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SpartanDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 06:23 PM
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13. Obama doesn't believe testing is the end all be all of education
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 06:26 PM by SpartanDem
He's got a question on education at the Green Bay town hall and to me at least his response is the opposite of what she'd saying about his beliefs on education

So here's the bottom line. We've got to improve, we've got to step up our game -- which brings me to the next point in your question, which is, how do we do that? I agree with you that if all we're doing is spreading around a lot of standardized tests and teaching to the test, that's not improving our education system. (Applause.)

There's a saying in Illinois I learned when I was down in a lot of rural communities. They said, "Just weighing a pig doesn't fatten it." (Applause.) You can weigh it all the time, but it's not making the hog fatter. So the point being, if we're all we're doing is testing and then teaching to the test, that doesn't assure that we're actually improving educational outcomes.

We do need to have accountability, however. We do need to measure progress with our kids. Maybe it's just one standardized test, plus portfolios of work that kids are doing, plus observing the classroom. There can be a whole range of assessments, but we do have to have some kind of accountability, number one.



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  -Obama Gives Bush a Third Term in Education LWolf  Jun-14-09 05:51 PM   #0 
  - OK, add education to the list. He's continuing Bush's policies across the board.  timeforpeace   Jun-14-09 05:58 PM   #1 
  - My point?  LWolf   Jun-14-09 06:05 PM   #4 
  - Thanks.  timeforpeace   Jun-14-09 06:08 PM   #6 
  - he`s not in the same league as lbj  madrchsod   Jun-14-09 06:20 PM   #11 
  - All americans do...  Butch350   Jun-14-09 07:20 PM   #25 
  - Welcome to DU. I'm feeling intense buyer's remorse, myself.  Vidar   Jun-15-09 09:37 AM   #39 
  - ..innovation does not come from teaching testing....  madrchsod   Jun-14-09 06:04 PM   #2 
  - Too true. nt  LWolf   Jun-14-09 06:06 PM   #5 
  - Except Obama was a senator. What do senators that governors and mayors do not?  Deja Q   Jun-14-09 06:04 PM   #3 
  - NCLB is the destruction of our future.  Tim01   Jun-14-09 06:15 PM   #7 
  - Better,  LWolf   Jun-14-09 06:17 PM   #8 
     - It looks like the people in charge have no plans of fixing this.  Tim01   Jun-14-09 06:39 PM   #17 
        - It looks that way to me, too.  LWolf   Jun-14-09 06:50 PM   #20 
  - I don't have kids in school and I am not a teacher  undeterred   Jun-14-09 06:18 PM   #9 
  - Or they "get" it,  LWolf   Jun-14-09 06:20 PM   #10 
  - I've got two neices who endured a majority of their public education under NCLB...  DCKit   Jun-14-09 06:36 PM   #16 
     - I can corroborate the "no longer fun or engaging."  LWolf   Jun-14-09 07:48 PM   #31 
  - They want people who don't think critically and so are easily manipulated and paid low.  Metta   Jun-14-09 06:22 PM   #12 
  - You nailed that one.  LWolf   Jun-14-09 06:26 PM   #14 
  - I think it was Russel Means who called  Autumn   Jun-14-09 06:46 PM   #18 
  - I think it's true.  LWolf   Jun-14-09 07:07 PM   #23 
  - yes, on the money. Unless, of course, your family is well to do.  Metta   Jun-14-09 07:29 PM   #28 
  - Yup. Reaching my hand out to you across the distance.  Metta   Jun-14-09 07:28 PM   #27 
  - BINGO! Docile consumers. n/t  QC   Jun-14-09 06:52 PM   #21 
  - yup.  Metta   Jun-14-09 08:23 PM   #32 
  - I do believe you are spot on. nt  ProgressIn2008   Jun-14-09 07:35 PM   #30 
  - Obama doesn't believe testing is the end all be all of education  SpartanDem   Jun-14-09 06:23 PM   #13 
  - Actions speak volumes.  LWolf   Jun-14-09 06:34 PM   #15 
     - I'm not a fan of charter schools,  SpartanDem   Jun-14-09 06:48 PM   #19 
        - Let's talk about that.  LWolf   Jun-14-09 07:04 PM   #22 
           - You make a good point  SpartanDem   Jun-14-09 08:32 PM   #33 
              - Observing a classroom takes money.  roody   Jun-14-09 08:48 PM   #35 
              - All other evaluations, outside of tests that can be bubbled and  LWolf   Jun-15-09 08:52 AM   #38 
  - Obama also needs to stop all the random drug testing going on in schools - much of it funded by DOE  kath   Jun-14-09 07:10 PM   #24 
  - Has Obama lost it? Or just doesn't have it yet?  keep_it_real   Jun-14-09 07:26 PM   #26 
  - Or never had it. n/t  QC   Jun-14-09 08:36 PM   #34 
  - K&R  G_j   Jun-14-09 07:31 PM   #29 
  - We Need a Totally Different Approach  Sensible321   Jun-14-09 10:02 PM   #36 
  - I'm familiar with Gatto.  LWolf   Jun-15-09 08:27 AM   #37 
     - What If Any Accredited School Had To Pay Prevailing Wage  Sensible321   Jun-15-09 10:49 AM   #40 
        - The point of funding only public schools  LWolf   Jun-15-09 11:15 AM   #41 
           - I Would Like to Get Rid of that Oversight  Sensible321   Jun-15-09 04:12 PM   #42 
              - I agree that many districts are too large.  LWolf   Jun-15-09 04:27 PM   #43 
  - More Forever War, billions to bankers, and NCLB continued. FDR, eat your heart out.  Karmadillo   Jun-15-09 09:11 PM   #44 
 

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