 PM |
#94 |

But, WHY IS THIS A SURPRISE TO ANYONE .... ?? We've known about this for decades--!!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:44 PM |
#115 |

that was sharp! Obama a Socialist? |
G_j |
Jun-20-09 10:31 AM |
#39 |

The way the health care issue is moving now (no public plan) and the several |
AlinPA |
Jun-20-09 10:36 AM |
#43 |

Maher is just speaking the obvious. K&R |
Tierra_y_Libertad |
Jun-20-09 11:19 AM |
#49 |

Doesn't his show usually go on hiatus in May? |
blue_onyx |
Jun-20-09 11:32 AM |
#51 |
 
I think in a week he'll be going on hiatus, but I'm not sure. As to the way |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 12:35 PM |
#57 |

I grew up in those eras |
Raineyb |
Jun-20-09 12:53 PM |
#63 |

How much of the 2008 election was U.S. turning progressive vs. U.S. reacting against Bush? |
troubledamerican |
Jun-20-09 02:42 PM |
#71 |
 
Did you actually watch the video? |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 02:50 PM |
#74 |
  
Yes -- Olive Garden IS dumpster food. |
troubledamerican |
Jun-20-09 03:08 PM |
#77 |
 
The reason why I asked you if you watched the video was that Maher was talking |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-21-09 07:50 AM |
#177 |
 
What "leftward lurch" . . . Obama is mainly over to the right -- !!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:46 PM |
#116 |

The whole show is posted here |
sce56 |
Jun-20-09 02:49 PM |
#73 |
 
Thanks for the link! It was one of the best shows this year. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 02:50 PM |
#75 |

Yeah, even Kucinich is voting |
ProSense |
Jun-20-09 03:32 PM |
#78 |

Bill Maher... Keep Talking For Me!! At Least He's Not Afraid To Say It |
ChiciB1 |
Jun-20-09 05:44 PM |
#92 |

Agree with his Nader and Chomsky quote |
Dramarama |
Jun-20-09 07:10 PM |
#97 |
 
That was a good one. |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-20-09 08:10 PM |
#100 |

Obama fails Maher's purity test? |
boppers |
Jun-20-09 07:21 PM |
#98 |
 
Only if you want to end the wars, have national health care, increase taxes on corporations!!!!! |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:48 PM |
#118 |

That's not enough. |
boppers |
Jun-20-09 09:58 PM |
#125 |

And who's asking for the "purity test" . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 10:04 PM |
#126 |
 
Who's asking for a laundry list to be met? |
boppers |
Jun-20-09 10:26 PM |
#131 |

This is either your "purity test" or a nonsense test . . . |
defendandprotect |
Jun-21-09 12:12 AM |
#143 |

Bill Maher is speaking up for us....O, not so much. kr nt |
ooglymoogly |
Jun-20-09 07:57 PM |
#99 |

K&R |
FLAprogressive |
Jun-20-09 08:32 PM |
#101 |

About time somebody said it out loud |
Chisox08 |
Jun-20-09 09:06 PM |
#102 |

Good to see Maher against the wars, for universal health care, higher taxes on rich -- |
defendandprotect |
Jun-20-09 09:49 PM |
#119 |

He's right on everything except... |
LAGC |
Jun-20-09 11:01 PM |
#141 |
 
That's because he is a "city boy" |
Enthusiast |
Jun-21-09 05:24 AM |
#168 |

Bill fell short |
JamesA1102 |
Jun-21-09 12:51 AM |
#149 |
 
He's had Chomsky, Nader, Sanders, Kucinich and Moore on. |
Touchdown |
Jun-21-09 02:27 AM |
#154 |
  
Well, this is true. |
Enthusiast |
Jun-21-09 05:26 AM |
#170 |
 
Good point. nt |
Enthusiast |
Jun-21-09 05:25 AM |
#169 |

and many of us |
dana_b |
Jun-21-09 01:54 AM |
#151 |

One of the best things Maher has done in a long time. |
BrklynLiberal |
Jun-21-09 02:10 AM |
#152 |

Great job Bill. Too bad Women's Reproductive Health and Privacy didn't make 1st Party wish list. |
omega minimo |
Jun-21-09 02:10 AM |
#153 |
 
Let me guess, Virgo, right? |
Touchdown |
Jun-21-09 02:28 AM |
#155 |

Not quite as vital as legalizing marijuana. |
omega minimo |
Jun-21-09 02:32 AM |
#156 |

You are right about the slight, but the Virgo thing. I do that too. |
Touchdown |
Jun-21-09 02:38 AM |
#159 |

Do you really think that? |
jamesatemple |
Jun-21-09 08:56 AM |
#180 |

I agree |
meowomon |
Jun-21-09 03:44 AM |
#163 |
 
If enough of us did it, it might send a message. |
Enthusiast |
Jun-21-09 05:27 AM |
#171 |

And there is no difference between George W. Bush and Al Gore |
pf99 |
Jun-21-09 07:44 AM |
#176 |

Another strawman being constructed. Did you hear what Maher had to say or are you |
OmmmSweetOmmm |
Jun-21-09 09:24 AM |
#181 |